Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

Does Terminator have APS ?

No, but it does have a flat turret that does not offer much of a target for enemy anti armour weapons where the crew sit... making it very well protected without needing tons of heavy armour to make it so.

Wonder if they might be testing the new air burst 30mm cannon shells...

What army did he serve in lol?. I'm in an army and have been in one since 2013. He's arguing that a mosin with iron sights is superior to an AK with iron sights. There is no universe where that makes sense, and that's why armies generally issue assault rifles as standard issue weapons and abandoned bolt action rifles after WW2.

The west has stuck with bolt action sniper rifles for quite some time, and the Russians introduced both the SV-98 bolt action rifle but also the SV-99 manually operated rifle for urban combat.

In fact during the 1980s Soldier of Fortune magazine took great pride in claiming Muj armed with 303s were defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Soldiers who have a weeks training as a soldier might be better off being armed with the weapon of a hunter and to operate like a hunter even on a modern battlefield.

I have used bolt action rifles and semi auto rifles for hunting and I know when there is a group of animals that need to be killed that the semi auto works best, but that is not to say I would give that definitive support... if those goats had assault rifles too I would want to be shooting from rather further away... a bit like the Afghans in Afghanistan were using SVDs and PKMs to shoot at HATO forces outside the range of assault rifles... obviously the terrain makes that rather easier of course.

I don't think anyone is advocating all soldiers be equipped with bolt action rifles, but as mentioned... you give young people a full auto assault rifle it is not going to be hard for a hunter to find them as they open fire at everything and anything so locating them wont be a problem even at long range.

"Cadets" aren't going to really be effective shooting at enemies (again, that are firing back) 400-800 meters away

Cadets are not likely to be effective at any distance... most of these orcs wont even fire a shot in combat before the artillery or air power gets them.

Think you are missing what a cadet is...

What Russia lost is the COST. Lets face it, whatever the outcome of this war, its HUGELY costly, and Russia does not have a captive reserve currency like the USA in order pay for this shit show

The cost is nothing compared with the cost of doing nothing.... how long before bio weapons start to appear that target Russians only... just after Covid is a good time to take this heat from the west... leaving it longer would just mean they would be better prepared.

Putin was too weak on his call, he should have told the Finnish President that joining NATO makes Finland a direct threat to Russia that Russia will have to consider how to deal with, and that no options are off the table.

I suspect the final result of Finland joining HATO is closing of the Russian border with Finland to all trade and traffic and lots of tactical nukes pointed at the new US vassals... they are hardly going to invade... there would be no point.

Finland doesn't want to play then that is Finlands choice... Russias mom can make Finlands mom bully them into playing with Russia just because they are neighbours.

Finland only becomes a threat to Russia when US troops arrive but US troops can be dealt with without having to post the same number of Russian soldiers to oppose them?

Make it clear that any fighting with a HATO country will rapidly become nuclear bccause any attacks on Russia from HATO territory will result in missile strikes on Brussels and the US of A as well as strikes on the forces actually attacking whether they are from Poland or Finland or Spain.

We cannot compromise with Europe

You are about to close your borders to Europe and turn to the rest of the world... if they move missiles to your border then artillery and missiles with tactical nuclear payloads will defeat anything the can direct at you... their nuclear bombs require aircraft to fly them to their delivery point... have you noticed how keen they are to join in directly in Ukraine?

But how can you disregard Finland if they begin to pose a threat to the border?

They have been cooperating with HATO for decades... the only thing that has changed is that they get to wear the badge... and of course the US now controls their foreign policy on everything...

Ah these comments about how easy it would be to knock out finland etc, Armchair Generals at their finest no clue about war but pretend they know how to wage and knock out an entire country lol if only war was that easy and simple

They don't need to knock it out... it is not relevant. If an attack comes from Finland then the attacking force will be nuked along with the HQs that issued the orders... whether that is Brussels or Washington... all for one and one for all... which is why the US is going to move troops and missiles there but will be very careful otherwise.

These statements by these Polish politicians mean nothing. They're worried about Russia winning in the Ukraine, so they try to distract it. That's the long and short of it.

Worried... they are shitting themselves.

If ever Finland does become an official NATzO member, there is no other choice but to have it along with the Baltic chihuahua artificial states liberated and absorbed into the Russian federation.

If there are Russians in those places who feel abused, then they are living in the west... the ultimate abuser... of course they should be oppressed.... that is what the west does... if they don't like it I am sure they can get Russian citizenship and move to Russia to escape the hell.

Not Russias problem to fix their neighbours that are no actual threat...

How to deal with Finland? Well any battle plan has to keep the Winter War and its still important lessons in mind. Don't attack all along the frontier. Follow Shapashnikov and Timoshenko's February offensive, attack on a narrow front as most of Finland's important government and military stuff is along the country's south and use airstrikes to take out airforce bases in the rest of the country and the war is over in a couple weeks.

Why attack at all?

The best way to treat them is as adults that can make their own choices... and choosing to be meatshield cannon fodder for the US and its war against Russia is their choice to make... will be funny when their US ambassador starts telling them their foreign policies like the American Ambassador to Germany does...

The reality is, Russia is already at war with NATO and not taking this seriously. All these people are not taking the threat of nuclear war and its danger seriously, therefore the deterrent value of nuclear weapons is declining dangerously. A harsh reminder needs to be issued or we are all in peril.

HATO currently thinks it is fun because it is not costing them anything except old surplus weapons... when Russia pivots away from the west and stops trading with them then things will start to sink in... but maybe not... who cares... not Russias problem.

The idiots in Finland are just commiting economic suicide...so let them do this if they want so hard! You know the saying..."never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake!"

The same suicide Ukraine committed when it cut off its economy to Russia... but what can you say...

“Russia’s war in Ukraine is not going as Moscow had planned. They failed to take Kiev. They are pulling back from around Kharkiv, their major offensive in the Donbass has stalled. Russia is not achieving its strategic objectives,” Stoltenberg said.

They didn't try to take Kiev, and for strategic objectives.... they have you squealing like a stuck pig so there is that objective ticked off quite nicely.

Pretty sure they didn't plan to slaughter this many of their neighbours boys but HATO is tying their hands... literally in some cases...

Motivate the Ukrainians to keep dying... how does this help HATO... maybe that is the plan... get rid of Ukrainians and Russians... much like the plan for Asia is to get rid of Indians and Chinese in some pointless conflict...

Stoltenberg is a

Wow, all of that text because the cheap mass-produced model airplane that is the Orlan-10 has cheap off-the-shelf electronics and doesn't come with space lasers installed.

Yeah... Vann be a big stupid... obviously having million dollar custom electronics would be much better for Russia than using cheap off the shelf stuff that is easy to get and cheap... and the key is that it is all Putins fault... absolutely everything... trip and stub your toe... you were probably thinking about Putin and he made you do it...

The head of the NATOstani sock puppets is increasingly chanelling Baghdad Bob these days... Razz Maybe Stolty needs to get together with his predecessor (Fogh-of-War Rassmussen) and they can do a little duet? Too late for Eurofagvision, and Ukropisstain was always designated as the winner, but the show must go on

Well he can't admit the truth... the western propaganda machine has been telling the world the Russians are losing and are on the edge of collapse, and the cost is going to break them too...

3. U.S. specialists tested new drugs in the Ukraine biolabs in circumvention of international safety standards. According to Kirillov, acting this way “Western companies seriously reduce the costs of research programs and gain significant competitive advantages.”

Using Ukrainians as guinea pigs... Orc pigs?

Don't see why Orlan can't be made even cheaper, those cameras look expensive, and better to get a cheap Chinese knockoff instead. Other than that, it's an expendable recon drone, sometimes it's used as bait to draw out AA teams as well before covering them with artillery.

A cheap shitty camera can ruin a drone... all the very early Russian drones suffered because they had cheap simple cameras and no stabilisation so you really couldn't see what they saw when you were operating them, so they bought Israeli drones which had much better cameras and much more mature and sophisticated software and control equipment...

Anyone can make a drone body and motors are not that hard either, but a flight control system and optics is what makes or breaks a drone... which might have to work 500 times so a good camera makes a difference... in peace time you will be using them over and over... it is only during war you might go through a few thousand.

As for the rest of Vann's post, I dare not view it in any detail, but I do like the idea of using aerostats with radars deployed along the border. Have them a dozen KMs in and they'll still be able to spot anything on approach from a long distance.

The fact that Russia has already sold such systems to China suggests they already have that... and of course they have a wide range of radar both mobile and static around their borders already.

[quote]Waste of time, Civilians operating Javelins and T-14 deployed to Ukraine were peak stupidity of this video[/quoet]

The facts of the matter is that no tank is 100% safe from everything and no enemy force will trying to penetrate a tank from the front where its armour is thickest and being a T-14 matters.

Wherever possible they will try to hit it from the side or rear in which case what sort of difference does it make whether it is an upgraded T-72 or T-90 or T-14?

I honestly think this should be a banable offense for posting something so ridiculously bad.

There are no super weapons that cannot be destroyed on the battlefield.... except the KV-1 in the Winter War... but that is not to say one could not have been destroyed by driving over a mine or a frozen lake that does not support its weight...

They are all useless if they can be destroyed is the view of a child.

If however Finland is not actually a threat then Russia should carry on as usual (Finland has been acting like NATO in all but name for years and Russia wasn't doing anything big over it)

Finland isn't a threat... they are just shitting themselves that Ukraines tactics are not working and it is being ground up with a relatively small force.

What I don't understand is why they think HATO membership could save them.

and that was my idea , which by the way i posted many years ago , when told the truth

Those Russian aerostats predate any mention from you...

But now if they join NATO they will be doing the bidding of the US to confront Russia, and breaking their peace treaty obligation to be neutral. Does Russia just say MEH? Perhaps Russia should just get out and say they will plan for a special militray operation to counter Finnish actions.

Losing their independence and becoming a vassal state of the US is probably punishment enough.

Finland is a loyal US client state but it's not a total tool, it has not acted belligerently in any way towards Russia thus far and there is simply no evidence that they would switch to Ukraine-style retardation or even just Lithuania/Poland-style retardation if they join NATO. Likely, nothing much will change.

Will be interesting to see if the US wants to activate its new tool, and how Finland will respond...

I'm not really a fan of it tho compared to dismounted infantry, but we will see how it fare.

Rather more bullet resistent than dismounted infantry... and the firepower it carries would be impressive against troops in the open... and as much of the Orc army is now walking that is what they will be fighting.

The Russian military are negotiating at Azovstal, the DPR said 16.05.2022.

DPR brigade commander Khodakovsky said that the Russian military are negotiating at Azovstal.

MOSCOW, May 16 - RIA Novosti. The Russian military are negotiating with the Ukrainian side on the territory of Azovstal, said Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok Brigade of the DPR.

"Now a lively stage of negotiations is underway ... As it turned out, the group went out to represent the interests of a larger group that continues to be at Azovstal. Several of our servicemen, officers, along with the group that came out of the tunnel with white flags, went back with this as a group into the tunnel to conduct the negotiation process. We do not yet know the results of the negotiation process at the moment," Khodakovsky said on the air of the Rossiya 1 channel.

He specified that a group of nine Ukrainian soldiers came out of one of the tunnels leading to the territory of Azovstal. "After we blocked areas that were significant for the enemy, the enemy found himself in a hopeless situation," Khodakovsky added.

The official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry , Igor Konashenkov , announced on April 16 that the entire urban area of ​​Mariupol had been cleared of the Ukrainian army, foreign mercenaries and neo-Nazis from the Azov regiment (against whose militants a criminal case was initiated in Russia) . The remnants of the Ukrainian group are blocked at the Azovstal metallurgical plant.

https://ria.ru/20220516/azovstal-1788773820.html

sepheronx wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Isos wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine can defeat Russia – NATO

Secretary General believes that Russian military operation in Ukraine is not going the way it was planned

Speaking to the reporters after informal meetings of the military bloc’s foreign ministers, Stoltenberg revealed that the main topics of the discussions were “strong support for Ukraine, the further strengthening of NATO’s deterrence and defense, and the longer-term implications of the war,” including the alliance’s future stance towards Russia.

“Russia’s war in Ukraine is not going as Moscow had planned. They failed to take Kiev. They are pulling back from around Kharkiv, their major offensive in the Donbass has stalled. Russia is not achieving its strategic objectives,” Stoltenberg said.

So this meant for average hohol warrior, I guess that they want them to keep fighting

Nonetheless it probably means VSU will not surrender anytime soon

I don't think even if Ukraine suffered 100k casualties that they would give up and that's saying something

Yeah Stoltenberg is really famous for its books about military strategies and its background in military.

Wait... no he isn't actually. He is just famous for his ability to swollow US spermatozoids.

Stoltenberg as far as I am aware was never a soldier but a pencil pusher his entire career.

What's funnier is that Polish clown who was saying that NATO will conquer St. Petersburg

I don't get it. Who are they talking to? Who is this garbage intended to be heard and believed by?

Is this yet more psychological warfare? Are they counting on Russians getting spooked? It's not going to work.

Good question.  I am unsure who its for because that doesn't spook the Russians.  Simply because Russians is one of the few with nuclear weapons that can wipe out all those nations off of the face of the earth.

Is it for internal consumption?  I dunno if Polish people are that dumb to believe it (Alamo will have to be the one to tell us if his fellow compatriots believe it or not).
Is it for NATO states themselves? They already drank the coolaid and does nothing to repeat nonsense
Is it bravado to make oneself look strong? Probably but to who?

There is a lot of nonsense and there may be a form of delusion that these people truly believe what they are saying.  I mean, they would get a wake up call if they tried but it is always bravado of these suits to say such stuff but they are brought down a peg by military commanders who tell them that their actions would start WWIII and that it could turn nuclear hot.

The sad answer is: they believe their own shit.

They created a propaganda system over the span of decades, fed it with billions of $. First it was created to control the pupblic but with the standard
for "leaders" in the west getting lower and lower by the year there came the time when the monster got out of control. Now you got the Bidens, Johnsons,
Stoltenbergs and von der Leyens believing every word.

ALAMO wrote:

mnztr wrote:
But now if they join NATO they will be doing the bidding of the US to confront Russia, and breaking their peace treaty obligation to be neutral. Does Russia just say MEH? Perhaps Russia should just get out and say they will plan for a special militray operation to counter Finnish actions.

Hey men, I will tell you a secret!
They ARE in NATO, de facto.
A whole chain of command is compatible with NATO standards, communication is standardized.
Weaponry is standardized.
They participate in any major NATO training event, including - of course - Baltops. They share their own airbases, airspace, and territorial waters any moment NATO asks. NATO recon planes are flying along their coast wherever they want, passing the airspace at any location they want. Their recon ships are shadowing any Russian activity in the Baltics, transferring all the data down to the NATO decision centers just like any other NATO member.
There is only one difference, that is a de iure membership, that put them under NATO collective protection.
What makes them a perfect candidate for being a proxy, as Finland is fully capable to block the Russkies in the Peter for good.
If I would have been a Russian decisionmaker, accepting them both into NATO as a formal event would have been my wet dream, as that blocks the possibility of them being used as proxies, and changes perfectly nothing on the scale. The Swedes won't be so trigger happy searching for Russian submarines, as they used to be for decades.
Russia will soon reach the Romanian border, moving 500+km closer to London. US missile infrastructure located at 57th Airbase will be in range of Iskander and Bastion, making it just a nice target rather than a serious threat. They have reached deep into Europe, and will drastically change it's strategic location.
I would say, that Russia will gain a very big strategic advantage, even if they will just stick to the seacoast. A formal accession of two small Scandinavian members is a gain for Russia, too.
Sure they will bark as mad, because they can, and that is a part of political agenda for own population - but in real, they pray for that.
Just the same way as in real they would be crazy happy if Poland would be stupid enough to occupy the western Ukraine.

Sweden can no longer play the "neutral" card. Remember the incident with the south-korean ship that sunk a few years ago? The west wanted to blame North-Korea and send some "experts" from the US, Canada, Australia... and "neutral" Sweden. Because fit always looks good if you invite a "neutral" state. The Swedes would never back blindly what the americans say because they´re "neutral".
Gone.
But I doubt that the geniuses in Washington and Brussels know that they lost an asset (at least to fool the public and some random 3rd world country).

Ukro 2S7 after an air strike

Borisoglebsk-2 (?)