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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed May 18, 2022 8:40 pm

    Putin wont be annexing anything... the nazis and banderites will be removed and the rest can vote their own future with a range of very specific options put before them if they want peace...Putin is still saying he wants a denazified demilitarised neighbour... if they want their own independence he will not demand they join the RF, ..but it sounds rather like the people of the south and east didn't enjoy the nazis from the west of the country and their games and bs, and they might decide to join the RF themselves. ..but it will be their choice..
    how naive! He will make sure the voters r in favor of joining the RF, if there is a referendum. The Cherson area may get just annexed w/o any such "ceremonies". "Denazification" is needed, but it's being used as a convinient excuse, as was GWOT in the ME, to grab & plunder Ukraine by Russian oligarchs & restore the strategic depth of the post Soviet European Russia.  
    No time limit on this job... getting it right is important... you should be pleased nazis are being removed from your home country...
    I'm pleased that Ukr. nationaists, not just the neonazis r being removed & hope that after this is over the conditions become better than ever before, not just in 'former Ukraine" but in the RF too. Beria's GULAG Kolyma camps system defeated Himmler's Oswenzim et al; the USSR's victory in WWII didn't change conditions there untill Stalin's death in 1953. Time will tell!  
    EU Set to Approve New Military Aid for Ukraine
    Macron Tells Zelensky: French Arms Deliveries to Ukraine Will Intensify

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    https://youtu.be/o46WxsO_7gM  

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    Post  Arrow Wed May 18, 2022 8:57 pm

    Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant will work for Russia – Russian Deputy Prime Minister Khusnullin.
    This power plant has almost 6,000MW of power.

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    Post  Isos Wed May 18, 2022 9:00 pm

    EU Set to Approve New Military Aid for Ukraine
    Macron Tells Zelensky: French Arms Deliveries to Ukraine Will Intensify

    He can't atm french army let alone ukrainian one to fight Russia. Another sign to give up for Ukraine.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 18, 2022 9:04 pm

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    3 cauldrons are forming around severodonetsk, Svetlodarsk, and Slavyansk/kramatorsk

    After the demise of mariupol and azov

    The VSU is facing annihilation in the donetsk pockets

    Then Russia can move virtually unopposed to Odessa, Kiev, Kharkov and other cities

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    Post  sepheronx Wed May 18, 2022 9:09 pm

    Isos wrote:
    EU Set to Approve New Military Aid for Ukraine
    Macron Tells Zelensky: French Arms Deliveries to Ukraine Will Intensify

    He can't atm french army let alone ukrainian one to fight Russia. Another sign to give up for Ukraine.

    I am unsure on this comment. Is it that France has no ability to arm Ukraine due to lack of weapons for French Army or is it because of finances?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 18, 2022 9:11 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡965 for May 17 and 785 for today. Total - 1750 prisoners in 2 days from Azovstal

    Wow all azovstal surrendered

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed May 18, 2022 9:21 pm

    Russia making significant gains on all fronts now. Multiple kessels forming, several UA groupings are surrendering (though at least one was shot in the back by a blocking detachment).

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 18, 2022 9:26 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Russia making significant gains on all fronts now. Multiple kessels forming, several UA groupings are surrendering (though at least one was shot in the back by a blocking detachment).


    The game is over

    They write on blogs that false flag could be coming ,

    To distract from the disaster and the collapse of Ukrainian army

    We will see what they will do

    The US and UK will fight to the last Ukrainian, and are scared to lose this chip against Russia

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    Post  franco Wed May 18, 2022 9:43 pm

    The composition of the Ukrainian military grouping in the northern part of Donbass.

    In the Severodonetsk-Lisichansk operational cauldron (all numbers approximate):

    Severodonetsk: ~ 2,000 troops
    Gorskoye-Zolotoye: up to 3,000 troops
    Lisichansk: up to 10,000 troops
    for a total of ~ 15,000 troops

    On the Svetlodarsk Arc and in Avdeevka/Vasilyevka:

    Svetlodarsk: at least 2,000 troops
    Avdeevka stronghold: ~ 4,000 troops

    Ukrainian command is attempting to further reinforce them with territorial defence (volkssturm) units.

    Slavyangrad - Gleb Bazov

    https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad

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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed May 18, 2022 10:02 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡965 for May 17 and 785 for today.  Total - 1750 prisoners in 2 days from Azovstal

    Wow all azovstal surrendered

    No you can't say that, they are just "completing their combat deployment and now being evacuated" Laughing

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    Post  Ispan Wed May 18, 2022 10:06 pm

    Detailed briefing for yesterday and today, lots of maps

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/18/noticias-de-la-guerra-18-05-2022/

    The Severodonetsk triangle, from Gleb Bazov Telegram, he posts in english so you can read it there, it was so interesting I put it in a single post

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/18/la-importancia-del-triangulo-severodonetsk-lisichansk-rubezhnoye/

    For those interested, I translated with some effort this entry about the need for Automatic Control Systems for artillery

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/18/el-control-automatizado-del-tiro-de-artilleria/


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    Post  caveat emptor Wed May 18, 2022 10:08 pm

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/49339

    Ukrainian sources report the death of the first foreign mercenary pilot. It is known that he was a citizen of one of the Baltic countries, and piloted the Su-25 attack aircraft. The command of the "reinforced forces" considered him as one of the most experienced (perhaps not without reason), able to set an example for young pilots. However, he, like most other Ukrainian pilots, made only one sortie - the first and last. He never managed to reach the line of attack - he was shot down on approach. Since the flight took place at very low altitude, he could not successfully eject.
    It is noteworthy that the flight crew of the Ukrainian Air Force explains his death by the fact that he was sent on a mission that was obviously impossible. And, as if, after his death, the number of refuseniks (servicemen that deny to follow orders) increased both among mercenaries and among Ukrainian pilots. @WarDonbass

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    Post  Hole Wed May 18, 2022 10:13 pm

    franco wrote:The composition of the Ukrainian military grouping in the northern part of Donbass.

    In the Severodonetsk-Lisichansk operational cauldron (all numbers approximate):

    Severodonetsk: ~ 2,000 troops
    Gorskoye-Zolotoye: up to 3,000 troops
    Lisichansk: up to 10,000 troops
    for a total of ~ 15,000 troops

    On the Svetlodarsk Arc and in Avdeevka/Vasilyevka:

    Svetlodarsk: at least 2,000 troops
    Avdeevka stronghold: ~ 4,000 troops

    Ukrainian command is attempting to further reinforce them with territorial defence (volkssturm) units.

    Slavyangrad - Gleb Bazov

    https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad

    Please stand in line before jumping into the meat grinder.

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    Post  Hole Wed May 18, 2022 10:16 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16  - Page 25 Word-i10

    3 cauldrons are forming around severodonetsk, Svetlodarsk, and Slavyansk/kramatorsk

    After the demise of mariupol and azov

    The VSU is facing annihilation in the donetsk pockets

    Then Russia can move virtually unopposed to Odessa, Kiev, Kharkov and other cities


    Not unopposed but the firepower and quality gap will be so huge that we will pass the 30:1 attrition ratio. Whole batallions of Volkssturm will be killed for every russian KIA.

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    Post  Urluber Wed May 18, 2022 10:17 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:https://t.me/boris_rozhin/49339

    Ukrainian sources report the death of the first foreign mercenary pilot.  It is known that he was a citizen of one of the Baltic countries, and piloted the Su-25 attack aircraft.  The command of the "reinforced forces" considered him as one of the most experienced (perhaps not without reason), able to set an example for young pilots.  However, he, like most other Ukrainian pilots, made only one sortie - the first and last.  He never managed to reach the line of attack - he was shot down on approach.  Since the flight took place at very low altitude, he could not successfully eject.
    It is noteworthy that the flight crew of the Ukrainian Air Force explains his death by the fact that he was sent on a mission that was obviously impossible.  And, as if, after his death, the number of refuseniks (servicemen that deny to follow orders) increased both among mercenaries and among Ukrainian pilots.  @WarDonbass

    Must have been quite old pilot.
    I think there has not been an air force in any of Baltic states since the Soviet times. I know natzos have four planes there though (what a stunt of propaganda in itself btw).

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    Post  Hole Wed May 18, 2022 10:28 pm

    I´m coming back to the western supplies issue. I would say that some 50% is destroyed shortly after arrival,
    25% on the way to the frontlines and the rest makes it. This is not much.

    I mentioned it before, I would like to see more destruction of stuff after it was brought to the east. In that
    instance the regime is wasting much more ressources for nothing. Manpower. Transports. Fuel. You name it.

    Back in those days as I received my basic military training, they told us that it´s much better to injure an enemy
    then to kill him. If he dies at the spot, his buddies take his ID and burry him. If there is time. If he is wounded, they
    have to give him first aid, call in a medevac unit and later he has to be given care in an field hospital. This needs a
    lot of ressources.

    The same with weapons that are transported trough the whole country and then destroyed before they can be used.
    Or captured, what´s even worse.

    The whole story with the M777 howitzers shows that Russia is ahead of the game. One day the Ukros post a picture
    with a gun for propaganda purposes, the next day the first gun is captured. Two days later a whole battery is destroyed,
    all filmed by a drone. That tells you that the Russian Armed Forces know exactly where those weapons are.

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    Post  Vann7 Wed May 18, 2022 11:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
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    Video above illustrate the quality strikes problems with russia drones in ukraine ,they using unguided bombs and missing their targets a lot in ukraine. in the last link ,they missed to hit an american artillery .  russia desperately to produce a lot more precision strikes drones in very big numbers .
    of the like of orion and sirius.  plus mass produce thousands of kamikazy drones.  in the video above
    russia airforce not only missed the american artillery , but also its operators got the chance to run in the other direction.  Rolling Eyes    killing an operator of artillery is a big deal , this are people that takes months to train in the use of  artillery..

    They didn't miss, from that distance any crew would have been killed and the piece itself likely would have been rendered inoperable


    not really , if you look carefully the people walking in one direction, did not fall death on floor , they began to move in the opposite direction of the drone failed strike.  clear signal that they were alive and started to run away. and this small drones do not have enough explosive power to disable a very strong iron-steel artillery tube , from such distance.  but to be fair this kamikazi drones could be human operated by control remote , so it  could be an operator mistake , that did not have a lot of experience using them.  Still it shows , how one of the major set backs of russian army , in the conflict is proper use of drones and lack of ultra precision bombing , which is what is required to easily defeat those soldiers in trenches.

    also russia could benefit from fragmentation artillery shells tech or tank shells , that explode in the air 10 meters above their targets , similar to world war 2 anti air artillery munitions ,but configured for striking soldiers intrenches. something like a long range 2S4 Tyulpan mortar artillery but that its munition explode 1 second or half a second before it hit the ground. That will allow to always hit soldiers inside the trench , if it explode at the ideal distance above their heads. Tactics of russia military have been using in first 3 months are simply from poor to inadequate ,and too slow for the defensive tactics of ukraine military. and is delaying significantly russia advance for not using the correct tactics.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed May 18, 2022 11:50 pm

    Updates on new Ukr. POWs: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/18/ukraine-mariupol-fighters-swap-russia-prisoner/

    https://161.ru/text/politics/2022/05/18/71339699/

    https://ura.news/news/1052554396
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 18, 2022 11:55 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Biden just signed an order for 300 troops into Somalia.
    His memory must suck, really.

    Ridley Scott is too old for this shit...



    ALAMO wrote:
    MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:Meanwhile Zelensky: "The evacuation mission from Azovstal continues. It is led by our military and intelligence officers."
    Haha

    I am seriously worried for that guy. You can't go far with this much cocaine.

    We are way past cocane at this point, this is finest North Korean crystal meth



    Hole wrote:...Gonzalo Lira claimed that the Russians making the war boring. No big news, just slowly blowing the shit out of the Nazis. The american puplic is loosing their interest.
    If this were a Netflix show it would be canceled next week. Very Happy

    Considering how well Netflix is doing lately it would have been cancelled last week


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    Post  caveat emptor Thu May 19, 2022 12:00 am

    Urluber wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:https://t.me/boris_rozhin/49339

    Ukrainian sources report the death of the first foreign mercenary pilot.  It is known that he was a citizen of one of the Baltic countries, and piloted the Su-25 attack aircraft.  The command of the "reinforced forces" considered him as one of the most experienced (perhaps not without reason), able to set an example for young pilots.  However, he, like most other Ukrainian pilots, made only one sortie - the first and last.  He never managed to reach the line of attack - he was shot down on approach.  Since the flight took place at very low altitude, he could not successfully eject.
    It is noteworthy that the flight crew of the Ukrainian Air Force explains his death by the fact that he was sent on a mission that was obviously impossible.  And, as if, after his death, the number of refuseniks (servicemen that deny to follow orders) increased both among mercenaries and among Ukrainian pilots.  @WarDonbass

    Must have been quite old pilot.
    I think there has not been an air force in any of Baltic states since the Soviet times. I know natzos have four planes there though (what a stunt of propaganda in itself btw).
    Probably. He might be even Ukrainian that lived there. Many of them used to be guns for hire in the 90's.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 19, 2022 12:07 am

    Hole wrote:.....
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16  - Page 25 Scree297
    Seems to be the barracks hit yesterday.

    That's precisely the kind of asses that needs slapping 24/7 more of this please thumbsup

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    Post  Firebird Thu May 19, 2022 12:11 am

    sepheronx wrote:
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    flamming_python wrote:I could care less about the smelly gangrene mutants from the Azovstal catacombs to be honest
    Russia is treating them with more respect than they deserve. They've even taken the piss, portraying the whole thing as an 'evacuation'.
    They took the civilian population captive as shields, fortified a city whose population does not want them to be here, tied down Russian forces, and played this morale boost role in prolonging the war.
    And now this 'no filming' condition. What?

    Russia should declare the thermobaric blasting of the whole place in 24h, with the only acceptable means of salvation being to crawl out of there on whatever limbs are intact. And if foreign mercs want to stay down there to avoid being filmed - fine, they can savour the high-temperature smell of fuel-air explosives.

    By all means of course treat ordinary Ukrainian soldiers who surrender like normal people and in a timely manner elsewhere in the Ukraine - with all due decency and medical assistance if required.

    As much as I wanted to see that whole shit place FOAB'ed the entire scenario would have been not in favor for reasons like LNR and DNR putting to trial the Nazis and ultra Ukro-Orcs.

    Taking them hostage for the legal denazification will add only wonders for LNR and DNR being more actively accepted as souvereign countries and on top of that can be shown like trophies to the world of the "non existent Nazis" in Kokaina.

    Ultimately it is a propaganda move with far greater consequences than a FOAB as it will be going to history books and be just one huge coffin nail in the Empire of Lies who fought for the "Good".

    No Azovites will be exchanged as POWs but the Russians should agree to exchange Azov POWs against their own and meet up, but coming with average VSU soldiers. They can't know each Azovite by face and will exchange them for their supposedly Azov guys. But no Nazi should ever be exchanged but be openly trialed by LNR/DNR with death penalty.

    Hell the Germans were prosecuting some 90+ year old gardeners from some people who were not even confirmed to be ever in SS. Russia needs to denazify for the next 3 generations until all of them are dead along with the slogan of Salo Kokaine and all the other nationalistic views.

    Anyone who was and is actively rewriting history, like the Ukrainians get thought in school, that all human species came from the Ukrainians with their 140.000 history of high-elf civilization must be seen as a form of systematic Nazi collaborators and must face death penalty as the Gardner of some alleged SS-Soldier.

    Kokaina seized to exist, they just didn't get the message, yet. It was about time.

    My hopes or prognoses are, that Kokaina will be eventually gone from the map by end of this decade and by 2035 or preferably prior Belarus will hold a referendum to join Russia.

    Kazakhstan will be the next Kokaina project and Russia is losing their sphere of influence there.
    The Turks have successfully established for some years now a "Pan-turkish" sphere of influence. The nationalistic sentiment of Kazakhs against russians is growing and will be exploding within the next few years if Russia does not intervene with Kazahkstan's government.

    With the turkish influence among the Turk*& *stan countries and Russia getting bigger by swollowing its old territories they might get more afraid and nationalism will increase and this vast territory with huge resources will go in Turkish hands.

    I don't see much of Russia doing work in this regard. We will have something similiar next decade if we are unlucky.

    Turkey tried but got its ass handed to it in Kazakhstan.  China was pissed about that too regarding what Turkey tried.  The Russians are well aware and has done its action in Kazakhstan simply because of what Nazarbyev tried. Tokayev is the leader now and the guy who pushed the Turkish style nationalism in Kazakhstan.  He is now out of the country.  And in response Kazakhstan is holding a permanent CSTO mission in Moscow.

    Azerbaijan is the biggest obstacle now and even they aren't interested in passing the Russians off.

    Turkey won't have just Russia to worry about but also China too which is something Turkey should really be worried about as well.

    That little cocksucker Terdogan really needs his wings clipped.
    If not for Russia, he'd literally be splattered over a pavement now... thanks to Uncle Sham.

    Turkey could lose a third of its population in an instant if Russia decided to help the Kurds.
    Terdogan needs to stop thinking about "empire" and start realising and acknowledging what he is. An oily, duplicitious piece of shit, running a shady country with an unhealthily high proportion of ISlamists, cockroaches and other loudmouth wannabees.

    Russia needs to get control of Kazakstan now. Not 10 yrs time when terrorists, Turks and Yanks have turned it into a real problem. A union between Russia, Belarus, the mini republics, the useable parts of Hohol-land AND Kazakstan would be very powerful. It would end a lot of worries for Russia, and all parts could prosper due to synergy, common culture and common economic principles.

    Russia could have sorted the Ukraine easily 8 or 10 yrs ago. Now the job will still be done, but not as quickly. A lesson there for Kazakstan. Does Kazakstan want a war?

    Russia will always have Uncle Satan and co badmouthing it. So why worry what the demonic part of the World thinks?

    PS I remember about 10 yrs ago kazakstan's president said the suffix "stan" was holding it back. Because he reckoned it wasn't a "central Asian" type of place economically and culturally but a "dynamic and forward place". At least in his view.

    I wonder then whether a properly Russian integrated Kazakstan should have a new name... like "Kazakrus" or even "Kozakrus". After all, Kazakstan is an entirely artificial country - like Hohol-land. Alternatively, I think a new Soviet Union is a possible name for the Eurasian Union in the future.

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    Post  Isos Thu May 19, 2022 12:19 am

    sepheronx wrote:
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    EU Set to Approve New Military Aid for Ukraine
    Macron Tells Zelensky: French Arms Deliveries to Ukraine Will Intensify

    He can't atm french army let alone ukrainian one to fight Russia. Another sign to give up for Ukraine.

    I am unsure on this comment.  Is it that France has no ability to arm Ukraine due to lack of weapons for French Army or is it because of finances?


    All. French soldiers generally buy their gear with their own money because what the army gives them is shitty.

    The finances are very low also. The number of hardware available is really small. There are open source data and you can see they bought only small quantity of everything. Very low number of tanks, of missiles... pretty much everything is bought in very low numbers. So it's funny that Macron says he will give Ukraine weapons.

    Forbe exemple Russia used 1000 cruise missiles the first week. French stock of Scalp is something like 350 for air force and 50 for the aircraft carrier.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 19, 2022 12:33 am

    Erdogan is more useful to Russia in power than out of power

    Under him, Turkey plays its own game. Which can be against Russia's interests here or there. It can be irritating. Just as it can be irritating for the US too. But would you rather that Turkey was an absolute puppet of Washington instead like the rest of Europe?

    As for Kazakhstan, I remember someone conducted interviews in Almaty a few weeks after the war between Russia and Ukraine kicked off. Basically the reaction of the average person on the street there was something like 'both Russia and the Ukraine are brother countries to us, and this situation is very tragic'. No-one was in a hurry to assign blame, everyone was very measured with their words.
    Let them find their own way, without being in a rush to paint everyone with their own opinion or conception of own interests as a Russophobe. At the moment, they are pursuing some schizophrenic policies, but this will pass.

    Above all it should be recognized that Russia also committed mistakes in regards to the Ukraine, and it shouldn't repeat the same ones with Kazakhstan.

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    Post  lancelot Thu May 19, 2022 12:41 am

    It only got worse after Macron came into power. He removes older systems from active service in France without putting new systems in service.

    Arrow wrote:Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant will work for Russia – Russian Deputy Prime Minister Khusnullin.
    This power plant has almost 6,000MW of power.
    It is talked about a lot yes. But there is another power plant right next to that one as well.
    Zaporizhzhia thermal power station. 3,650MWe coal power plant.
    Stopped operating due to lack of coal transport. But now that it will be connected to the Donbass rail network I think it is a matter of time.

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