Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

Arkanghelsk wrote:Those m777 are worthless, that's probably getting smoked as we speak right now by precision strikes

Man you are piece of work.

franco wrote:

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franco wrote:Ukrainian forces here are no threat, just a diversion to keep them occupied.  

How fortified is ugledar, nikolaev and gyulyaipole ATM?

Very, and again not the prime action direction... just tying up Ukrainian forces. Urban fortification seems to be an Ukrainian specialty.

That's quite wierd. AFAIK, before the SMO, the Ukrainians didn't have fortifications there unlike in Donbass. How could the Ukrainians have fortified themselves to such an extent in 3 months under constant Russian fire and airstrikes?  Laying concrete for bunkers is a peacetime thing.

Its just so wierd that the Russians are assaulting the possibly the most fortified(and forested) areas in Donbass(severdonetsk, Avdeevka, popasnaya) while they aren't assaulting a hastily firtified steppe area like Gulyaipole or ugledsr area.


Taking Gulyaipole and surrounding Zaporozhye and and Nikaev would cause far more logistical. And morale difficulty to the Ukrainians than taking a fortified village in the Donbass.


In any case, we're seeing Ukrainian succès reinforcements pouring into the Donbass meat grinder without getting This is exactly what the Russians didn't want.

We need multiple highways and railroads of death instead of entire brigades reaching the Donbass trenches.

Betray all along the line! Completely replace the staff. With every day, Ukraine becomes stronger and Russia weaker! War of movement, kettles, smash, avoid positions and win the country and not wait and wait.

The traiters have to get out and finally people who understand that the world can only be free here if Ukraine falls!

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Betray all along the line! Completely replace the staff. With every day, Ukraine becomes stronger and Russia weaker! War of movement, kettles, smash, avoid positions and win the country and not wait and wait.

The traiters have to get out and finally people who understand that the world can only be free here if Ukraine falls!

You do realize NATO is waiting for the moment VSU collapses to intervene ?

General Staff is looking at this from satellite level

While we not even on the ground to be able to opine about it

franco wrote:

Actually reinforcement coming into the Donbas is not an issue... the key operative word here is "meat grinder". Remember the prime directive from Putin was to demilitarize and denatizify Ukraine.

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franco wrote:

limb wrote:

franco wrote:

franco wrote:b"

franco wrote:Ukrainian forces here are no threat, just a diversion to keep them occupied.  

How fortified is ugledar, nikolaev and gyulyaipole ATM?

Very, and again not the prime action direction... just tying up Ukrainian forces. Urban fortification seems to be an Ukrainian specialty.

That's quite wierd. AFAIK, before the SMO, the Ukrainians didn't have fortifications there unlike in Donbass. How could the Ukrainians have fortified themselves to such an extent in 3 months under constant Russian fire and airstrikes?  Laying concrete for bunkers is a peacetime thing.

Its just so wierd that the Russians are assaulting the possibly the most fortified(and forested) areas in Donbass(severdonetsk, Avdeevka, popasnaya) while they aren't assaulting a hastily firtified steppe area like Gulyaipole or ugledsr area.


Taking Gulyaipole and surrounding Zaporozhye and and Nikaev would cause far more logistical. And morale difficulty to the Ukrainians than taking a fortified village in the Donbass.


In any case, we're seeing Ukrainian succès reinforcements pouring into the Donbass meat grinder without getting This is exactly what the Russians didn't want.

We need multiple highways and railroads of death  instead of entire brigades reaching the Donbass trenches.

Actually reinforcement coming into the Donbas is not an issue... the key operative word here is "meat grinder". Remember the prime directive from Putin was to demilitarize and denatizify Ukraine.

Idk, troops in trenches and fortified cities are much more difficult to kill than in the open or on the road.

What's your take on why taking Avdeevka and severdonetsk is more important than advancing onto Zaporozhye and Nikolaev to surround them?

Twitter users like RWA and armchair warlord we're dreaming of an offensive to surround the Donbass going from Gulyaipole.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Betray all along the line! Completely replace the staff. With every day, Ukraine becomes stronger and Russia weaker! War of movement, kettles, smash, avoid positions and win the country and not wait and wait.

The traiters have to get out and finally people who understand that the world can only be free here if Ukraine falls!

You do realize NATO is waiting for the moment VSU collapses to intervene ?

General Staff is looking at this from satellite level

While we not even on the ground to be able to opine about it

Nazis popping out of the warehouse in the west on every corner. Every Ukrainian becomes a Nazi when Russia is not finally throwing Ukraine down here. The location is worse than before the operation!

The United States will upgrade this Ukraine massively and NATO! Now even more propaganda with the whole victim and the United States will see a weak old country in Russia!

An IDLIB 2.0 Nobody can use here! None! Cleaning up to the large river is the least! Everything else comes to an invitation. These Nazi terrorist gans only to stare in the war to Russia!

Now that Azov has surrendered and Zelensky delivered his speech defending the decision, the evening ends with a massive barrage of cruise missiles on targets in/near Lvov..

Arkanghelsk wrote:Those m777 are worthless, that's probably getting smoked as we speak right now by precision strikes

I don't see how any weapon that can fire a 155mm projectile can be worthless. Hopefully the Russian counterbattery fire is effective as these are towed guns that take forever too set up and reposition. They should be sitting ducks and are really useful against opponents with no artillery like Taliban and what not. What counter battery systems is Russia using in Donbass? Hopefully they have 15-20 PIONs that do the job of taking these out.

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Putin's War - May 16th Map Briefing.
Today there are unconfirmed but reliable reports that Ukrainian forces have crossed the Donets river near Kharkiv and taken up positions in 2 villages.
Russia captured a village near Lyman and Adiivka.
4th map shows recaptured land in yellow.

Well lack of info leads to this

Ukraine and The West provide these maps and info because it obviously suits them

Meanwhile on the other side there is very little to validate anything that's being said

The MOD reports are like a generic statement of equipment destroyed

All other figures are taken from blogs and posts and some analysis is made by random like Ipsan or some blogger

No official source confirms any of the information

Obviously we know Russia can win , but there's not much that can be done to rebut the info posted by ukros

In russian media, there's vyzglyad, and other such sources which are really opinion pieces

You have Russian blogosphere which is generally the same with some OSINT type info

Then you have western pro russian blogs like andrei martyanov or thesaker or the Duran and places like that where random like gonzalo lira or other guys give stories and analysis

Then you have RT and sputnik which is useless except for headline stories about west or economy

The Russian MOD gives videos of medals being awarded, random drone footage, and recount of humanitarian aid being distributed but that's it

Some briefing talk about this command post or this warehouse was hit with so many equipment and material destroyed

But there's not really any info on this

Objectively speaking Ukros have taken territory so it causes a panic

flamming_python wrote:Man I swear this forum is becoming an Ukro outpost is Yuri from Red Alert 2 active or something?  

Give it a break fellas. You want to find out the real picture, read the Rus MoD reports, or the various sitreps that are posted here. No amount of Ukrainian psyops is going to change the basic catastrophic situation for them. No 1-2 M777 howitzers brought in. No nothing.

Some of you guys are completely delusional, panicking over some M777s. Do you know what kind of firepower superiority Russia enjoys everywhere along the front?
If it's not taking out the Ukros as yet, and I don't know whether it is or isn't - so that means it's waiting for them to advance further. Similar to how it was done in Kherson. End of.

The thing is if M-777s are getting through, who knows how much light arms, food, thermal imagers, quadcopters and ATGMs are getting to the Frontline?


Also I'm particularly worried about the truck launched brimstone. In the spur of the moment, Ukrainians have Access to a surface to surface missile class that Russians don't have. The Hermes still isn't being used by the Russians, while brimstone salvors are being launched.

flamming_python wrote:Man I swear this forum is becoming an Ukro outpost is Yuri from Red Alert 2 active or something?  

Give it a break fellas. You want to find out the real picture, read the Rus MoD reports, or the various sitreps that are posted here. No amount of Ukrainian psyops is going to change the basic catastrophic situation for them. No 1-2 M777 howitzers brought in. No nothing.

Some of you guys are completely delusional, panicking over some M777s. Do you know what kind of firepower superiority Russia enjoys everywhere along the front?
If it's not taking out the Ukros as yet, and I don't know whether it is or isn't - so that means it's waiting for them to advance further. Similar to how it was done in Kherson. End of.

I mean it's not bad to have information from another side as well and if it's a lie then it gets debunked. Especially the footage, I tend to avoid analysis as it's very ideologically loaded.

But those maps made by Australian teenagers are very sketchy... If you follow them you can see that suddenly Russian troops somehow teleport and gain ground, they never admit or follow Russian movement until it's too late. It became a joke. Russian OSINT maps are more realistic.

M777 without ballistic computers, with no Excaliburs, are no better than anything Ukraine already has and it also creates a logistics nightmare for them, I don't see why there is a big wank show regards them. I would be worried about Brimstone and even then it's Wunderwaffe and basically won't shape the battlefield no matter how effective or not it is.

Ukrainian advances are not coming without the costs and it does expose Ukraine as well, logistics are the king here, Russia at the moment keeps their chain short and controlled, what about UA side?

All in all, this is the choice of Russian operations for whatever reason. **** ups happen on both sides, it would be too quick to claim deciding victories for anyone as of yet.

And eventual fall of Azovstal is just a formality at this point. Wake me up when cauldrons will be formed, until then it's a slugfest and realistically speaking, Ukraine has little chance in causing much attrition to Russia.

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What's the take on the zvezda footage of dead Ukrainians on zmeiny?

Ukrop shills are going on a massive cope that the belt of one of the dead soldiers has the logo of the Russian marines, however AFAIK this is a standard issue soviet belt buckle, which cannot definitely indicate what side the soldier is from.

Given that the shown bodies are on the high fields of the island, not the beaches, lends credence to the idea that it was a Ukrainian Mi-8 which was blown up, not a Russian one, according to Rybar.


I'm kind of trying to get out of FUD, given this clue. It shows that despite being pro-russian and allegedly having inside sources, Rybar, VoenKotenok, etc may not be right all the time. I still have FUD over Kharkov and belogorovka. We aren't seeing decisive battles or the ukrops getting destroyed there.


Also this month we don't see almost any Russian drone footage of Ukrainian counter battery fire destroying Ukrainian artillery. Why is that.

PhSt wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Man I swear this forum is becoming an Ukro outpost is Yuri from Red Alert 2 active or something?  

Give it a break fellas. You want to find out the real picture, read the Rus MoD reports, or the various sitreps that are posted here. No amount of Ukrainian psyops is going to change the basic catastrophic situation for them. No 1-2 M777 howitzers brought in. No nothing.

Some of you guys are completely delusional, panicking over some M777s. Do you know what kind of firepower superiority Russia enjoys everywhere along the front?
If it's not taking out the Ukros as yet, and I don't know whether it is or isn't - so that means it's waiting for them to advance further. Similar to how it was done in Kherson. End of.

Why is Russia losing ground to Ukrop NATzO Nazis? Why is Pukraine still able to resist? They should have been bombarded to submission. Why is Russia still hesitating to unleash all firepower to turn Pukraine into a sea of fire? Just Kill Everyone! Mission Accomplished. Then it will be Finland's turn to be Obliterated.

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PhSt wrote:

Why is Russia losing ground to Ukrop NATzO Nazis? Why is Pukraine still able to resist? They should have been bombarded to submission. Why is Russia still hesitating to unleash all firepower to turn Pukraine into a sea of fire? Just Kill Everyone! Mission Accomplished. Then it will be Finland's turn to be Obliterated.

I thought it is evident, but I will give my opinion.

Russia doesn't have enough firepower committed to carry out operation of annihilation. I mean, look at how many assets are needed to kill troops that outnumber you? Then talks of PGM shortage would be the thing... Killing everyone is good on paper and all, but in reality, it backfires in a long run. Afghanistan and Iraq is a good example. Soviets also didn't kill all nazis in WW2 and they formed the bulk at the young NVA army. NVA unlike Bundeswehrr was Wermach with no nazi ideology. Same traditions, discipline, and very capable. Stasi made sure that are loyal to the cause and NATO actually feared them like standing Russian forces unlike most of the Western Pact.

Not saying that Ukrainian forces have any potential to become NVA, but please understand, that killing all of them would fill the void that would cause very serious issues. It is been shown that ideology is not set in stone and usually losing war shakes very foundations of it.

Not to mention humanitarian catastrophe carrying a war of annihilation that would also affect Russia too.

Also, keep in mind that civilian resistance is not an issue now in Ukraine as well, but this would change if Russia would hunt every single Ukrainian on sight. That would make this war of actual survival, like what the nazis did in Belarus and Russia and etc. Do you think ordinary soviets fought fiercely because of the love of the communist party or Stalin? No, it was a war of survival... Why would Russia need to recreate this?

So that's why you see only operational bombardment into submission/destrcution and large amounts of POWs being taken... Exit is given even to actual Nazis, 5-15 years jail time is better than death and that says alot where is this going.

ret russian col. warns of 1M ukrainian troops

Who is this guy? Its on Russian state media so what are they trying to accomplish?

Regular wrote:

PhSt wrote:

Why is Russia losing ground to Ukrop NATzO Nazis? Why is Pukraine still able to resist? They should have been bombarded to submission. Why is Russia still hesitating to unleash all firepower to turn Pukraine into a sea of fire? Just Kill Everyone! Mission Accomplished. Then it will be Finland's turn to be Obliterated.

I thought it is evident, but I will give my opinion.

Russia doesn't have enough firepower committed to carry out operation of annihilation. I mean, look at how many assets are needed to kill troops that outnumber you? Then talks of PGM shortage would be the thing... Killing everyone is good on paper and all, but in reality, it backfires in a long run. Afghanistan and Iraq is a good example. Soviets also didn't kill all nazis in WW2 and they formed the bulk at the young NVA army. NVA unlike Bundeswehrr was Wermach with no nazi ideology. Same traditions, discipline, and very capable. Stasi made sure that are loyal to the cause and NATO actually feared them like standing Russian forces unlike most of the Western Pact.

Not saying that Ukrainian forces have any potential to become NVA, but please understand, that killing all of them would fill the void that would cause very serious issues. It is been shown that ideology is not set in stone and usually losing war shakes very foundations of it.

Not to mention humanitarian catastrophe carrying a war of annihilation that would also affect Russia too.

Also, keep in mind that civilian resistance is not an issue now in Ukraine as well, but this would change if Russia would hunt every single Ukrainian on sight. That would make this war of actual survival, like what the nazis did in Belarus and Russia and etc. Do you think ordinary soviets fought fiercely because of the love of the communist party or Stalin? No, it was a war of survival... Why would Russia need to recreate this?

So that's why you see only operational bombardment into submission/destrcution and large amounts of POWs being taken... Exit is given even to actual Nazis, 5-15 years jail time is better than death and that says alot where is this going.

Except this isn't WW2. Nobody apart from some schizos is talking about a war of annihilation. The more territory the ukrainian regime holds, the more it can brainwash the residents of that territory. There simply should be more troops. 500000 is needed, not 200000. There needs to be a wide frontline where the russians can outflank the ukrainians, since they have better strategic mobility.

mnztr wrote:ret russian col. warns of 1M ukrainian troops

Who is this guy? Its on Russian state media so what are they trying to accomplish?

I think that someone from Ukr government spoke about 1 million people under arms. I'm not even sure if that's even possible considering demographics of Ukraine. Only in theory. Not to mention that would be complete logistical nightmare.
As for Khodarenok, obviously, you don't know his history. Even before war, he was against it. Basically, they always bring someone with opposite or controversial view to stir up auditorium and improve  ratings.