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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16
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Now that the ukrainian forces are advancing outside of kharkov, whats stopping the russians from bombarding them to pulp with aircraft and artillery? Instead the ukrainians seem to be chilling in forests and villages, with not a worry in their hearts.
I still don't understand the importance of the shipilovka heights. Why are the russians so focused on that chokepoint.
In order to wrap up the bridge massacre, I see 2 arguments floating around:
Allegedly the russian 75th mechanized brigade is operating in the donbass, and it operates unupgraded BMP-1s. BroSINT on twitter is saying that this was the brigade that got struck.
Was it possible that its was an LDNR formation that got struck, and the ukrainian vehicles were captured previously by the LDNR?
Also,
Whats stopping the russians from jamming control signals of Ukrainian light UAVs? It seems like the russians haven't used absolutely any EW, apart from demining operations. Are they paranoid that NATO will recieve their EW frequencies? Why is it so important that NATO surveillance doesn't recieve Russian EW signals?
I still don't understand the importance of the shipilovka heights. Why are the russians so focused on that chokepoint.
In order to wrap up the bridge massacre, I see 2 arguments floating around:
Allegedly the russian 75th mechanized brigade is operating in the donbass, and it operates unupgraded BMP-1s. BroSINT on twitter is saying that this was the brigade that got struck.
Was it possible that its was an LDNR formation that got struck, and the ukrainian vehicles were captured previously by the LDNR?
Also,
Whats stopping the russians from jamming control signals of Ukrainian light UAVs? It seems like the russians haven't used absolutely any EW, apart from demining operations. Are they paranoid that NATO will recieve their EW frequencies? Why is it so important that NATO surveillance doesn't recieve Russian EW signals?
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limb wrote:Now that the ukrainian forces are advancing outside of kharkov, whats stopping the russians from bombarding them to pulp with aircraft and artillery? Instead the ukrainians seem to be chilling in forests and villages, with not a worry in their hearts.
According to holes map , they are being engaged all along the front
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Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Now that the ukrainian forces are advancing outside of kharkov, whats stopping the russians from bombarding them to pulp with aircraft and artillery? Instead the ukrainians seem to be chilling in forests and villages, with not a worry in their hearts.
According to holes map , they are being engaged all along the front
That was just AD working, Im talking about artillery strikes and airstrikes, as well as armor advances.
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limb wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Now that the ukrainian forces are advancing outside of kharkov, whats stopping the russians from bombarding them to pulp with aircraft and artillery? Instead the ukrainians seem to be chilling in forests and villages, with not a worry in their hearts.
According to holes map , they are being engaged all along the front
That was just AD working, Im talking about artillery strikes and airstrikes, as well as armor advances.
Check the map, cruise missiles and precision strikes are ongoing
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Hole wrote:Isos wrote:limb wrote:Why don't we see the X-58U missile used in the VKS fr SEAD. It's superior to the X-31, with a speed of mach 4.5 instead of Mach 3 and 250km range instead of 110km.
They barely showed what weapons they are using.
Kh-31 does the job since Ukrainian AD are limited to 75km compare to 110km for kh-31. Kh-58 is for THAAD and patriots. It also keep the stocks of a good missiles in case of a war against nato.
They also used smerch and iskander against AD. Smerch being the best on the front, cost-effectivness.
Kh-31PD has a range of 260km.
Kh-58U has a range of 285km if launched from a MiG-25. Which is gone. The Kh-58UShK for the Su-57 has roughly the same range as the Kh-31PD.
First variant of kh-31 which must be the one used in this conflict have a basic range of 110km.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Now that the ukrainian forces are advancing outside of kharkov, whats stopping the russians from bombarding them to pulp with aircraft and artillery? Instead the ukrainians seem to be chilling in forests and villages, with not a worry in their hearts.
According to holes map , they are being engaged all along the front
That was just AD working, Im talking about artillery strikes and airstrikes, as well as armor advances.
Check the map, cruise missiles and precision strikes are ongoing
On the outskirts of kharkov? Im talking about strikes against enemy formations.
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limb wrote:Now that the ukrainian forces are advancing outside of kharkov, whats stopping the russians from bombarding them to pulp with aircraft and artillery? Instead the ukrainians seem to be chilling in forests and villages, with not a worry in their hearts.
I still don't understand the importance of the shipilovka heights. Why are the russians so focused on that chokepoint.
In order to wrap up the bridge massacre, I see 2 arguments floating around:
Allegedly the russian 75th mechanized brigade is operating in the donbass, and it operates unupgraded BMP-1s. BroSINT on twitter is saying that this was the brigade that got struck.
Was it possible that its was an LDNR formation that got struck, and the ukrainian vehicles were captured previously by the LDNR?
Also,
Whats stopping the russians from jamming control signals of Ukrainian light UAVs? It seems like the russians haven't used absolutely any EW, apart from demining operations. Are they paranoid that NATO will recieve their EW frequencies? Why is it so important that NATO surveillance doesn't recieve Russian EW signals?
There is no Russian 75th mechanized brigade.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:Is Kharkov insignificant? General Staff not really addressing tactical picture of Kharkov
It is for the time being. It's used as Kiev was, to tie up Ukrainian forces, while Russia focuses on the Donbas.
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In total, 2227 people are blocked in Azovstal (aprox. 300 left today) There are even pregnant servicemen (women) Surrender will continue tomorrow from 4am.
Have to add: not all of them are part of AZOV. Some are border guards, regular AFU, policemen that thought Azovstal would be a „nice“ place to defend.
According to preliminary information, about 300 militants left Azovstal. About 50 of them were wounded. They are now being taken to the Central District Hospital of Novoazovsk, where they will be provided with the necessary medical care. The rest were taken away by buses in the direction of Yelenovka
https://t.me/s/levigodman
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limb wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Now that the ukrainian forces are advancing outside of kharkov, whats stopping the russians from bombarding them to pulp with aircraft and artillery? Instead the ukrainians seem to be chilling in forests and villages, with not a worry in their hearts.
According to holes map , they are being engaged all along the front
That was just AD working, Im talking about artillery strikes and airstrikes, as well as armor advances.
Check the map, cruise missiles and precision strikes are ongoing
On the outskirts of kharkov? Im talking about strikes against enemy formations.
https://twitter.com/ZimermanErik/status/1526271782570938370/photo/1
Potential #Russian counterattack in Cherkaski & Prudianka earlier today in the #Kharkov region. This could threaten to cutoff UA troops further north. Meanwhile, UA sources claiming UA has crossed the river east of Staryl Saltiv & are attacking #Zarichne. Large thermal footprint
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franco wrote:limb wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Now that the ukrainian forces are advancing outside of kharkov, whats stopping the russians from bombarding them to pulp with aircraft and artillery? Instead the ukrainians seem to be chilling in forests and villages, with not a worry in their hearts.
According to holes map , they are being engaged all along the front
That was just AD working, Im talking about artillery strikes and airstrikes, as well as armor advances.
Check the map, cruise missiles and precision strikes are ongoing
On the outskirts of kharkov? Im talking about strikes against enemy formations.
https://twitter.com/ZimermanErik/status/1526271782570938370/photo/1
Potential #Russian counterattack in Cherkaski & Prudianka earlier today in the #Kharkov region. This could threaten to cutoff UA troops further north. Meanwhile, UA sources claiming UA has crossed the river east of Staryl Saltiv & are attacking #Zarichne. Large thermal footprint
Great news , that huge force west of belgorod can run riot on left Ukrainian flank,
It's like a lion playing with a mouse
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Ukrainian forces here are no threat, just a diversion to keep them occupied.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:franco wrote:limb wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:Now that the ukrainian forces are advancing outside of kharkov, whats stopping the russians from bombarding them to pulp with aircraft and artillery? Instead the ukrainians seem to be chilling in forests and villages, with not a worry in their hearts.
According to holes map , they are being engaged all along the front
That was just AD working, Im talking about artillery strikes and airstrikes, as well as armor advances.
Check the map, cruise missiles and precision strikes are ongoing
On the outskirts of kharkov? Im talking about strikes against enemy formations.
https://twitter.com/ZimermanErik/status/1526271782570938370/photo/1
Potential #Russian counterattack in Cherkaski & Prudianka earlier today in the #Kharkov region. This could threaten to cutoff UA troops further north. Meanwhile, UA sources claiming UA has crossed the river east of Staryl Saltiv & are attacking #Zarichne. Large thermal footprint
Great news , that huge force west of belgorod can run riot on left Ukrainian flank,
It's like a lion playing with a mouse
I just hope that there is a lot more destruction of ukrainain forces in that area than reports are saying.
Do you guys think that south front has turned into quasi-pro-ukrainian propaganda? In their videos they show more photos of destroyed russian equipment than ukrainian, and also keep claiming russian heavy losses and failed attacks.
Im kind of concerned about the showing of BMD-4s and BMP-3s in the conflict. there is phtographical of at least 50 being destroyed so far by ukrainian forces and around 20 being captured. I thoight thought that they should be very hard to capture, since if they break down they can easily be recovered due to light weight.
How fortified is ugledar, nikolaev and gyulyaipole ATM?franco wrote:Ukrainian forces here are no threat, just a diversion to keep them occupied.
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Maybe it's true, once Donbass falls, and majority of VSU is eliminated
NATO has 2 choices, either give up, or enter Ukraine
So Russia moves slow knowing the confrontation is coming and it wants sufficient forces and weapons for when push comes to shove
Kinzhals will rain on NATO armor as it crosses into Ukraine
NATO has 2 choices, either give up, or enter Ukraine
So Russia moves slow knowing the confrontation is coming and it wants sufficient forces and weapons for when push comes to shove
Kinzhals will rain on NATO armor as it crosses into Ukraine
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Arkanghelsk wrote:Maybe it's true, once Donbass falls, and majority of VSU is eliminated
NATO has 2 choices, either give up, or enter Ukraine
So Russia moves slow knowing the confrontation is coming and it wants sufficient forces and weapons for when push comes to shove
Kinzhals will rain on NATO armor as it crosses into Ukraine
So far, slow advance means that ukrainians are reinforcing normally.
I just don't understand how M777s arrived in donbass.
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https://twitter.com/HN_Schlottman/status/1526270271002378240/photo/1
NOTE: interesting look at Russian logistics in the Donbas operations by an ex-military guy (USA). It seems to be a major concern to some here and this guy does appear to try to be objective. Read his 24 comments on the side bar explaining his research. Reading the follow on comments is at your own risk
NOTE: interesting look at Russian logistics in the Donbas operations by an ex-military guy (USA). It seems to be a major concern to some here and this guy does appear to try to be objective. Read his 24 comments on the side bar explaining his research. Reading the follow on comments is at your own risk
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Arkanghelsk wrote:Is Kharkov insignificant? General Staff not really addressing tactical picture of Kharkov
The guys at Duran have stated that the Russian/LPR forces near Kharkov are just a screening force to protect that flank while the real battle goes on in the Donbass.
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How fortified is ugledar, nikolaev and gyulyaipole ATM?franco wrote:b"
[quote="franco"]Ukrainian forces here are no threat, just a diversion to keep them occupied.
Very, and again not the prime action direction... just tying up Ukrainian forces. Urban fortification seems to be an Ukrainian specialty.
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That's true, Kharkov is inconsequential to the main goal of destroying the bulk of VSU in donetsk
But I wonder what happens once they are gone
I doubt NATO will leave it's puppet
In fact MOD probably estimates it is as this time that NATO is likely to intervene , once the VSU collapses
But I wonder what happens once they are gone
I doubt NATO will leave it's puppet
In fact MOD probably estimates it is as this time that NATO is likely to intervene , once the VSU collapses
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limb wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:Maybe it's true, once Donbass falls, and majority of VSU is eliminated
NATO has 2 choices, either give up, or enter Ukraine
So Russia moves slow knowing the confrontation is coming and it wants sufficient forces and weapons for when push comes to shove
Kinzhals will rain on NATO armor as it crosses into Ukraine
So far, slow advance means that ukrainians are reinforcing normally.
I just don't understand how M777s arrived in donbass.
How many actually arrived and how long will they last??
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Those m777 are worthless, that's probably getting smoked as we speak right now by precision strikes
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Arkanghelsk wrote:That's true, Kharkov is inconsequential to the main goal of destroying the bulk of VSU in donetsk
But I wonder what happens once they are gone
Phase 3 commences...
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franco wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:That's true, Kharkov is inconsequential to the main goal of destroying the bulk of VSU in donetsk
But I wonder what happens once they are gone
Phase 3 commences...
Fucking shit