Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

Podlodka77 wrote:
Where did you find that info about Msta-S and a range of 80 km ?  It was said that Koalitsiya-SV has a range of up to 80 km.

Both fire the same assisted round.
The main difference for 2S35 is the rate of fire going up to 16pm.

Dr.Snekotron
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Rybar's review of photographic evidence from Snake Island, using high res imagery by Maxar, May 9-12.

-Multiple oil patches suggest recent sinkings around the island

-Multiple fires caused by aircraft debris

-Russia in full control of the island; AA systems restocked

There seems to be two Ternovo(a), one south of Kharkov as well.

Baron of the Taiga
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: Ukraine has lost Ternovo at the Russian border in the Kharkov region

T Boy!!!
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Ukrainians recognized the loss of Ternova near the state border between the Russian Federation and Ukraine in the Kharkiv direction

It is reported that the settlement is now under the control of the Russian army

how naive! He will make sure the voters r in favor of joining the RF, if there is a referendum.

Not naive at all.... actually democratic... and practical... they get to choose how to live.

Less likely to become a problem again.

The Cherson area may get just annexed w/o any such "ceremonies". "Denazification" is needed, but it's being used as a convinient excuse, as was GWOT in the ME, to grab & plunder Ukraine by Russian oligarchs & restore the strategic depth of the post Soviet European Russia.

Plunder what I must ask... the place was a stagnent shithole going nowhere... with the nazis gone and the US overlords gone they might have a chance at a decent future.

I'm pleased that Ukr. nationaists, not just the neonazis r being removed & hope that after this is over the conditions become better than ever before, not just in 'former Ukraine" but in the RF too. Beria's GULAG Kolyma camps system defeated Himmler's Oswenzim et al; the USSR's victory in WWII didn't change conditions there untill Stalin's death in 1953.

You have to understand that the west is likely to go full retard to **** things up and create another war.... that is what they do.

The game is over

They write on blogs that false flag could be coming ,

To distract from the disaster and the collapse of Ukrainian army

At least the thousand year reich lasted 12 years... 1933 to 1945...

Must have been quite old pilot.
I think there has not been an air force in any of Baltic states since the Soviet times. I know natzos have four planes there though (what a stunt of propaganda in itself btw).

He might have been a gun for hire for quite some time operating planes in the stans and other places that have Su-25s... he might have flown Georgian Frogfeet.

That little cocksucker Terdogan really needs his wings clipped.

Actually he has been very Russia friendly so far... no sanctions... allowing Russian ships back to Black Sea home port, but blocking HATO ships from entering, putting a small spanner in the works for Finland and Sweden... they are going to join but he is going to get something out of it too... and why not?

He is selling drones to Kiev but lets face it... if they couldn't get Turkish drones they would demand much more expensive and much more capable American or Israeli drones instead, so it is not really a huge deal.

I would say he is being more friendly to Russia than any country within the EU or HATO... he is almost being neutral... which is about as much as you could possibly hope for.

Still... Russia did sell them S-400 which got them out of the F-35 programme so they do owe Russia big time....

Back in those days as I received my basic military training, they told us that it´s much better to injure an enemy
then to kill him. If he dies at the spot, his buddies take his ID and burry him. If there is time. If he is wounded, they
have to give him first aid, call in a medevac unit and later he has to be given care in an field hospital. This needs a
lot of ressources.

I remember chatting to a soldier in the 1980s about the new small calibre rounds and how they are supposed to wound instead of kill and how it is more efficient. The war he had been in was the Vietnam war and he had seen wounds from 223 and also from 308 (M16 and SLR in his case) and he said as far as he was concerned the new light rounds allow you to carry a lot more ammo but you never aim to injure because the guy you are shooting has a gun and might keep shooting at you and your mates if you only injure him.
He said someone in planning might think that makes sense but in real combat where the enemy might not take such measures to aide their injured soldiers like we do you shoot to kill every time.

Made sense to me.

The lighter rounds allow controlled bursts at close range, but in real combat the lighter calibre normally mean multiple hits to injured soldiers which increases the chance of bleeding out and dying and the holes made are often larger than the heavier older rounds which tended to just rip through leaving a relatively through and through simple wound.

They're aware of the fact that they have nothing left, ordinary civilians were saying so as much before the war broke out - that they hoped Russia wouldn't attack, there's nothing to take from them anyway.

They have nothing worth stealing that Russia might like, but they were a threat that had to be eliminated because they had been fashioned into a weapon by the US.

I was really hopping that Russia will pump in more regular infantry to do the legwork in the background. Other day, I've seen a video where some sort of marines or spetsnaz is providing support for logistical column. Couldn't they call up few thousand people from reserves or older class of conscripts to do that work and let these guys fight Ukrainians?

Are you joking?

Conscripts in the caravan hunter role?

Spetsnaz and VDV are the ideal groups to perform anti ambush missions... especially with Terminators...

Basically, NATO is pushing Ukraine for a full mobilization, I think Zelensky said something about 1 million troops, don't know if he can do that or not, he tends to BS a lot. If NATO provides a wall of gear with the $40billion that US coughed up, and trains a large chunk of the Ukrainians on how to use it, say in Poland or Germany like they have been doing, then that will prolong the conflict and eventually grind Russia down.

Don't you understand that a million strong army of conscripts who really don't want to die and if they voted for Zelensky they voted for him because he promised to solve the problems in the Donbass and restore relations with Russia...

A formed up million strong army might just turn on Zelensky and overthrow him when given the choice of death by Russian artillery or shot in the back of the head by their own commanders.

Hopefully Spetsnaz are being used to look out for and eliminate Ukrainian blocking units...

It remains to be seen if better trained and equipped Ukrainians are any more effective.

Well going by the comments of western mercs who slipped back to the west after getting a taste of the war in the ukraine it sounds like no amount of training will prepare you for a full on artillery barrage... steel rain is steel rain... grad or smerch... MSTA or PION or Tulip.

what matters is that the RF recognises them as L/DNR before annexation;

They already did. They recognised them and gave Kiev an ultimatum to withdraw from Donbass territory and cease shelling said region within 24 hours... which expired and then Russia launched its special operation.

Russia may just say that the USSR was disbanded illegaly & as a legal inheritor she is taking parts of Ukraine back. The West won't recognize any of it anyway.

Russia can just point to Kosovo and international law that essentially any region the people can hold a referendum and declare independence if they wish and countries can recognise that or not.

Kosovo independence was what allowed Russia to recognise South Ossetia and Abkhazia as separate from Georgia, and also the Crimea and now the Donbass and Lugansk.... and shortly the Transnitria region too perhaps?

French AF faced the ammo shortage after about a week of air campaign against Libya, executed hand by hand with the Brits who faced just the same. Both needed to cry a river to Uncle Scum, to help them.

Which was actually in the news at the time which is why western claims Russia must be running out of fuel and ammo and cruise missiles and tanks and men are believed so readily in the west. But the Russians prepare for war and don't keep all their eggs in one basket.

The Eryx for example blows the metis M1 out of the water.

Metis if a fraction of the price and is a very capable system.

Probably coincidence, but its certain that the Tyulpans added another thick layer onto the shit cake that the Nazis were forced to chow down on

Possibly a factor but they were closing off entrances and ventilation shafts and water supplies methodically... it would get pretty uncomfortable pretty quick... especially with 2K people and not enough water for a shower every day...

Other news EU concerned now about wheat. With tens of billions of tons in Ukraine that can't be removed even if they can get it, it still won't be enough without Russian wheat. USA calling on EU to invest in food security projects.

Was reading an article on RT about generous offers of support from the EU where they would take all that useless grain the Ukraine has in all those silos, and also remove tarriffs and sanctions on Russian and Belarussian fertiliser to help out Kiev.

As the Russian official that commented on that generous offer pointed out that this would leave the Ukrainians without grain and with no diesel or vehicles to bring in the current crops... he said European offers were all about helping themselves and not anyone else... as usual.

But that bit about the Russian helicopter crashed... It was destroyed and it wasn't an accident.

The Orcs claim to have shot it down, but they also claim to have sunk the Moskva too... accident sounds more convincing.