Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

ALAMO wrote:

Hole wrote:
A building in Kharkov had an unexpected visitior.

It had, and what is even more interesting - it seems that Ch-22 was a visitor.
That would push up the accuracy of the system MUCH above the "well known", and that would be not the first time.
Seems that the systems ze Wezt considered as nuclear grade accuracy can do MUCH better in real ...

Isos wrote:

Scorpius wrote:

The Aerospace Forces of Russia use Su-57 fighters during a military special operation in Ukraine. This was told to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex. "The use of Su-57 aircraft in Ukraine began two or three weeks after the start of the special operation. The planes operate outside the zone of active destruction by enemy air defense means, using missile weapons," the agency interlocutor said.

TASS has no official information on this matter.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14679393

So maybe it's just rumors, but Ukraine is quite suitable as another testing ground for new aircraft. As Georgia has become a combat training ground for the Su-34, Ukraine can become a baptism of fire for the Su-57.

This was captured in a video from march I think. It may be a su-57.

JohninMK wrote:Claimed by the Ukrainians on the 18th. Any other confirmation or just another rather different PR stunt?

In Melitopol, a Russian armored train consisting of 10 cars was blown up.

The explosion was carried out remotely under a car with the occupants ' personnel. The incident occurred in the area of the meat processing plant.

As a result of the explosion, two railway tracks were damaged, an armored train was stopped, and a locomotive with 10 fuel tanks following the armored train was also stopped.

It is also known that in the area of the building of the former district state administration and the green Polyclinic, where the “commandant's Office” of the armed forces of the Russian Federation is located, an explosion was heard (two guarantors previously blew up) and a shootout took place. Automatic bursts were also heard in the area of Schmidt Street, and the road was blocked around the headquarters of the occupation forces. We will remind, on the eve of Melitopol unknown persons killed two invaders.

https://sprotyv.mod.gov.ua/2022/05/18/u-melitopoli-pidirvaly-rosijskyj-bronepoyizd/

dionis wrote:Not sure if it was posted here, but Reuters on Russia using laser weapons in the war...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-touts-new-generation-blinding-laser-weapons-2022-05-18/

LONDON, May 18 (Reuters) - Russia on Wednesday said it was using a new generation of powerful lasers in Ukraine to burn up drones, deploying some of Moscow's secret weapons to counter a flood of Western arms.

Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2018 unveiled an intercontinental ballistic missile, underwater nuclear drones, a supersonic weapon and a laser weapon.

Little is known about the specifics of the new laser. Putin mentioned one called Peresvet, named after a medieval Orthodox warrior monk Alexander Peresvet who perished in mortal combat.

Yury Borisov, the deputy prime minister in charge of military development, told a conference in Moscow that Peresvet was already being widely deployed and it could blind satellites up to 1,500 km above Earth.

He said there were already more powerful systems than Peresvet that could burn up drones and other equipment. Borisov cited a test on Tuesday which he said had burned up a drone 5 km away within five seconds.

"If Peresvet blinds, then the new generation of laser weapons lead to the physical destruction of the target - thermal destruction, they burn up," he told Russian state television.

Asked if such weapons were being used in Ukraine, Borisov said: "Yes. The first prototypes are already being used there." He said the weapon was called "Zadira".

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy mockingly compared news of the lasers to the so-called wonder weapons that Nazi Germany unveiled in a bid to prevent defeat in World War Two.

"The clearer it became that they had no chance in the war, the more propaganda there was about an amazing weapon that would be so powerful as to ensure a turning point," he said in a late night video address.

"And so we see that in the third month of a full-scale war, Russia is trying to find its 'wonder weapon' ... this all clearly shows the complete failure of the mission."

Almost nothing is publicly known about Zadira but in 2017 Russian media said state nuclear corporation Rosatom helped develop it as part of a programme to create weapons-based new physical principles.

The invasion of Ukraine has illustrated the limits of Russia's post-Soviet conventional armed forces, though Putin says the "special military operation" is going to plan.

Borisov's remarks indicate Russia has made significant progress with laser weapons, a trend of considerable interest to other nuclear powers such as the United States and China.

Using lasers to blind satellites was once a fantasy from the realm of science fiction, but the United States, China and Russia have been working on variants of such weapons for years.

Besides the benefit of burning up drones, blinding reconnaissance systems has a strategic impact too as satellites are used to monitor intercontinental ballistic missiles carrying nuclear weapons.

Borisov said he had just returned from Sarov, which is a centre of Russia's nuclear weapons research. He said a new generation of laser weapons using a wide electromagnetic band would ultimately replace conventional weapons.

"This is not some sort of exotic idea; it is the reality," Borisov said.

franco wrote:414 soldiers surrendered in Azovstal so far today. Puts the total at 2323. https://t.me/s/levigodman

SeigSoloyvov wrote:d
here is a picture of syrian mig-29.  



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kvs wrote:

LMFS wrote:

kvs wrote:Scott Ritter has lost the plot.   He actually believes that Ukraine is raising a whole new army outside of Ukraine in NATO training
camps where its finest soldiers are getting the training to use super advanced NATO "game changer" weapon systems.

If only it was that easy.  All that NATzO and its proxy Kiev regime will achieve is raising an UNA/UNSO Banderite goon squad.
NATzO is going to have to send its own armies to fight for its regime.

He is being maybe a bit naive about the intentions of US, or maybe he cannot believe the sheer criminality of his country, but he has not been fully understood I think. He has just said that Russia will be forced to make a bigger effort, change the rules of engagement and essentially take more time to destroy the country more than it would be "necessary".

I am basically quoting what he said on one of his live streams with another Youtubber.    He clearly thinks that some super duper training
with "advanced" NATzO weapons systems will replace the army that Kiev is losing as we speak.   The fixation appears to be on magical
equipment and the magical training that will enable its use.   This is utter BS.   Ukria already had the howitzers, tanks and anti-missile
systems.   That did not change its fate.   But according to Ritter using NATzO equipment will transform Ukria and this war into a whole
higher plane of pain for Russia.  

But I should not be surprised.   Everyone in the NATzO west is weaned from birth to believe that their countries have innate technological
superiority and are basically invincible on all fronts.

ALAMO wrote:Stingers are only 40 years old!
Don't fool the audience!

sepheronx wrote:

Yeah, 404 aircraft fly in from Romania, and are replenished by Su-27s, MiG-29s from whatever old Asian or African stocks. Deal with it.

11E wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Yeah, 404 aircraft fly in from Romania, and are replenished by Su-27s, MiG-29s from whatever old Asian or African stocks. Deal with it.

Sir,
I'am afraid I disagree with you that Ukrainian fighter aircraft fly out from Romania (or another NATO country). It would be virtually impossible to hide this from the outside world.

It would be seen with Russian radar (ground and air)
It would be followed by Russian Electronic Warfare
It would be verified after that by Russian satellite
It would be verified by Russian people on the ground to be sure

All of these would be a legal casus belli to take action against NATO, a risk even NATO would not take. Or it would be used as evidence in the information war.

All NATO Combat Reporting Centers (radar stations) (at least in western Europe) are linked together. Also these stations are feed with AWACS imagery. The radar station in the Netherlands can see the air picture of a radar station in southern Germany and vice versa. An example, in the nineties it was possible to see the take-off of Russian Su-27s from Stargard-Kluczewo air base. It was easy to determine the so-called flying days of the Russian aircraft in East Germany and Poland. We used it to go there and take pictures...... So it must be possible to get an air picture whats flying around in Romania. All those radar operators have to keep their mouth about it. After some time someone will talk about it to colleagues and they tell it further.

The Ukrainian Su-27 which defected to Romania was photographed the exact moment it arrived at that airfield. If, a very big if, Ukrainian combat planes were flying out of Romania (or other NATO country) there would be pictures of it. It would be the opportunity of a lifetime for aircraft spotters to take photographs of combat loaded aircraft or to photograph battle damaged aircraft returning from a mission. Remember, it is still possible to go unhindered to an airfield here and take pictures.

Sincerely,
Lesley

limb wrote:

11E wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Yeah, 404 aircraft fly in from Romania, and are replenished by Su-27s, MiG-29s from whatever old Asian or African stocks. Deal with it.

Sir,
I'am afraid I disagree with you that Ukrainian fighter aircraft fly out from Romania (or another NATO country). It would be virtually impossible to hide this from the outside world.

It would be seen with Russian radar (ground and air)
It would be followed by Russian Electronic Warfare
It would be verified after that by Russian satellite
It would be verified by Russian people on the ground to be sure

All of these would be a legal casus belli to take action against NATO, a risk even NATO would not take. Or it would be used as evidence in the information war.

All NATO Combat Reporting Centers (radar stations) (at least in western Europe) are linked together. Also these stations are feed with AWACS imagery. The radar station in the Netherlands can see the air picture of a radar station in southern Germany and vice versa. An example, in the nineties it was possible to see the take-off of Russian Su-27s from Stargard-Kluczewo air base. It was easy to determine the so-called flying days of the Russian aircraft in East Germany and Poland. We used it to go there and take pictures...... So it must be possible to get an air picture whats flying around in Romania. All those radar operators have to keep their mouth about it. After some time someone will talk about it to colleagues and they tell it further.

The Ukrainian Su-27 which defected to Romania was photographed the exact moment it arrived at that airfield. If, a very big if, Ukrainian combat planes were flying out of Romania (or other NATO country) there would be pictures of it. It would be the opportunity of a lifetime for aircraft spotters to take photographs of combat loaded aircraft or to photograph battle damaged aircraft returning from a mission. Remember, it is still possible to go unhindered to an airfield here and take pictures.

Sincerely,
Lesley

So what's more likely, Ukrainians are good at hiding aircraft, or Russians suck at bombing airports?

11E wrote:Although not less interesting the one on the picture is actually a Sudanese one (the ''triangle) in the flag). Syria had Red/White/Black with two green stars

Sincerely,
Lesley

Vann7 wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:d
here is a picture of syrian mig-29.  



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kvs wrote:I am basically quoting what he said on one of his live streams with another Youtubber.    He clearly thinks that some super duper training
with "advanced" NATzO weapons systems will replace the army that Kiev is losing as we speak.   The fixation appears to be on magical
equipment and the magical training that will enable its use.   This is utter BS.   Ukria already had the howitzers, tanks and anti-missile
systems.   That did not change its fate.   But according to Ritter using NATzO equipment will transform Ukria and this war into a whole
higher plane of pain for Russia.  

But I should not be surprised.   Everyone in the NATzO west is weaned from birth to believe that their countries have innate technological
superiority and are basically invincible on all fronts.