Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18

diabetus wrote:I hope they are very careful about neutralizing all AT weapons where t-62s will be used

calripson wrote:The textbook case of air superiority was the First Gulf War. Hundreds of aircraft were used in a carefully orchestrated attack to suppress what was at the time a very large air defense network with multiple redundancies and hundreds of SAM launchers and hundreds of aircraft. Only one allied aircraft was lost to air -to-air combat (an F-18 shot down by a Mig 25). 51 fixed winged aircraft and 23 helicopters were lost primarily to AAA and manpads. The successful suppression dependent upon five key technological advantages:

1. The use of stealth technology aircraft
2. The superiority of the coalition in ECM/ECCM, radar, and avionics
3. Superior technological situational awareness via space, air, and land-based means
4. Secure communication channels and the ability to intercept and decrypt enemy communications
5. Strikes with cruise missiles against high value targets

In the current Ukrainian conflict, it is likely that Russia does not enjoy superiority in number 3 or 4 over NATO supported Ukraine and has limited ability in factor 1. Even using legacy Soviet systems, it is apparent that Ukraine is being aided in factor 2 also. Only in factor 5 does Russia actually surpass Western militaries. The end result is Russia does not have air dominance. The entire Western (and Israeli) model of war depends 100% on air dominance. Thus, it is not surprising given the resources devoted to this end that they have very advanced systems. The root origin of this dominance is superiority in microelectronics dating back decades. Stealth technology was of course invented (in terms of the mathematical algorithms) in the USSR - idiotically published in open-source documents - and developed and matured in the West.

diabetus wrote:

Backman wrote:

Ispan wrote:Alleged to be from Kherson, T-62 tanks marching to the front, notice, five wheels

https://t.me/swodki/110426?single
to see them on the Donbass front.

The second biggest army in NATO has 1500+ M-60 Patton tanks in service with some deployed to Syria right now.

So the whole muh T-62 thing was a Western media con job

In all fairness though, those M60s are more advanced than any T-62M.

Backman wrote:

diabetus wrote:

Backman wrote:

Ispan wrote:Alleged to be from Kherson, T-62 tanks marching to the front, notice, five wheels

https://t.me/swodki/110426?single
to see them on the Donbass front.

The second biggest army in NATO has 1500+ M-60 Patton tanks in service with some deployed to Syria right now.

So the whole muh T-62 thing was a Western media con job

In all fairness though, those M60s are more advanced than any T-62M.

Grass is always greener bs. My neighbors beater is always better than my own beater.

diabetus wrote:

Backman wrote:

diabetus wrote:

Backman wrote:

Ispan wrote:Alleged to be from Kherson, T-62 tanks marching to the front, notice, five wheels

https://t.me/swodki/110426?single
to see them on the Donbass front.

The second biggest army in NATO has 1500+ M-60 Patton tanks in service with some deployed to Syria right now.

So the whole muh T-62 thing was a Western media con job

In all fairness though, those M60s are more advanced than any T-62M.

Grass is always greener bs. My neighbors beater is always better than my own beater.

ok remind me which T-62M has a pretty modern FCS and at least thermal optics for the gunner?

TMA1 wrote:The Turks upgrading the t60 tanks is like the t72 thanks being upgraded. The use of old tank stockpiles is only logical if you wish to save funds and stockpiles of better equipment, particularly if these will be used against lesser equipped enemies.

Why you guys seething about it anyways? Go back to f-16.net if you are truly bothered. Oh that's right you would be banned for saying anything not conforming to their hugbox forum views. You come here to discuss in nuance and go back to Reddit tier hive minds for comfort.

caveat emptor wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

The MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) is a surface-to-surface missile (SSM) manufactured by the U.S. defense company Lockheed Martin. It has a range of up to 190 miles
(310 km) ,[7] with solid propellant, and is 13 feet (4.0 m) high and 24 inches (610 mm) in diameter.

The ATACMS can be fired from multiple rocket launchers, including the M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS), and M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS). An ATACMS launch container has a lid patterned with six circles like a standard MLRS rocket lid.

It was already stated by US multiple times, that Ukraine will not get ATACMS.

Backman wrote:This Fighter Bomber telegram channel is posting all of a Frog foot crews gear for all to see. Is this legal ? He shouldn't be doing this.

He probably doesn't even know that American sanctions autists are gonna go through every item and make propaganda out of it.

https://t.me/fighter_bomber/7447?single

calripson wrote:The textbook case of air superiority was the First Gulf War. Hundreds of aircraft were used in a carefully orchestrated attack to suppress what was at the time a very large air defense network with multiple redundancies and hundreds of SAM launchers and hundreds of aircraft. Only one allied aircraft was lost to air -to-air combat (an F-18 shot down by a Mig 25). 51 fixed winged aircraft and 23 helicopters were lost primarily to AAA and manpads. The successful suppression dependent upon five key technological advantages:

1. The use of stealth technology aircraft
2. The superiority of the coalition in ECM/ECCM, radar, and avionics
3. Superior technological situational awareness via space, air, and land-based means
4. Secure communication channels and the ability to intercept and decrypt enemy communications
5. Strikes with cruise missiles against high value targets

In the current Ukrainian conflict, it is likely that Russia does not enjoy superiority in number 3 or 4 over NATO supported Ukraine and has limited ability in factor 1. Even using legacy Soviet systems, it is apparent that Ukraine is being aided in factor 2 also. Only in factor 5 does Russia actually surpass Western militaries. The end result is Russia does not have air dominance. The entire Western (and Israeli) model of war depends 100% on air dominance. Thus, it is not surprising given the resources devoted to this end that they have very advanced systems. The root origin of this dominance is ***superiority in microelectronics*** dating back decades. Stealth technology was of course invented (in terms of the mathematical algorithms) in the USSR - idiotically published in open-source documents - and developed and matured in the West.

PapaDragon wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:3. To justify the procurement of T-14 and Armata family and T-90s and other of the latest in miltary technology the vast Cold War era armor parks may be being emptied out....

Been saying this for a while, endless stores of Soviet era equipment have been massive cockblock for any procurement of new vehicles

Introduction of new Kamaz trucks was a colossal bureaucratic and institutional slog that took over a decade to happen because both brass and bean counters didn't want to switch

It's even worse with tanks and IFVs so now they are sending and giving away everything with "Made in USSR" label (hell, anything not made in this century in some cases)

T-14 will never get introduced in full until they get rid of the old stuff

PapaDragon wrote:
T-62s are going to the locals, they never stopped using them

Don't confuse Republicans with Russian Army, different supply chains