Russian special military operation in Ukraine #19

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Zoka closed the account in twitter. He was very upset that Russia had left the Snake Island and the general situation at the front and the slow progress of the Russians, according to him. At least that's what he wrote today.

Arrow wrote:A shot of Ch 22 before the impact on Kremenchuk

This one is exactly here:


So in other words, it hit a factory/warehouse, about 300m north of the mall.

Were there two or three missiles?

The other one I've seen hit the railyard just north of the Amstor building (<100m), but I saw some indications yesterday that a 3rd one hit a factory building a couple of hundred meters northwest of it too, not sure though.

Anyway, it was obvious from the very beginning that any damage to the mall was unintentional. The unhinged talk from UA officials (incl Zelensky himself) was ridiculous and outright deceitful, but western media and officials lapped it up and relayed it without an ounce of critical thinking or analysis. As usual.

And that "1000 people trapped inside" buzz phrase could have been debunked by simply looking at the damn thing. The building covers 1ha and is (was) crammed with small shops and narrow hallways. If it had 1000 people in it, it would have been so packed one could hardly move in there.

...and the death toll from the fire would have been a wee bit higher than 18 people or whatever, so to speak. Let alone if it had been a *deliberate direct hit* with a one metric ton HE warhead, as the Ukrainians immediately claimed.

edit: To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if half of the shops in there were closed anyway. The business situation is shit on all fronts.

Arrow wrote:Zoka closed the account in twitter. He was very upset that Russia had left the Snake Island and the general situation at the front and the slow progress of the Russians, according to him. At least that's what he wrote today.

People are pissed in Russia

For me the thing is, Putin took it on the chin to satisfy the general staff request

It wasn't the military that wanted to hold it

They want to consolidate and focus on the task

So it's a political hit for the sake of military objectives

Putin wouldn't have authorized it without the request coming from military leadership

Whole propaganda wing of Ru MoD needs to be purged. Bunch of idiots work there. Better put in charge somebody competent instead of idiots that work there now.

Ukrainians sending freshly donated TB-2s on suicide missions all day long will eventually make the AD assets run out, to replenish them again and again eventually becomes pointless. Furthermore, it's a static target with nowhere to shelter properly, within artillery range. I understand the decision.

It is strategically insignificant for both parties, but a propaganda thing for UA (given the "backstory"/mythos, and how bad things are going elsewhere) and for RU it was about denying them this. Now it appears the latter decided to be more pragmatic about it.

No doubt will UA go bananas about this great "victory" and possibly attempt some Iwo Jima-style stunt, but they'll be sitting ducks there even more so than the Russians, and the previous meat grinder will resume. Not that it matters to Zelensky.

Given the high likelihood of Western donated artillery being involved in recent attacks on the island, that much is clear. They're being mauled on the actual fronts, but this was a bigger priority - dispatching them to fire at an island that poses no offensive threat.

caveat emptor wrote:Whole propaganda wing of Ru MoD needs to be purged. Bunch of idiots work there. Better put in charge somebody competent instead of idiots that work there now.

Why? The Kremlin is saying openly what it wants

Peskov speaks Putins thoughts

They want peace with Ukraine

-144 banderites exchanged

- zmeiny vacated for goodwill

It's not a joke or a meme or trolling


The president clarified that while the goals stay the same, the tactics used to achieve them may change according to what the military considers appropriate. However, he insisted that “everything is going according to plan.”

“Nothing has changed,” Putin insisted, saying the final goal is “to liberate Donbass, to protect these people and to create conditions that would guarantee the safety of Russia itself. That’s it.”

Arrow wrote:Zoka closed the account in twitter. He was very upset that Russia had left the Snake Island and the general situation at the front and the slow progress of the Russians, according to him. At least that's what he wrote today.

SHE was probably tired of the charade - and with that I mean her own little circus act.

She posted a picture of herself (no face reveal) holding a thermometer yesterday or the day before with a backdrop of some famous sites in Mostar.

Turned out your favorite go to guy is a fat (painted fingernails, fingers like sausages) middle aged woman. I admire her for taking the step though, keeping up this fake alter ego must have become a terrible drag.

Her critical attitude is also praiseworthy. She got more critical thinking skills and introspection than half of the membership here combined.

Arrow wrote:Zoka closed the account in twitter. He was very upset that Russia had left the Snake Island and the general situation at the front and the slow progress of the Russians, according to him. At least that's what he wrote today.

I follow him too. She was freaking out because of the island of snakes that I questioned the importance several times, since it adds little and is an easy target.
As for the slowness of operations, this is clearly deliberate for many reasons. The main one is the political attrition of Western leaders and financial pressure due to the conflict. Putin is a strategist. He knows what he's doing.

Let's see how long Western governments will throw money into this bottomless bag.

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Arkanghelsk wrote:

Why? The Kremlin is saying openly what it wants

Peskov speaks Putins thoughts

They want peace with Ukraine

-144 banderites exchanged

- zmeiny vacated for goodwill

It's not a joke or a meme or trolling

I am talking about MoD. Propaganda war proves much more important than ever before. Every time information about exchanges gets disclosed by Ukrainians and then Russian side tries to do damage control and explaining. It is completely irrelevant what we on the forum think.
But, it doesn't sit good with population. And it happens time and time again. Many journalists and bloggers point out same thing.
Same way they had to adjust to realities of war on the ground and shake things up, they should shake things up on the propaganda end as current people are completely inept and out of their depth.

sundoesntrise wrote:

SHE was probably tired of the charade - and with that I mean her own little circus act.

She posted a picture of herself (no face reveal) holding a thermometer yesterday or the day before with a backdrop of some famous sites in Mostar.

Turned out your favorite go to guy is a fat (painted fingernails, fingers like sausages) middle aged woman. I admire her for taking the step though, keeping up this fake alter ego must have become a terrible drag.

Her critical attitude is also praiseworthy. She got more critical thinking skills and introspection than half of the membership here combined.

It was known she was a girl. For some years already. Maybe many people didn't know since number of her followers ballooned.

Usual suspects desperately trying to keep the sheep in check... it's hilarious how blatant it's. There is no way no how any of the clowns here will be able to damage control a half-assed deal after the Donbass is liberated... they'll definitely try, orders will come down from the top hard and fast... but no matter how much you try to dress and beautify a pig, it's still a pig. Better hope that day doesn't come cause, for at least a week, the sheep won't be controllable and it's gonna be a wasteland thrashing of glorious magnitude. If I were the clowns, I would start by creating effigies with which to pray to Boris Johnson so that he continues to egg Zelensky to resist negotiations. It's the only way to keep "victory" away from jaws of defeat. It's comically sad. One thing is for certain, the online persona management business in Russia will experience a serious funding increase. At least someone's gonna be eating well.

ATLASCUB wrote:Usual suspects desperately trying to keep the sheep in check... it's hilarious how blatant it's. There is no way no how any of the clowns here will be able to damage control a half-assed deal after the Donbass is liberated... they'll definitely try, orders will come down from the top hard and fast... but no matter how much you try to dress and beautify a pig, it's still a pig. Better hope that day doesn't come cause, for at least a week, the sheep won't be controllable and it's gonna be a wasteland thrashing of glorious magnitude. If I were the clowns, I would start by creating effigies with which to pray to Boris Johnson so that he continues to egg Zelensky to resist negotiations. It's the only way to keep "victory" away from jaws of defeat. It's comically sad. One thing is for certain, the online persona management business in Russia will experience a serious funding increase. At least someone's gonna be eating well.  

You have reduced yourself to just obvious low level trolling and add nothing to the forum or any conversation.

Just saying trolls see only one thing its the door.

You want me to dissect today's news?

As if any of the dimwits would take that well... please. Plenty of experience here...

Just pointing the obvious, not my problem if you get upset. I do appreciate Putin's soft touch with the Kiev Junta... can't squeeze too hard can't you? Keep crying.

ATLASCUB wrote:You want me to dissect today's news?

As if any of the dimwits would take that well... please. Plenty of experience here...

Just pointing the obvious, not my problem if you get upset. I do appreciate Putin's soft touch with the Kiev Junta... can't squeeze too hard can't you? Keep crying.

It proves the one thing, there was never an intention to intervene in the first place

The SMO is a fluke of history

Deterrence should have worked, but it didn't, they kept building forces in the area of the JFO

The rest is history

Still Putin reiterates the same thing, the objectives are narrow

Yes people are mad- why wouldn't they be? Guys died, and sacrifices were made for fucking zombified Ukrainian population that obeyed the clown

Yes it's a known, they forced our hand-

There was no other option, occupying Ukraine is a no go, neither is regime change

What would it do? Throw a tantrum like the US , kill the leadership and what?

It's still a nazi country, and for the foreseeable future it will be

There is nothing Russia can do about it, except protect LDNR

Russia cannot occupy Ukraine, or manage it at this point in time-

And it was conceded the US won in 2014 with Maidan

But there is no surprise in anything you are saying-

You are a troll, only "revealing" what has been known for years

There is nothing Russia can do about it, except protect LDNR

Russia may disintegrate Ukraine and take over Donbass, Kharkiv region and all the south to Odessa. If he does not, he will lose and the problem will return with greater force.

Arrow wrote:

There is nothing Russia can do about it, except protect LDNR

Russia may disintegrate Ukraine and take over Donbass, Kharkiv region and all the south to Odessa. If he does not, he will lose and the problem will return with greater force.

No it won't happen

Look , they left Kiev, Zmeiny, and listen to Putin and Peskov

We are leaving Ukraine when this is finished, except LDNR

In the end, it proves that intervention was never on the cards, nor the plan

We never had the strength to change anything in Ukraine - the population is so indoctrinated and zombified , nothing would change killing zelensky and if we occupied it, we'd only **** ourselves up

We cannot exert influence in this area

We could have destroyed it all and left like USA does

But it wouldn't change a thing -

The focus is NSTC trade with Eurasia, Brics, and orientation to South

Ukraine is a fluke of history

You should be happy Arky, you're guaranteed to have plenty of work even if the SMO dies. Beats going to the front that's for sure, while still getting paid. You could say you're one of the lucky ones.

The sudden departure from the strategically placed Snake Island is a surprise BUT the occupiers of the completely exposed island is in for a tough time defending it. However the Russians did a much better job at it than the Ukrs and the Ukrs failed dismally in their attempts to retake it.

Perhaps there is another aspect that may come into play here pretty soon. I have a hunch that with the rout of the Ukrs in the Donbass, the Russians may start an offensive in the south towards Odessa. A land bridge to Transnistria will effectively cut Romania from Ukraine which will make Snake Island practically redundant for the Russians.

On the other hand - there is a lot of political play here involved as well

Firebird wrote:

nomadski wrote:




Island can be used to shelter ships from Harpoon , by putting up barrier on Island and ship hide behind it . Also shallow water next to Island can be used by Sub to hide from sonar and torpedo runs . Also put Azov Rats on Island as prisoner . Also heard yank hypersonic failed ! LOL

Re Yanks hypersonic attempts, I think its because their missile was shaped like a vagina.
Apparently an LG bacon lettuce tomato composed focus group decided the previous design looked like a dick... and therefore constituted "toxic masculinity".

Hopefully, Snake Island can now lure the Bandera-filth in, to be blitzed. As happened with the Kharkov retreat then move back forward.

Khakrov wasn't a feigned retreat, the russians pulled back to shorten their lines and have since not advanced.

That said, Ukraine is well aware the weakness of snake island, I imagine they won't really do anything with it

Mir wrote:The sudden departure from the strategically placed Snake Island is a surprise BUT the occupiers of the completely exposed island is in for a tough time defending it. However the Russians did a much better job at it than the Ukrs and the Ukrs failed dismally in their attempts to retake it.

Perhaps there is another aspect that may come into play here pretty soon. I have a hunch that with the rout of the Ukrs in the Donbass, the Russians may start an offensive in the south towards Odessa. A land bridge to Transnistria will effectively cut Romania from Ukraine which will make Snake Island practically redundant for the Russians.

On the other hand - there is a lot of political play here involved as well    

If the russians do plan to seize odessa, I doubt that will come before Khakrov.

Odessa would be a long long march.

Also Snake Island wasn't defendable at all, you need to control the coastline to properly defend it.

Del

Arkanghelsk wrote:

No it won't happen

Look , they left Kiev, Zmeiny, and listen to Putin and Peskov

We are leaving Ukraine when this is finished, except LDNR

In the end, it proves that intervention was never on the cards, nor the plan

We never had the strength to change anything in Ukraine - the population is so indoctrinated and zombified , nothing would change killing zelensky and if we occupied it, we'd only **** ourselves up

We cannot exert influence in this area

We could have destroyed it all and left like USA does

But it wouldn't change a thing -

The focus is NSTC trade with Eurasia, Brics, and orientation to South

Ukraine is a fluke of history

After so much blood spilled, and break with the west and sanctions, to leave like that wouldn't amount to much more than defeat. They, at least have to keep what they took. Why give out passports to people of Zaporozhie and Kherson and talk about referendum? Concern is that they didn't do same in parts of Kharkov oblast they took over. Returning those parts to Ukraine will further alienate pro-Russian population in the country. Obviously, to take city of Kharkov and other parts of the South and East, they will need more soldiers on the ground.

Obviously, to take city of Kharkov and other parts of the South and East, they will need more soldiers on the ground. wrote:

It will be difficult without universal mobilization