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    Post  flamming_python 06/07/22, 10:10 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Mir wrote:
    Already posted in Post number 80 in this thread.

    Quite funny thing for me is that during the covid scam you detested and questioned everything the West had to offer, but with this conflict you seem to back the western propaganda (like The Sun!) without any questions at all!? Laughing

    You keep on pushing Russian tactics as outdated and slow - but hey just look at the wonderful tactics the Ukers are employing against the Russians - by attacking and killing civilians with their western supplied wunderwaffe. Yeh rather post Uker propaganda than the rout that's currently going on in the Donbass.

    What ever Russian tactics are in this war, we see that Ukrainians can't even organise proper retreat without getting their forces under fire.

    Filming their HIMARS being used on roads is not smart move. If they value those systems, they should keep them at utmost secrecy. Reminds me of Syrian TOW videos. Probably same purpose too. As I've said before, at some stage these launchers will be parked and they will be destroyed. Not that we will know about it like most of the warehouse hits. **** knows what is there.

    The Ukraine is prepared to sacrifice their men, equipment and tactical sense in considerable numbers just for those juicy 'propaganda victories', as their Hollywood masters taught them. Hell their whole political leadership is composed of showmen.

    You're exactly right, showing off equipment like this on roads or anywhere easily identifiable, will lead to those locations being geo-located and then perhaps the equipment being found in real-time on the move.

    Let them at it.

    The only thing that bothers me are those people still falling for it like Vann7 or having their spirits crushed. Ohhhh nooooo the Ukrs still have HIMARS systems and look how brazen enough they are to use them in the open like that!
    Yeah, there is a reason why proper armies will do things differently. Including the same Russian military which doesn't pump out even 5% of the vids that the Ukrainian one does.

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    Post  d_taddei2 06/07/22, 10:20 pm

    franco wrote:
    Suspect the Donetsk and Luhansk regions GDP would only include those areas under Ukrainian control. Believe prior to 2014 Donetsk was the highest.

    Correct. Hence once Dontesk and Lugansk are fully liberated and rebuilt those areas should be at least on par with pre 2014 if not better.

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    Post  GarryB 06/07/22, 10:35 pm

    The only thing that bothers me are those people still falling for it like Vann7 or having their spirits crushed. Ohhhh nooooo the Ukrs still have HIMARS systems and look how brazen enough they are to use them in the open like that!

    The most successful companies in the US MIC focus their money on their marketing departments... not R&D... the opposite of what Russian companies do...

    And it shows... I sometimes feel we should be getting a cut from Russian arms makers for sales to rest of the world countries for promoting their products... but really they sell themselves because they are affordable and they work... the only previous criticism was untested in battle... well that problem has been sorted out well and truely.

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    Post  flamming_python 06/07/22, 10:42 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:They won't stay on the front line long enough to be ground into dust

    They are running away even from seversk

    The Nazi officer corps is thinned out , because they are not even executing those who flee

    They feel that they can run away and avoid fighting

    So they will abandon their positions faster and faster

    The last places they will fight are new york and donetsk/avdeyevka fortified areas

    But they won't resist much in the north

    Both the Ukraine and Western media were building Lisichyansk into this new fortress where all the real defenses that were supposed to be in Severodonetsk actually are. That it would be an incredibly tough nut to crack

    When the news broke that Chechens were already in the centre of Lisichnyansk and the city had fallen to them and LNR forces; I didn't believe it. I thought it was just some PR thing; that the city was contested and allied forces had simply taken a couple of districts.
    But no, actually turned out that the town was taken in 1-2 days and the Ukrainians are in full retreat

    So I can easily imagine things snowballing from here. Western propaganda and on the ground realities are now in complete desync with each other. They would not have promoted Lisichyansk as the next place for a tenacious defense if they didn't expect one to take place for a least a week or so.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 07/07/22, 12:42 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡DPR forces liberated the village of Spornoye, the Headquarters of the Territorial Defense of the DPR reported

    This is lisichansk-toshkovka analogue, remember taking lisichansk meant taking smaller towns around it, toshkovka was first to fall in south east

    Spornoye is that town to the bakhmut agglomeration, so they are choking bakhmut , spornoye is on the key road feeding seversk from bakhmut

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    Post  ludovicense 07/07/22, 12:52 am

    Belisarius wrote:🇷🇺❗Report from the front:

    ▪Russian Aerospace Forces attacked the point of temporary deployment of a motorized infantry battalion in Kharkov, up to 100 nationalists were destroyed;

    ▪The Russian Aerospace Forces with high-precision missiles destroyed two launchers of the US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket system in the DPR;

    ▪A Russian Su-35 fighter shot down two Mi-24 helicopters and one Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force during an air battle in the Mykolaiv region;

    ▪The RF Armed Forces destroyed the S-300 guidance station and the point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in the Nikolaev region;

    ▪Russian air defense intercepted nine Ukrainian Tochka-U missiles in the Kherson region, the DPR and the LPR, as well as eight MLRS shells.
    https://t.me/intelslava/32641

    My God. Where do so many Ukrainian air force aircraft come from? Where are you hiding? The operation of an aircraft requires a whole complex set of support: fuel, maintenance, parts, adjustments, weapons,... how are you still managing all this?
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    Post  ludovicense 07/07/22, 12:56 am


    Gonzalo Lira
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    ▪Why the Russians will have to occupy the entirety of Ukraine — but won’t annex all of it.

    ▪Why the Zelensky goons will fight to the last Ukrainian — before they flee to the West.

    ▪Why Russia will occupy Ukraine for several years — before dismembering it.

    1/22


    https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1544591830834155522


    I don't know if anyone follows on twitter but I really like their analysis.... I recommend it. It is divided into 22 parts given the platform limitation

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    Post  Mir 07/07/22, 01:18 am

    ludovicense wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:🇷🇺❗Report from the front:

    ▪Russian Aerospace Forces attacked the point of temporary deployment of a motorized infantry battalion in Kharkov, up to 100 nationalists were destroyed;

    ▪The Russian Aerospace Forces with high-precision missiles destroyed two launchers of the US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket system in the DPR;

    ▪A Russian Su-35 fighter shot down two Mi-24 helicopters and one Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force during an air battle in the Mykolaiv region;

    ▪The RF Armed Forces destroyed the S-300 guidance station and the point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in the Nikolaev region;

    ▪Russian air defense intercepted nine Ukrainian Tochka-U missiles in the Kherson region, the DPR and the LPR, as well as eight MLRS shells.
    https://t.me/intelslava/32641

    My God. Where do so many Ukrainian air force aircraft come from? Where are you hiding? The operation of an aircraft requires a whole complex set of support: fuel, maintenance, parts, adjustments, weapons,... how are you still managing all this?

    That's the ONE THING with Soviet aircraft designs that separates it from Western aircraft. They are designed to operate from rough terrain - hence all the intake screens and mud clearing devices on the nose wheels of the Mig-29's and Su-27's for instance. Even heavy transport planes are capable of operating away from paved airstrips. The only issue is supplying these dispersed aircraft with fuel and ammo. The big problem however seems to be that the Ukrs can only use them for once-of suicide type missions as the Russians keep shooting them down.

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    Post  Erk 07/07/22, 02:37 am

    Ukraine told an international conference Monday, July 4, that it will cost an estimated $750 billion to rebuild the war-shattered country, a task President Volodymyr Zelensky said was the shared duty of the democratic world.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-estimates-cost-of-reconstruction-at-750-bn.html

    Exactly what would they reconstruct? Some railway power stations and warehouses.

    They would certainly not put any money into Donbass.

    Looks like the ultimate money laundering scam.

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    Post  Hole 07/07/22, 03:58 am

    Erk wrote:
    Ukraine told an international conference Monday, July 4, that it will cost an estimated $750 billion to rebuild the war-shattered country, a task President Volodymyr Zelensky said was the shared duty of the democratic world.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-estimates-cost-of-reconstruction-at-750-bn.html

    Exactly what would they reconstruct? Some railway power stations and warehouses.

    They would certainly not put any money into Donbass.

    Looks like the ultimate money laundering scam.

    Ukraine ceased to exist at the end of February. So where do they want to "invest" the money?

    One guy one Twitter made a funny comment. The Zelensky regime could move to Snake Island and turn it into some mini-Taiwan.  Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hole 07/07/22, 04:00 am

    dionis wrote:
    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20 - Page 7 Fw7apv10


    Where'd this particular map come from? Any way to access the original?


    Sorry man. Re-tweet of a re-tweet of... Can´t remember.  Supposedly Bakhmut is being passed and not liberated yet to close in faster on Kramatorsk.

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    Post  ALAMO 07/07/22, 04:59 am

    This pic smells fake from a mile.

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    Post  JohninMK 07/07/22, 05:17 am

    Sovereign state of Ukraine in 2023

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    Post  JohninMK 07/07/22, 05:21 am

    Pretty good given the industrialisation there.

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    An analysis of satellite images showed that under the control of Russia are fields where 28% of winter and 18% of spring crops are sown, including corn and sunflower.


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    Post  Hole 07/07/22, 05:56 am

    ALAMO wrote:This pic smells fake from a mile.
    Of course it is fake. That is the famous border post that these dudes set up in the middle of some forest in the Kharkov region.  Laughing

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 07/07/22, 06:25 am

    The special military operation is nothing short of a stunning success

    The speed of the operation has been excellent with all things considered

    Kiev, is basically untouched, people are shopping, kids in the street, people living their life

    This is unimaginable in 2003 Baghdad

    The VKS went out of their way, to purposefully leave civilian infrastructure intact

    For those who criticize Russia

    Think for a moment when in the history of war, has an aggressor , completely left the infrastructure of the so called enemy completely intact?

    Along with political buildings, leaders, civilians, water, electricity, internet

    It is because of the humanitarian nature of the operation, and the precise weapons of Russia that this operation was carried out this way

    The only other state who tries to act this way is Israel when it bombs military equipment and ammo in Syria, but even they in Gaza cannot match the Russian humanitarian operation

    Russia goes after exclusively military targets , targeting HIMARS, M177, PH2000, Caesar SPG, Tochka,  Buk, Tor, Starstreak and the like

    The fact Russia is winning with both hands tied behind its back in rules of engagement

    Speaks of the scale of Russian military power

    I doubt China could replicate this intervention in Taiwan

    And India can barely do it in Bakalot

    The US destroys everything wherever it goes

    Israel could not take southern Lebanon

    The fact is, no other state in the world can exercise this sort of power with the same level of restraint

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    Post  ALAMO 07/07/22, 06:50 am

    Hole wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:This pic smells fake from a mile.
    Of course it is fake. That is the famous border post that these dudes set up in the middle of some forest in the Kharkov region.  Laughing

    That makes me Captain Obvious then Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ludovicense 07/07/22, 08:16 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:


    I doubt China could replicate this intervention in Taiwan



    Israel could not take southern Lebanon


    I disagree with these 2 points. Israel can occupy all of Lebanon if it wanted to, but the cost is not worth the benefit.

    Taiwan is much smaller than Ukraine. A well-coordinated operation would lead to its defeat, given the firepower that China has.

    I consider the speed of operation to be a political issue, not a tactical-military one. Russia is wearing down Western leaders and economies. She could employ more speed by increasing her firepower and number of men.


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    Post  Hole 07/07/22, 08:16 am

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20 - Page 7 Fxah-h10
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20 - Page 7 Fxaign10
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    I guess these donations can be used with the french guns.

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    Post  kvs 07/07/22, 08:31 am

    JohninMK wrote:Pretty good given the industrialisation there.

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    An analysis of satellite images showed that under the control of Russia are fields where 28% of winter and 18% of spring crops are sown, including corn and sunflower.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW9nHiNXwAEl7mU?format=jpg&name=small

    "Previously occupied by Russia". Aside from the case of Crimea this claim is utterly absurd. The population of the Donbass
    was 7 million people with over 80% of them ethnic Russians. These F*CKING western degenerate make believe drivel spews
    are a clear sign of severe mental inadequacy. The notion of being able to create reality by claiming it is common among such
    inadequates.

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    Post  PapaDragon 07/07/22, 09:07 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Here is another one: If you are accused of some random bullshit by the enemies and media just go back and do it for real, you are already getting shit for supposedly doing it anyway so you might as well get some mileage out of it

    The problem is that if you actually do it then they can take that as proof you did it the first time they accused you.

    They can accuse you of fück all and prove just as much if you win

    Is Russia plan on losing?


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    Post  Arkanghelsk 07/07/22, 01:21 pm

    ludovicense wrote:

    I disagree with these 2 points. Israel can occupy all of Lebanon if it wanted to, but the cost is not worth the benefit.

    hezbollah ended that , and israel started hitting cities when the first battles ended badly

    Taiwan is much smaller than Ukraine. A well-coordinated operation would lead to its defeat, given the firepower that China has.

    China would have to employ a similar strategy to the one Russia is doing now, if they kill too many civilians it would go badly

    I consider the speed of operation to be a political issue, not a tactical-military one. Russia is wearing down Western leaders and economies. She could employ more speed by increasing her firepower and number of men

    it has nothing to do with manpower, Russia can reach Kiev in days , as everyone saw, the reason for leaving is the bloodbath of urban fighting for civilians, for the Donbass theres no other choice as the civilians are already subject to indiscriminate Ukrainian shelling, this is a police-hostage operation at the massive level

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 07/07/22, 01:25 pm

    🇷🇺🇮🇷🇨🇳 Russia, Iran and China will hold a series of military exercises in South America next August, specifically in Venezuela.
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    Russian military planes transported more than 500 paratroopers to this area, according to the reports.

    The purpose of this action is to tackle the threat posed by Turkish-backed armed groups who have staged attacks on the Syrian government's positions.

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    Russia doesn't have a manpower problem , Ukraine is a hostage situation

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    Post  Regular 07/07/22, 04:26 pm



    …thanks God I don’t support Ukraine, I would pull my hair out…

    PR stunt after PR stunt. It will cost them arm and leg

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