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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:40 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    Atlas clown, did the west foresee it or not ? No

    Did BoZo learn his lesson? I wonder, and what for the rest of the west?

    As I said, it appears that the US Government is intentionally driving inflation and food scarcity forward as fast as it can. Two interesting monologues for you.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/07/06/no-national-politician-will-go-there-however-at-least-tucker-carlson-does/

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/07/06/sky-news-rowan-dean-draws-the-connection-between-justin-trudeau-mark-rutte-dutch-farm-protests-and-world-economic-forum-global-food-program/

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    Post  dionis Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:06 pm

    Does anyone know if there's a large and/or more updated version of this somewhere?

    Best map of the order of battle I have seen thus far...

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:20 pm

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    I remember once, Vann decided Russia should be run by a GERMAN instead of Putin.
    I think that just about sums the poster up.

    Additionally, I remember some utterly vile posts from the poster with a defence of Nazi wartime atrocities and a general "sympathy" for Nazism.

    Accordingly, when I see a giant chunk of text attacking anything Russian, its a pretty huge probability its something from that poster, and therefore something to skip past.

    Vann sounds like a 16 year old Ukropian. Out of curiousity I once joined chat ruletka and chose Ukropistan. Their beloved phrases are Salo Kokaine and "Believe me..." He probably believes in Russian Horde raiding for toilettes.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he has some *enko family name and believes he is Ukrainian.

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:57 pm

    Belisarius wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇲⚡Local channels report the destruction of the American installation of the M142 HIMARS MLRS in Artemovsk

    The information is positive, but requires confirmation.
    https://t.me/intelslava/32624

    🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇲⚡The Russian army destroyed 2 US-made HIMARS multiple rocket launchers and two ammunition depots for them, - Russian Defense Ministry

    https://t.me/intelslava/32639


    And this is another of Russia major problems , and Historical one ,that Russia ALWAYS had..
    Everyone knows Russian army is strong and very capable to win wars ,with weapons that just work and can do the job right?

    However....

    Is the INFERIOR QUALITY and Low efficiency of their AIRFORCE performance in the use of advanced precision weapons , with real time recording of their combat operations.

    For the low IQ people in forum , that usually come in defense of the poor performance of Russian airforce ,and artillery too .  here is a fact for you..


    As important it is to destroy the enemy hardware to win wars

    [At the same time is not less important ,specially in the digital internet era to provide quality information


    Why Information ,Matters? and the Quality of Information
    Because Quality information released into the Pubic can help significantly to demoralize your enemies
    into continue fighting. If they see videos of how their troops are smashed from above in full details ,with their soldiers in panic.  And here is where Russia performance in documenting their victories ,in videos have been very mediocre , very poor ,almost a disaster. Only about 1% of the videos (or less) that the Russian military release ,shows Russian airforce destroying ukranian positions , in details ,
    and how they running in panic for their lives..

    Quality pictures in wars  DOES MATTER , Specially Factual Information , but is not less true that propaganda at times could also help   too ,if used in the correct time , in the correct place ,if can influence the enemy to surrender from fighting or abandon their positions if they feel , is hopeless to fight.

    And This is One of Russian military HUGE problems , how poor , how inferior is the quality of their information ,about their victories of 99% of their operations in Ukraine . It means that Russian victories , most times ,fails in gaining momentum , in demoralizing Ukranian soldiers , and the end result is vast majority of ukrainian army ,they don't surrender at all ,unless they are in pocket ,surrounded and of munition . Means that Russia military have failed miserably in inflict fear on those that are fighting ,Ukrainians don't fear the Russian army , thanks to NATO superior information war ,that they have , thanks to their far superior surveilance of Ukraine territory , thanks to their far superior Quality images of their drones and missiles , thanks to their superior use of Drones.

    So now Russia Bluff , in claiming they destroyed any Himars at all..  and because Russia can't proof this , with irrefutable evidence , since the Russian army don't fight 99% of the time ,with more advanced high precision weapons , perhaps ,because all those weapons are very limited in Russia inventory and use heavily  American or Japanese electronics ,since they can do it themselves..


    So all this weakness of Russia ,in  high tech electronics , is what cause Russia army
    to depend so much in old artillery and with inferior quality toy like drones , that produce very low quality images ,that shows the inferior technology russia is using vs NATO, to produce Information of their fighting , that they could have been using to discourage Ukraine army to continue using artillery against Russia , knowing it will be destroyed fast  [size]

    It means in wars , Perception IS everything..  It can be the difference between , a well motivated army vs a very demoralized army. And if Russia had videos , in detail , how Russia was smashing
    Himars positions ,with those soldiers fleeing in panic , then you bet , Kiev will know , Himars are not the game changing weapon, that will defeat Russia. and even better. Soldiers operating himars ,will refuse to fight , knowing Russia airforce or Russian strike drones will find them if they fire missiles.



    So this is the problem with Russian military general staff ,is full of incompetence , idiots that don't understand anything about information war ,about psicological warfare,  how the quality of the information they release can make a Huge Difference , in the morale of their enemies . That is not only important to defeat Ukraine army.. but also  HOW THEY DO IT , matters even more. specially in the digital era of the internet .  Because images do have an influence on soldiers morale , and if they see in videos ,
    irrefutable evidence ,that even their best weapons are easily smashed by Russian airforce.. in high quality videos , and as much details of the destruction as possible , with artillery operators soldiers fleeing in panic , then this documented High quality information , will make all operators of artillery ,
    specially himars to refuse orders to fight , wary about their lives..

    Here is the "success" of the himars attack operation.. People question at all if that ever happened,
    if there is no visible evidence , then the morale damage multiplier is lost  . Even if in the end
    Russia wins the war , this does not change the fact ,that they had to drag their feets in ukraine ,
    for how inefficient they were fighting , specially Russian airforce very bad , that still can control the airspace of kharkiv a city right next to Russian borders  Shocked  , unbelievable but true.  

    Fact Or Fiction? Putin’s Forces Say US HIMARS Destroyed In Ukraine, Kyiv Calls It Fake



    So pictures speak betters than a thousands of words ,and this is how information warfare should be done , not the Russian way.. but the Azerbaijan way.


    Video even have warnings ,for the lots of armenians soldiers smashed to pieces.




    All this attacks were 100% correct, filmed by turkish and israel drones . The armenian and nagorno army were smashed very fast ,  TRENCH WARFARE DOES NOT WORK AT ALL , when you have the correct weapons TRUE high precision weapons and in plenty of quantities.  Trench warfare only
    works against soviet era hardware , that lacks of the precision need for such kind of war  ,   as azerbaijan did it against Russia and Armenia. that even Iskanders were destroyed.  No


     And information like this , IS what made the Armenian and allied forces ,to flee in panic
    from the frontline , and capitulate to the Azerbajian military ,and give away a lot of land..
    This is the major humiliation to the Russian military ever , because Russian military private contractors army contrary to what fools in this forums claimed was there too helping and got smashed with the armenian army , including TORS operators smashed , with their attempts to escape ,and painful deaths recorded in camera in details.


    Until now, have only seen a handful of videos , showing how the Russian military defeats the Ukranian army in full details with the soldiers running in panic and all recorded from the safety of a drone . The best one was , the recording of ukranian army escaping the last city they captured ,with ukie soldiers on foot escaping. But this happened 120 days later of Russian invasion of ukraine.  Shocked  When this kind of information should be frequent every day , or at least every week , provide an hour of ukraine army defeats in full quality images for demoralization of the enemy. This kind of documented high detail information  is extremely important, because it could help , create a momentum , a multiplying force , if convince the ukranian army to surrender.. But contrary to what you believe , Russia information warfare have been a total disaster , 99% of the entire war.  So this is the reason why so few ukranian soldiers defect to Russian side or surrender when they are not encircled. and their only complains are , about how Russia outguns them ,and not the fighting against Russia.

    Perception is everything , when an enemy leadership is convinced they have no chance to win  ,they will surrender. and the only way Russia have done this is when they encircle ukranians ,and they have no food left. means the ukranian army Don't fear the Russian army at all . and this is bad. consequence of the very poor information warfare Russia release of their strikes on ukraine..  information that shows weakness in Russian capabilities in documenting their own operations.. way inferior to the quality released by Ukranians..  videos don't win wars , never said that . but they can make a huge difference in demoralizing an army ,to want to stop fighting. and make wars very short and not long.

    When it comes to himars destruction , now that is in question , because Outdated russia don't document in details their operations , they use soviet era cameras , for that it looks. But even if
    that was true , and an himars destroyed? still that doesn't change the fact, that russia ruined an opportunity ,to humiliate and demoralize those claiming that those weapons will be the ones ,that will be game changing for ukraine in the war.

    In ending..
    I don't think anyone in  the west expected Ukraine to win in a war against Russia ,is a much bigger nation with more man power ,and more weapons . But so far the performance of Russian military in ukraine have been very far from impressive. in the first 3 months was actually very mediocre combat capabilities.. And hopefully everyone will see the big elephant in the room.. The colossal failure of Russian airforce. abismaly bad..  Su-30 ,Su-35 ,Su-27, Su-34 , next to useless. That's why you see very few videos of them , after they began to be shotdown. sometimes 2 jets in one day.
    and the fact that Super power Russia , have been unable to control the airspace of kharkiv, a city right next to Russian borders , after 4 months of war .. is amazingly bad. scream paper tiger army.
    because Ukriane is a third world nation , is not NATO.. and they were even pushed back from that fortified city.  Russia will need to completely back to the drawing board and only use stealth planes with produce a lot of smart fire and forget missiles , and mass produce strike drones like there is no  tomorrow . and  will also need to significantly improve their electronics and produce high definition y images of the battles in their frontlines. All this things are  important.. Much more in the era of internet than ever .To avoid this problems they facing in ukraine ,that have been dragging their feet in ukraine for most of the time.. None of this trench warfare tactics ,ever would have been used by NATO ,if they knew Russia had plenty of ultra precision smart missiles like the ones more modern airforce use in combat frequently. that fully document what they hit.. in details.
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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:00 pm

    dionis wrote:Does anyone know if there's a large and/or more updated version of this somewhere?

    Best map of the order of battle I have seen thus far...

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20 - Page 9 GSEZCIS

    Would be even better with more numbers and letters to know what we are looking at.

    Ukrainians seem to be tremendously outnumbering russian forces. IMO if they really want Odessa and link Transnistria through land thry will have to mobilize another 200k soldiers. The further they go, the monger the supply lines and the easier it is to attack their troops. Keeping going with low numbers of troops will make it very difficult and suicidal for them.

    PS: I think russians have some mistake in ukrainian fprces positions. They have sent everything they had and most of the ukrainian positions on this map must be empty of soldiers.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:03 pm

    ludovicense wrote:
    Gonzalo Lira
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    Thread:

    ▪Why the Russians will have to occupy the entirety of Ukraine — but won’t annex all of it.

    ▪Why the Zelensky goons will fight to the last Ukrainian — before they flee to the West.

    ▪Why Russia will occupy Ukraine for several years — before dismembering it.

    1/22


    https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1544591830834155522


    I don't know if anyone follows on twitter but I really like their analysis.... I recommend it. It is divided into 22 parts given the platform limitation

    yep.. hopefully the ignorants who said Russia can do a cease of fire and be happy with lip service
    of zelensky , that they will "be neutral" and no longer will join NATO will be enough for Russia.

    Russia will need to occupy F O R E E V E R Ukraine, even after the war Ends.. demilitarize in full , send nazis out of ukraine ,and kick zelensky and its parliament and defeat all military in ukraine. It will be like Israel in palestine. That they occupy those lands forever ,and use their airforce from time to time to strike at any new place they discover storage of missiles. and little by little anex the territory long term. First under a protectorade of a new country , later integrated ,after population agree with it.
    Russia needs to fully disarm ukraine 100% of it. before a world war 3 with NATO start. otherwise , it would force them to divert part of their military to ukraine . So army deployed in ukraine is an army russia can't use against NATO in another frontline , like baltics ,turkey or kalingrad. So all ukraine needs to be 100% removed any medium and heavy weapon , anti tanks , manpads , artillery ,air defenses , missiles , electronic warfare. before the any major Big war with NATO start. otherwise it will not be able to focus all their forces in NATO ,that is a much bigger and powerful army. This is one reason why is possible that NATO will provoke another war somewhere else , Transnistria ,serbia , or restart armenia and syria war. before starting a major war in kalingrad or belarus with Russia.

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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:26 pm

    Mi-8 witv some sort of sonar which weired. This role is normally done by ka-27s from the navy.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:27 pm

    Russia hasn't really started anything yet – Putin

    The president cautioned Russia’s rivals against attempting to defeat it on the battlefield



    If the West’s goal was to provoke a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, it has evidently succeeded in that, Putin admitted. On the strategic level, however, the West already lost when Moscow launched its military operation in Ukraine, Putin stated.

    They should have realized that they had already lost from the very beginning of our special military operation, because its beginning also means the beginning of a complete breakdown of the American world order. 

    The president added that the ongoing breakdown “cannot be stopped.”

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:45 pm

    https://thesaker.is/the-art-of-lying/
    How western media works.

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:10 pm

    ludovicense wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:


    I doubt China could replicate this intervention in Taiwan



    Israel could not take southern Lebanon


    I disagree with these 2 points. Israel can occupy all of Lebanon if it wanted to, but the cost is not worth the benefit.

    Taiwan is much smaller than Ukraine. A well-coordinated operation would lead to its defeat, given the firepower that China has.

    I consider the speed of operation to be a political issue, not a tactical-military one. Russia is wearing down Western leaders and economies. She could employ more speed by increasing her firepower and number of men.


    Don't waste your time with that fool.
    He live in alternative universe .

    In israel war with lebanon 2006 Israel sent 10,000 soldiers first and up to 30,000 at the very end end. THey only lost 120 soldiers.. in one month of war ,while hezbolah lost about 720. and lost about a couple of dozen of tanks. to Russian kornets that still today can be lethal against tanks.
    This is a far cry from Russia that lost 1,000 soldiers in just the first two weeks of war.

    This is a far cry of Russia losses , of near 1500- 2,000 soldiers killed in the first month of war alone in Ukraine. and in the first week of war ,there was hundreds of armor and tanks defeated by ukraine military. entire columns of russian armor destroyed in kherson. and while the wars can't be compared at all , the size of the war are much bigger in ukraine. it also shows that Israel casualties even when caught by surprise by hezbolah tactics and weapons they did not knew they had ,were very small. and could continue easily fighting , since only lost a hundred of soldiers.

    In that fight Israel could not continue fighting , because of the pressure of European Union ,France ,US and UK. it was diplomatic pressure from the west that forced israel to stop the invasion . they paid israel a lot of billions for their cooperation . And because they likely told that there was plans to completely erase lebanon from the map by NATO ,without their interference. Even neyanyahu was bragging about this ,that lebanon in near future was going to cease to exist.. but nobody knew what was the meaning of that..


    So why Israel leave lebanon.. it was not because they were losing at all.. they have very few casualties. Instead it was because of Diplomatic pressure from NATO + Bribery + the promise they made to israel ,that they will take care of lebanon and erase it from the map. This was in 2006 and anyone want to guess what happened just 5 years later by coincidence?

    The arab spring in 2011 ,with the syrian war.. that major civil protest financed by US NED ngos , created the pretext for NATO interference in Syria , for human rights.. followed by a huge army of Alqaeda and ISIS invasion from Turkey and IRAQ respectively that nearly over run all of Syria.
    So had Russia did not interfere in Syria , ISIS would have completely over run Syria and after there take Lebanon ,which hezbolah would have no chance to counter.. and after syria , IRAQ and IRAN captured next, with NATO proxy jihadist armies help.
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    The "Bye Bye Boris" music was a nice touch. Yea the British public hate him so good riddance.

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:34 pm

    limb wrote:

    A search on Google shows only pictures of the Dana M2. The cabin of the truck is too tall and looks too big in comparison with the turret. The window us far too big too.
    , And the chassis is too short. Theres no chassis visible after the "turret".This therefore looks like a poorly made mockup  which ironically worked. Russians should use something better than 80s  quality cameras. A krasnopol was wasted on a junk truck.

    I bet you believe in the story of 2 pzh2000s captured.


    Indeed this is a huge problem.
    The outdated Russia , being Russia , doing things the Russian soviet ways.
    With soldiers with dirty uniforms and poor equipment ,that works and does the job ,but as efficent
    and western alternatives.

    What the west will do is just send a strike drone with high quality videos and show in details how the
    artillery is destroyed . sometimes even the missiles armed with high quality cameras , for more morale psycological impact. In wars , perception do matters ,is when perception and morale very bad , when wars ends.

    There is a nice video in youtube that is about CIA Coups in latin america .
    and in one successful overthrow of a government , they faked a US military invasion in the country ,
    and used a paid journalist , speaking in an radio station detailing the (fake) invasion of american troops . And to make things more believable , there was dozens of american bombers flying about the capital ,dropping bombs in the capital of that country ,they knew had very outdated air defenses. In the end the propaganda worked ,and the military surrender without a fight ,without a land invasion , using just a staged event. pirat

    Only Russian military is the one ignorant of how important is information warfare ,how important it is.. it will work very well , regardless if the information is correct or fake.. but it had to be done at the right time . Providing false information however is a risk ,if later caught , because will damage credibility , so is better that Russia whenever they show the destruction of western hardware ,they fully document it ,with high quality cameras , to maximize the damage on enemies morale and desire to continue fighting Russia.

    But Outdated Russia can't do that , because Putin's distractions with gas station and olympics ,have ignored to invest seriously in advance electronic industry , and so for documenting their operations , in high quality cameras.. they need access to advanced electronics equipment that the west or its asian colonies only have , but Russia can't ,specially when under advance electronics sanctions.


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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:49 pm

    Regular wrote:

    …thanks God I don’t support Ukraine, I would pull my hair out…

    PR stunt after PR stunt. It will cost them arm and leg


    and where is the propaganda?

    1) Are you saying that US didn't gave Himars to Ukraine?

    2) Or are you saying that Ukraine don't use those given weapons on Russian positions?  Neutral

    Please elaborate and show evidence of your claims is fake , that ukraine is not using himars
    on Russian positions .  And using them instead of taking selfies in their iphones.  Rolling Eyes

    And there is propaganda in both sides.. Remember the "Accidental detonation of ammunition" claims
    by the propaganda in chief Shoigu? that downplayed the sinking of their best warship in black sea
    and fall short of blaming the bad weather for it ? Laughing

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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:12 pm

    I agree with Mercouris that it was the inflation that drove BoJo from office. The covid parties were a side show and the resignation letters
    of some key ministers clearly point to the handling of the economy. BoJo is actually keeping from the British public how bad things truly
    are. Westerners can't understand and accept just how important Russia is to the global economy.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:14 pm

    AZ military tweeted that the 144. Mot. Infantry Division is ready to go to Kharkov. Would be a nice move.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:34 pm

    Eurasia & Multipolarity

    Putin at a meeting with leaders of the State Duma factions: "Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield. What can I say here? Let them try! We have already heard a lot that the West wants to fight us to the last Ukrainian. It is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but it seems that this is where it is heading. But everyone should know that we, by and large, have not started anything seriously yet. At the same time, we are not rejecting peace negotiations, but those who are rejecting them should know that the further they go, the harder it will be for them to negotiate with us."

    Putin, continued: "We are told that we started the war in Donbass, in Ukraine. No! It was started by this very collective West that organised and supported the unconstitutional armed coup in Ukraine in 2014. And then encouraging and justifying genocide against people in Donbass. This collective West is the direct instigator and perpetrator of what is happening today.
    If this West wanted to provoke a conflict in order to move on to a new stage in the fight against Russia, to contain our country, then we can say that it has succeeded to a certain extent. And war has been unleashed, and sanctions have been imposed. Under normal circumstances it would probably have been difficult to do this. But they should have realised that they have already lost from the very beginning of our special military operation, because its beginning also means the beginning of a cardinal breakdown of the American world order."

    https://www.rt.com/russia/558593-putin-russia-hasnt-started-yet/

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:00 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:
    Yea the British public hate him so good riddance.

    Living here I would say that your comment is complete rubbish.

    Virtually everyone I know are sad to see him go. It was a baying mob that wanted him gone.

    To dump him without an obvious replacement is crazy politics, even for the Conservative Party.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:03 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:
    Yea the British public hate him so good riddance.

    Living here I would say that your comment is complete rubbish.

    Virtually everyone I know are sad to see him go. It was a baying mob that wanted him gone.

    To dump him without an obvious replacement is crazy politics, even for the Conservative Party.

    He shouldn't have imposed sanctions that destroyed his country, he's not the only one either

    He's the first of many that will go,

    Scholz will be offed in the winter

    As for Trudeau or Biden, I'm not sure who falls first,  for sure Biden will be a lame duck this election

    As for BoZo , why did he support the closure of NS2? sending prices sky rocketing for the world?

    Do westerners realize that oil prices are tied to a global benchmark? And if you cutoff supplies to a place like EU, you will create artificial supply gouging?

    And if supply is gouged and demand is high... the prices go higher?

    Whats the word again?... hyperinflation?

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    Post  VARGR198 Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:05 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:
    Yea the British public hate him so good riddance.

    Living here I would say that your comment is complete rubbish.

    Virtually everyone I know are sad to see him go. It was a baying mob that wanted him gone.

    To dump him without an obvious replacement is crazy politics, even for the Conservative Party.

    Well I'll agree to disagree with you on that as everyone I know is glad to see the back of the buffoon. No obvious replacement is true, but he was doing as bad a job as he could have dragging us back into the EU corner, and focusing more on the Kiev regime than on his own nation's interests. I'm just glad hes gone.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:12 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:
    Yea the British public hate him so good riddance.

    Living here I would say that your comment is complete rubbish.

    Virtually everyone I know are sad to see him go. It was a baying mob that wanted him gone.

    To dump him without an obvious replacement is crazy politics, even for the Conservative Party.

    He shouldn't have imposed sanctions that destroyed his country, he's not the only one either

    He's the first of many that will go,

    Scholz will be offed in the winter

    As for Trudeau or Biden, I'm not sure who falls first,  for sure Biden will be a lame duck this fall

    Sanctions destroyed the UK??? They have not had time to have any real impact yet, apart perhaps from car's fuel, but it will hit us hard pretty soon. Certainly too late to affect Boris. What we are suffering from mainly is the backwash from the gas price rises last year.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:15 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    Well I'll agree to disagree with you on that as everyone I know is glad to see the back of the buffoon.  No obvious replacement is true, but he was doing as bad a job as he could have dragging us back into the EU corner, and focusing more on the Kiev regime than on his own nation's interests. I'm just glad hes gone.

    He, like every other European leader was/is following orders that are against the interests of all their countries.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:18 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    He shouldn't have imposed sanctions that destroyed his country, he's not the only one either

    He's the first of many that will go,

    Scholz will be offed in the winter

    As for Trudeau or Biden, I'm not sure who falls first,  for sure Biden will be a lame duck this election

    As for BoZo , why did he support the closure of NS2? sending prices sky rocketing for the world?

    Do westerners realize that oil prices are tied to a global benchmark? And if you cutoff supplies to a place like EU, you will create artificial supply gouging?

    And if supply is gouged and demand is high... the prices go higher?

    Whats the word again?... hyperinflation?

    As in my reply above, he, like all the other Western leaders is following the US's orders, regardless of the adverse effect on their own countries.

    The word is not "hyperinflation" it is just inflation.

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