Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Images of bodies? Would I be allowed?

If you want to see the shelling I posted links

so what was the difference more Russian air force or more concentrated orcs?

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Am tired to talk of Kazakhstan in Ukraine forum

All I'm prepared to say is that it would be idiotic for Kazakhstan not to have good relations with both Russia and China. To align itself with the CIA would be disastrous for the Kazaks but unfortunately many politicians are more than willing to sacrifice their own people and the country for a couple of bags stuffed full of money.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Images of bodies? Would I be allowed?

If you want to see the shelling I posted links

so what was the difference more Russian air force or more concentrated orcs?

Man look at my links, from telegram

They knocked the power of Bakhmut

It looked like straight cluster salvos, or a shit ton of Grad and Uragan pummeled the city

They hit it with everything last night

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14384

Bodies of BBQ hohol

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14319

That ain't VKS, that's straight MLRS

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14303

This was Uragan

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14358

Krasnopol

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14365

That's Su34 with KAB 1500 but for bridges and more precise strike

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They are ripping the VSU a new asshole and it's not gonna stop after what they pulled on Kherson

Watch tonight, this shit is not stopping and is going on even right now going into evening

Into the AM, 24/7 , I have a feeling tochka U will enter the symphony soon

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/intelslava/32951

Relentless fire , this is 48 hours now without pause

But, but, but... Russia is running out of ammunition! 

Backman wrote:
Give me some names and models of Iranian drones.

Shahed 129, Shahed 149, Mohajer 6, Shahed 136, Kian 2. Iran has invested a lot in drone technology over the years and they've been testing what works and what doesn't for long time and in real conditions. Some of their designs are cheap and effective, others are pretty sophisticated. I don't see a problem if Russia buys several hundred to speed up demise of Ukr military.

kvs wrote:Strelkov appears to be one of the main chicken-little useful idiots for NATzO propaganda.   His bitching is being rebroadcast in the
NATzO media as "evidence" the effectiveness of HIMARS and the "failure" of the Russian army.    Girkin is a sore loser and nothing he
says can be treated as legitimate.  

Unmasking the clowns in the forum.

Hello chicken-little useful tard.  You are the one who have been Spreading BULLSHIT and Propaganda here. With  your claims that western media is all lies and anyone that claims Himars
are game changing weapon is Fake news..  

Lugansk Republic is now confirming what all western media was claiming , and making fun of  the destruction of Russian ammo depots and command centers.

Donbass republic says Ukraine hit ammo depot

Plenty of videos inside with evidence of ammo depots hit by himars.

“Our air defense engaged them and shut down all but one, which hit an ammo depot,” he told Russia’s TASS news agency. “The munitions caught fire, blew up and were scattered 1.5- 2km or even 3km away.”

https://www.rt.com/russia/558907-lugansk-attack-ammo-depot/

here is WESTERN MEDIA VIDEOS  ,that were correct..  of himars attack on Russian ammo depots..



Make no mistake , this is a catastrophic failure of Russia air defenses.. and is going to get WORSE.
This is what just less than a dozen of HIMARS can do..  imagine how much worse is going to be
when they provide twice the number of HIMARS or provide ATACMS with 300-500km range that can hit near moscow and can be armed with nukes?  

another issue is .
WHo was the Genius who taught was a good idea to store so many weapons in just one place?  
There should be generals kicked from the military for this disastrous mistake. Placing all eggs in one place .. Not even third world country ukraine do this . Never seen a video of Russia bombing any place that produce as much fireworks. Seems there was a LOT of weapons there.

Who is  the one now spreading fake news ?

The more interesting thing , is that according to Ukraine attack map of Russian positions ,
they only fired a dozen of missiles and not focused fire . and still managed to bomb many things
they intended with high precision.

How much you paid @KVS hypocrite , to be spreading fake news here ?

HIMARS are very effective , they destroyed Ammo Depots of Russia ,with high precision ,not only in lugansk but also in Kherson.. they claimed.. and show plenty of videos days ago .So it turned to be correct at least with lugansk ,but it would not be surprising if most of the attacks bypassed Russian defenses.. and they downplaying the magnitude of the damages .this was a really Good NATO operation..  So if Russian army can't handle tiny little ukraine ,with just 8 himars attacks.. How much worse it will be when they get more HIMARS missiles and they focus fire?

They could overwhelmn S-400s too , if they know is location.. that would be hillarius if happen.
so would put an end to the miss placed myth of Russia invincibility of its air defenses in the forums.

 All of RUssia airdefenses are covering Donbass, and none of them could shield Ukraine from just a dozen of air strikes ,   apparently and all of them were effective.. according to Ukraine sources..  But maybe that part is yet to be proven how many penetrated  Russian defenses or not..  apparently 3 generals killed , but there is no confirmation of this.. because there was command centers of Russian army also destroyed. they claim ,which could  be true.
 
Cruise  missiles are equally effective but with far more range , but they are far more expensive and they can't be produced in as much numbers ,as himars shells can.

Whatever it is.. what is clear is that RUssian generals are no longer safe in Ukraine , in the rear of the war.. any place is unsafe since they got this himars.. Ukraine will now get more HIMARS to increase the punishment on Russia.  The interesting part , is that Ukraine was not focusing their attacks on just one target.. but dozens of them instead.. So if Lugansk intercepted most attacks ,it means that more ammo depots/command centers/ would have been blow out.

So this is very bad. Russian army underestimated NATO himars capabilities.  They are very Good.
and only Propaganda Trolls like you , but also idiots with Putin's dick on his ass ,would claim otherwise.  Stop taking booster shots ,it seems they have making you claim stupid things lately.
Go back to your economy thread ,where your lies can be more easily spread , That Russia is not a gas station largely dependent economy  like its own economy minister told , because here is very obvious , the lies you are claiming don't work anymore.  

Now people in this forum ,would do great in ignoring this Parasites of Bullshit in the forum  ,aka
@KVS and @arkangel propaganda too..and others. This is why i hate propaganda from both sides..
You can discuss at all military if all you get is fake news from both sides. Interestingly the more fakes from Russian side come from forums like this because of stupid Fanboys with Putin's dick in their ass. because even RT is reporting this.  

But if it was for the @KVS rat ,   ,we would have never know of this ,because people like him ,full of shit , the truth doesn't matter for him. he only wants to Glorify Russia ,at any opportunity he can.    can't properly evaluate anything ,for being religious fanatics of Putin , that doesn't match reality.

The Good news in all this is that the Bullshitters are properly discredited ,and will now stay quiet , and that Russian military at least now knows , their weakness of their air defenses. And  that this is ONLY going to get A LOT WORSE,for Russia ,when more himars are deployed in Ukraine.. Congratulations for Russian airforce for not doing its job to smash Ukraine air defenses and artillery.
Russia airforce weakness in doing its job ,of smashing artillery ,now could force Russian army for a Full scale war in Ukraine to remove this HIMARS from Ukraine. Their bad tactics ,and very limited use of drones for destroying Ukraine artillery quick and fast, is the reasons Ukraine have now a weapon  ,that could give them comparable power of destruction with precision , with Russia cruise missiles strikes. But ukraine contrary to Russia can use far more than Russia ,because Americans had about 20,000 of them ,according to some reports.

The big question for @ARK  what happened to those 150km world records? Don't work with Himars?
Himars missiles were flying too low?     what is the excuse now? Everyone is talking about the massive failure of S-400s. Since Ukraine only launched near a Dozen of himars.. this is far from a saturation attack.         God have mercy of Russia. when NATO provide lots more Himars..  because Russian airforce is not going to come to the rescue it doesn't have any air superiority anywhere in Ukraine , as they claimed ,is air contested. Reason why suppression of Ukraine artillery by precision strikes with airforce nearly doesn't exist in Ukraine.


So IF NATO really want to push Russia out of Ukraine , this HIMAR weapon addition to the ukraine army now could do it.. so if that is not scary , no idea what is.. IF ,Russia Airforce ,don't get its shit fixed , this could become just like Ukraine claimed a game changing weapon..  Because Russian air defenses could be easily saturated any place in Ukraine and Russia main land , if they focus their fire in few targets at a time .  This is very bad new for Russia military . Ukraine now have a weapon that can destroy all Russian air defenses. and any munition/command center or fuel  depot inside ukraine  or cities nearby.     They will need to spread everything and put their generals in bunkers deep underground. My only question is which other weapons Ukraine could get? NATO should have more lethal weapons like this. ATACMS increase the range to 300-500km,, enough to target cities , deep inside Russia western territory.

So who are the fools now?
To create a super empire is not easy , NATO might not have the best of the best weapons for a nuclear war ,but their conventional forces have the tools to win a conventional war ,even against Russia.

Prediction ...
If Russia can't reduce to near zero ,the effectiveness of this HIMARS attacks , this could trigger the full scale war ,that Srelkov wanted. And a declaration of war on Ukraine with full army Russian invasion start.  because Russian airforce is not going to help much in neutralize this weapons ,since they are very easy to hide. And there is  NO WAY , Russian military will allow Ukraine to have HIMARS or ATACMS anywhere in ukraine.. they are too dangerous and latest ones can be armed with nukes.

Ukraine still most likely would lose , Russia still have more ways too push Ukraine, and will now spread their ammo ,and byte the bullet as accept very large of civilians and military casualites this Himars would create. But is going to be veeeery expensive , Since Russia will need to invade 100% of ukraine with a full scale army in order to stop himars strikes. Perhaps recruiting Chinese army help and split Ukraine between both , could make NATO realize they lost in that moment the war.

HIMARS managed a strike on a salt petre building, with 7 dead

If you are writing about this while ignoring 350 killed in nikolayev alone then you don't know what your talking about

NATO wouldn't be stupid enough to take 350 losses to score a lone HIMARS strike on a fertilizer building to kill 7 civilians

Why would s400 defend a salt petre building? S350 would be good for population Centre but the task of the IADS is to guard military targets

So you have no clue what you are saying and are only parroting propaganda

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In fact what it shows is the lousy range of HIMARS , they cannot even score hits on Russia any more

What is this BS about HIMARS ?

Ukraine had hundreds of Tochka U that hit the landing ship of VMF , albeit it was shot down and the body of the projectile hit the ship

Tochka U managed other strikes as well

There is nothing unique or different about HIMARS

The ones harping on about this are parroting propaganda to sell weapons to EU lapdog

Tochka U at least managed to sink a ropucha (unfortunately)

So wtf is the big deal, even Tochka has double the range of ATACMS in the variant given to Ukraine

The village moron Vann goes around harping about Bayraktar, HIMARS, M177, and other NATO weapons with a clear agenda, to be a troll and pro NATO agitator

Nothing he says is even rational or logical even if analyzed against real hits made by Ukrainian military

When Harpoon hits an apartment Block, this imbecile will be screaming and posting youtube videos like bitcoin trader or Ultimate warrior

A troll lapdog of the west

People here are getting too stuck on some wunderwaffe concepts on both sides. Ukrainians are getting excellent intelligence from US and, so far, their new technic of oversaturatimg PVO systems is shown to work. There's nothing more or less to be said about it.
How fast or slow will Russians adapt to it is another question. Sure, beefing up air defences and digging in command centers and decentralizing ammo depots will work to a degree, but eventually they will have to find a way to quickly locate and destroy said systems. And i don't mean HIMARS alone. Without escalation with US it is not possible to defeat intel assets.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
The village moron Vann goes around harping about Bayraktar, HIMARS, M177, and other NATO weapons with a clear agenda, to be a troll and pro NATO agitator

So why are you getting upset and even answering to his posts?

Very indicative post on level of indoctrination of Ukrainian society. Apparently, Ukrainians are ordering cakes with pics of dead Russian soldiers. It shows that Ukraine needs to be completely defeated and cease to exist in its current form. Outfit that make cakes has almost 3000 followers on instagram.
https://instagram.com/russiantort200?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

You fire enough stuff eventually some will get through, impossible to intercept everything 100 percent time, that goes for the US and Russia.

The fact people respond to Vann's dumbass posts about "omg Ukraine got a small ammo depot, its over GG" the Guy is a total moron who doesn't know A from B. The few remarks he made clear he is a clueless twit.

Anyone who has served or serves knows that a force has many many ammo depots scattered around and some are expected to be lost, hence why there are always many of them.

Now if Ukraine was destroying five or so a day sure that would be news to comment on

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
The village moron Vann goes around harping about Bayraktar, HIMARS, M177, and other NATO weapons with a clear agenda, to be a troll and pro NATO agitator

So why are you getting upset and even answering to his posts?

Ark often gets overly emotional when people criticize the Russians, whether the criticism is justified or not.

Poddubny with captured M777 howitzer in working condition. Apparently this one had a digital ballistic calculator, which was removed and taken for closer look.

Arkanghelsk wrote:What is this BS about HIMARS ?

Ukraine had hundreds of Tochka U that hit the landing ship of VMF , albeit it was shot down and the body of the projectile hit the ship

Tochka U managed other strikes as well

Is not the same thing..

Himars is a multipurpose launcher..  it can fire different kind of missiles ,from different ranges ,that can reach as High as 50km altitude. and its range can go as far as 500km. means all Russian air short range air defenses are obsolete to target this missile at mid course. CAn't hit things 50km altitude.  And the only hope for interception is at final stage ,just seconds before impact. Himars missiles are much smaller ,and faster too than toscka, and more difficult to intercept, more harder to trace , more easier to hide. Fly much faster , at higher altitudes , the truck that carry it ,could be camouflage  to look a civilian truck from space. and have superior precision too.

Toscka is a soviet era missile , that Russia created and they understand very very well how to intercept those , and don't fly as high and as long as  himars missiles.

Himars missiles are more closer to Iskanders ,but with far superior portability . So it would be similar as if NATO provided Iskanders to Ukraine , but that have a much compact portable design. So effectively Ukraine ,have now parity with Russia , in artillery range. And NATO have more himars missiles than Russia cruise missiles.  So imagine what would happen if NATO provide Ukraine thousands of himars missiles and they smash Russian main land cities?

So  this is not just same as toscka , This is a very serious scalation of NATO in Ukraine . and Russia now know is not as easy to intercept them.. have problems to protect its ammo depots ,with just a dozen of missiles fired. how much worse it would be if they fire 30 missiles?  which they can do?
or  50 missiles?  Russia now will have to change tactics very soon. and fix the problems of its airforce so that they can quickly remove this missiles from ukraine. and spread all their munition over very large zones..  something they should have done from day 1.. Knowing how many strike drones ukraine receive.

as a matter of fact Himars are more harder to intercept than Russia kalibr subsonic missiles launched against ukraine. Only iskanders could be harder to intercept and of course hypersonic missiles even more ,but Russia don't anywhere close to the dozens of thousands of himars missiles that NATO have. So effectively if NATO really want it .. Ukraine with himars now can outgun Russia in precision strikes using rocket artillery.  You don't win wars with rocket artillery alone ,for sure ,you need an army capturing cities too , but it can help a lot to cause massive punishment on Russia , for the duration of the war.. This could complicate significantly Russia advances in Ukraine. and could provoke a full scale war if used against Russian mainland cities .

Isn't U.K the same country that repeatedly stated that Russian forces are killing Ukrainian civilians.

Now BBC investigation shows that U.K's elite SAS unit repeatedly killed civilians in Afghanistan.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62083196

SeigSoloyvov wrote:You fire enough stuff eventually some will get through, impossible to intercept everything 100 percent time, that goes for the US and Russia.



Now if Ukraine was destroying five or so a day sure that would be news to comment on

Unfortunately this wasn't a case of "fire enough stuff" Far from a saturation attack , only about a dozen of missiles fired.  

This is more a case of -not good enough- air defenses to handle this kind of missiles.
Is going to get a lot worse ,NATO now knows this new way to penetrate Russia air defenses , and because NATO told will supply many more himars to ukraine. So get ready for fireworks.  Ukraine now have comparable tactical strikes capability in destruction with precision of anything in the rear of Russian military. Not good.  RUssia will need to speed up to capture cities if wants to push back those  himars all the way to Poland .

and like i explained those himars missiles can fly very high altitude ,avoiding most of Russian air defenses, and complicating its interception ,to the last seconds of flight .

it will take time Russia to figure out how to intercept those missiles with better efficiency. because i repeat ,only a dozen of missiles were fired.. This is far from a saturation attack.. not even close.
Ukraine targets were not even focused ,but totally spread on the front line.. Most of their strikes were in Kherson , not in lugansk.. this is the irony.

Small news:
North Korea has become the third UN member to recognize the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. A member of North Korea’s diplomatic mission in Moscow confirmed the move to the news agency RIA on Wednesday. The two Donbass republics had already been recognized by Russia and Syria.

The more countries that recognize the Donbass republics, the greater legitimacy on the global stage the Russian special operation has. Not that it really maters.

Good summary of what both sides claims.. until know..





So much @KVS for himars "propaganda" and efficiency was a 5th column operation  .
Where are the clowns now hiding? A lot of Russia South and EAST military infrastructure was smashed to dust , by Ukraine , and not only by  HIMARS strikes , but regular artillery too and Ukrainian so called "Defeated airforce". Russia lost a  significant number of missiles ammo and soldiers and officers and one general in recently strikes , where HIMARS did the most destruction.

Russia have never done an operation as successful like this..   ukraine artillery ,even the basic one continue operating. Now it seems as if Russia is operating as it max capabilities, and barely can handle the fight with the army they have in  Ukraine.  I would not like to see how ugly this will become for Russian army ,when more artillery and himars supplied too Ukraine.

IT seems the Russian army is very careless ,and not paying attention that NATO eyes are watching
every movement of Russian forces from space and spotting their storage sites and command centers very easily.

Can NATO defeat RUssia in Ukraine?  if Putin and it's military don't change their tactics, it could.

What is this BS about HIMARS ?

Reminds me of the hype around Patriot after the first Iraq war. Was declared the super-best AD system in the world which shot down Scuds easily. All american minions had to buy the system afterwards. A few years later someone was looking into the real success rate of Patriot and it was shitty.

Reconstruction continues. In a month or so Russia will have build more facilities/buildings in the liberated regions then NATO did in 20 years of Afghani occupation.

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
The village moron Vann goes around harping about Bayraktar, HIMARS, M177, and other NATO weapons with a clear agenda, to be a troll and pro NATO agitator

So why are you getting upset and even answering to his posts?

He clogs half the page with bullshit