Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20

kvs wrote:The drones are more HIMARS "game changer" onanism.   This is social media "war" and not real war.   Gamer faggots are fighting
glorious battles by proxy.   Some wonder waffle is always needed to get desired results.  Yes, even Russia needs precious Iranian tech
or it will lose.  When nothing happens gamer faggots just forget and move onto to another "game changer".    BTW, I have been
a gamer for a long time, but I do not fancy myself a real life warrior.   Maybe these clowns think that they can turn on God mode.

Isos wrote:
Well it's not about game warrior or real warrior.

Russia army has a lot to learn from this conflict and even people with no real experience can draw conclusions.

Drones are important for modern conflicts. Ukrainian did very well with dumb civilian drones armed with fancy grenades managing to destroy million dollar tanks. Russians copied this after seeing their good results.

Small drones + artillery isn't as good as bigger armed drones against moving targets. They need a lot of armed Orion and other Forpost R.

Drones are also good for intel gathering which would help hunting enemy artillery. They have hard time destroying those HIMARs and relying on AD to intercept their rockets is just dumb and doesn't work.

Their AD isn't perfect as some here may think. Plenty of rockets and BM will go through.

Their sukhois have hard time in environment contested by AD systems which is surprising knowing that this was the case in 2008 and they still can't enter an airspace where systems they designed and operate are present.

Plenty of lesson and they better learn from them than think like you it's all ukrainian propaganda and they have perfect weapons and a perfect army.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Charlie company is a Ukrainian unit trained by the US army

They are a very experienced unit in the area

You can hear about them from Belarusian Dima

On "military summary" in youtube

Dima is very balanced and has the nice map from
https://militarymaps.info/

The website is a Russian site where live updates are submitted by warriors on the front

The map is the most updated and comprehensive one right now

Liveuamaps.com is good but it lags in updating territory and doesn't show unit disposition

Dima recently added another map with units themselves , and made note of Charlie company

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Arrogance and cultural things are at play

This has been more of an experimentation of weapons and methods, more than a serious effort at regime change, or even territorial liberation

They are experimenting how to clear towns, villages, cities, trenches

Isos wrote:

Having 6000 of your soldiers dead to go easy on SS units and just test weapons...

If people find out it was what you are saying is true Putin and his generals may end up overthrown by the soldiers. They better say it was shitty tactics and lack of weapons.

Either do the war and win it or don't do anything.

Isos wrote:

Russia army has a lot to learn from this conflict and even people with no real experience can draw conclusions.

Drones are important for modern conflicts. Ukrainian did very well with dumb civilian drones armed with fancy grenades managing to destroy million dollar tanks. Russians copied this after seeing their good results.

Small drones + artillery isn't as good as bigger armed drones against moving targets. They need a lot of armed Orion and other Forpost R.

Drones are also good for intel gathering which would help hunting enemy artillery. They have hard time destroying those HIMARs and relying on AD to intercept their rockets is just dumb and doesn't work.

Their AD isn't perfect as some here may think. Plenty of rockets and BM will go through.

Their sukhois have hard time in environment contested by AD systems which is surprising knowing that this was the case in 2008 and they still can't enter an airspace where systems they designed and operate are present.

Plenty of lesson and they better learn from them than think like you it's all ukrainian propaganda and they have perfect weapons and a perfect army.

Vann7 wrote:
Back to reality , the other side of the Coin, of what is going on with Russia military.
More and more people notice this , which i  have been reporting about this since First Week of war.  So better late than never.    

dionis wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Charlie company is a Ukrainian unit trained by the US army

They are a very experienced unit in the area

You can hear about them from Belarusian Dima

On "military summary" in youtube

Dima is very balanced and has the nice map from
https://militarymaps.info/

The website is a Russian site where live updates are submitted by warriors on the front

The map is the most updated and comprehensive one right now

Liveuamaps.com is good but it lags in updating territory and doesn't show unit disposition

Dima recently added another map with units themselves , and made note of Charlie company

I've been following Dima/his YouTube for a little while now, but he never explained who they were or I missed it - so thanks.

Any idea how to pay for that map? I only have US-based payments, and as far as I can tell all they take are Russian credit cards (including local Visa/MC) plus other Russian payments.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Basically you can't use it

What a sucky situation man

I know Yandex checkout and Yookassa used to accept US card but VISA suspended all operations


You can't get MIR card, unless you physically came to Russia and opened a Sberbank account or Credit Europe account, even then you'd have to be registered here as a citizen or have residency

You can do crypto, but youd need an intermediary to convert you crypto to rubles

Tough shit

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
Basically you can't use it

What a sucky situation man

I know Yandex checkout and Yookassa used to accept US card but VISA suspended all operations


You can't get MIR card, unless you physically came to Russia and opened a Sberbank account or Credit Europe account, even then you'd have to be registered here as a citizen or have residency

You can do crypto, but youd need an intermediary to convert you crypto to rubles

Tough shit

what about UnionPay?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Against saturation attack no AD is immune. Same with US CVG.  Russians use what they have what would you suggest they shall use right now? beside obvious more AD?

Vann7 wrote:




I don't agree 100% with every conclusion he says , but still is quite good report.

Regular wrote:

Vann7 wrote:




I don't agree 100% with every conclusion he says , but still is quite good report.

He is relying too much on US info to the point that this cumsock bases all his video on this. I think most of it is BS. Especially the flight training time, when all active Russian pilots have combat experience in Syria, it's irrelevant what those textbook numbers say. Also, Russian airforce can't be employed the same as US over Iraq not only due to technical limitations (yes, they exist, who is denying that?) but due to the size of Ukraine, AD layers and so on... It would be different with PAKFA and PAKDA and their new weapons in service, but at the moment Russia has to fight with what it has and I don't see how this is some sort of revelation.

Keep in mind that Russia doesn't rely on one branch to win the war. VKS has its role and every time UA sounds air raids over the country it means they are working their ass off.

It's not all positive - it's war, Russia is more effective at dealing death to the Ukrainian side, what problems they have to be ironed out if possible, the rest - after the war. Look at what new weapons are Russians testing in Ukraine, I hope you like this video

https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1540578641205141506