Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20

Ned86 wrote:

This seems reasonable accurate and I don't see a problem especially when combining with Vikhr antitank missiles. Why not fire few rockets as well?

 

For starting this planes were very close to their targets , not the same thing.
Very different to all the videos hey have been doing of "air support"

second How many tanks , or artillery was destroyed there?  
ZERO. Your own video shows how  Mediocre is this tactics .  
just strike the dam artillery with a precision strike and stop dancing around it.

Unguided Rockets fired at high angles without really aiming are poor tactics ,firing above the horizon is totally useless tactics for close air support in Ukraine. You can't even use this to help your soldiers being attacked by enemy from close range.  

 What Russian airforce gets is risk their planes being shot down and still missing their targets. they need to stop their chicken cowards strategy and use fucking precision weapons to hit those himars and  artillery.. Is because of mediocre tactics like this ,that Ukraine can use trenches and be safe there all day singing songs.. laughing at Russian airforce. because stupid tactics. This is basically depending on lucky hits.  While enemy artillery smash your soldiers and ammo depots with precision.  

British pilots , i  trust more in their opinions than in fools in forums ,that claims Himars are not any better than smerch and uragans , or that strike drones useless and not needed..  

Thanks for proving my point. Unguided close air support firing randomly in the air without aiming ,doesn't work .

Vann7 wrote:

Ned86 wrote:

This seems reasonable accurate and I don't see a problem especially when combining with Vikhr antitank missiles. Why not fire few rockets as well?

 

For starting this planes were very close to their targets , not the same thing.
Very different to all the videos hey have been doing of "air support"

second How many tanks , or artillery was destroyed there?  
ZERO. Your own video shows how  Mediocre is this tactics .  
just strike the dam artillery with a precision strike and stop dancing around it.

Unguided Rockets fired at high angles without really aiming are poor tactics ,firing above the horizon is totally useless tactics for close air support in Ukraine. You can't even use this to help your soldiers being attacked by enemy from close range.  

 What Russian airforce gets is risk their planes being shot down and still missing their targets. they need to stop their chicken cowards strategy and use fucking precision weapons to hit those himars and  artillery.. Is because of mediocre tactics like this ,that Ukraine can use trenches and be safe there all day singing songs.. laughing at Russian airforce. because stupid tactics. This is basically depending on lucky hits.  While enemy artillery smash your soldiers and ammo depots with precision.  

British pilots , i  trust more in their opinions than in fools in forums ,that claims Himars are not any better than smerch and uragans , or that strike drones useless and not needed..  

British airforce never face Buk, Tor, S300

So your nonsense is trolling and the fact the mods continue to allow this as a real post and not misinformation is fucking ridiculous

This clown continues making fake equivalent between NATO SEAD missions against 1960 air defenses S125 Pechora and KUB

When modern VKS destroyed s300, Buk, Tor

And calls it incompetence

Such a clown is trolling only and is here to do one thing,

To clog the forum and troll

There's no substance to the post

Maybe if NATO had gone against modern air defense it could be a conversation,

But using shitty SEAD of RAF and USAF to compare to Ukraine SEAD is false equivalence

Mir wrote " Same technique as toss bombing. It obviously increases the rocket's range and keeps the attacker out of MANPADS range. Very simple idea that is easy to understand. BTW the very same forward observers used for accurate artillery strikes are used here. These guys report back on accuracy and the effect on enemy units. No rocket science involved here. So please STOP posting idiotic stuff. " Good idea , was thinking that ground troops can use accurate range finder to ground target and the same device can send laser signal vertically upwards , to trigger Rockets , as plane or Helicopter passes by . Should be possible with existing equipment and give accuracy !

How many times did the west screw up Airborne assaults?.
The Russians, under the Camera's. And an fleet of NATO intelligence assets tracking their every move pulled it off.

10 out of 10. Amazing work.
Deep respect from an (former) NATO Airborne soldier  

Pindo faggots navy seals stand no chance against the Russian VDV let alone Spetsnaz GRU .

Arkanghelsk wrote:

This clown continues making fake equivalent between NATO SEAD missions against 1960 air defenses S125 Pechora and KUB

The only thing this clown is continuing is making himself more clown.
I would not believe it is even possible, but he still amazes me.
You should take a breath and smile.
"vann" is already a forum-wide idiom of an idiot, so I really have no idea why you a/ respond b/ care
The only thing that you really achieve, is taking him out of the other's trashcan.

Vann7 wrote:
For starting this planes were very close to their targets , not the same thing.
Very different to all the videos hey have been doing of "air support"

They were close but not in the line of fire. That is the main benefit of this technic.
Enemy had 20 seconds only before launches and rockets impact.

Vann7 wrote:
second How many tanks , or artillery was destroyed there?  
ZERO. Your own video shows how  Mediocre is this tactics .  
just strike the dam artillery with a precision strike and stop dancing around it.

Ka-52 always flies with combined weapons load.
Vikhr antitank missiles + missiles 305 + unguided rockets.
We keep seeing regularly hits made by Vikhr missiles and majority of Ukrainian armor vehicles were destroyed by them.
we have ka-52 videos on daily basic almost.  

Vann7 wrote:
Unguided Rockets fired at high angles without really aiming are poor tactics ,firing above the horizon is totally useless tactics for close air support in Ukraine. You can't even use this to help your soldiers being attacked by enemy from close range.  

If it was useless it won't be used and end of story.
Don't try to be smarter from the army guys which have all sorts of smart weapons in their hands. They know what they are doing.

We keep seeing more and more of Izdeliye-305 missile videos.

https://t.me/milinfolive/87034

What missile was this one in the video?
It was extremely fast for sub-sonic Caliber...

https://t.me/intelslava/33195
https://t.me/intelslava/33190

Ned86 wrote:What missile was this one in the video?
It was extremely fast for sub-sonic Caliber...

https://t.me/intelslava/33195
https://t.me/intelslava/33190

850 km/h is very fast from a statiomary perspective.


On a separate not, why are Ka-52 crews manually guiding vikhrs instead of using autotrack?

Also, why aren't we seeing much T-90A and T-80BVM footage these days? Is it because the Russian army has reduced amount of footage from its ground crews?

On western propaganda  channels like perun, they're claiming russia actually has more than enough armored vehicles, but it has an acute shortage of foot soldiers to wage combined arms warfare with, and the pre invasion BTG had very few infantrymen. This is apparently why russia is advancing slowly. It has to resort to either DNLNR militia to provide foot infantry, or Wagner/Chechen/Ossetian volunteer units. How plausible is this? I have a hard time believing this, and I believe slow russian advance is simply due to low troop numbers and lack of 24/7 quadcopter drone surveillance, thus allowing ukrop DRGs to infiltrate in case the advance is too fast.

thegopnik wrote:vann7 is diagnosed with autism, who bothers to read walls of text with the addition of emojis on every fucking post when there is nothing but gains done by russian ground forces as of now? In the end Ukraine will be taken it doesnt have to be annexed just positions filled in ukraines goverment and military roles. in the end his bitching and moaning does not contribute to Ukraine getting back what it had. let him waste his energy writing walls of text while we move on putting him in the ignore list and just keep updating the news here

Hes more like a schizo. He sees patterns when they don't exist, has bizarre ideas/ obsessions, and has an incoherent typing style in the form of large run on sentences and large textwalls. On 4chan, schizos are identified mainly on that.

Ned86 wrote:What missile was this one in the video?
It was extremely fast for sub-sonic Caliber...

https://t.me/intelslava/33195
https://t.me/intelslava/33190

No, both are fine.
Regular cruise missile.

How far away is the Russian army from penetrating the last defense line that Ukraine and Nato has been built in the last 8 years around the Donbass? I have heard that after that point the Russian army could advance much faster.

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A Russian military expert says he is convinced that British and American soldiers are engaged on the ground in Ukraine.


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This is not a surprise. At least for me. I believe that special troops have been on the ground for some time, not only British and Americans but Poles and Baltic pygmies as well.

I don't understand, when has RAF or USAF faced s300 except in Red Flag against Greek or Slovakian digital units?

Or against BUK and TOR ?

In practice NATO faced S75 Dvina, S125 Pechora, and Kub and Kvadrat systems , not updated of Iraqi army

When did NATO ever face serious air defense?

Serbia is a good example but even then, never facing s300, Buk , or TOR

Israel has difficulty in Syria, and lobs bombs and Delilah the same way

So why is this troll clown claiming fake equivalent ?

Israeli lob bombing is effective

But Russia cannot lob bomb?

A half a page is spent on nonsense, even if you go back for 5 fucking pages, half of it is pure trolling , it's not even a long paragraph of substance

But monologue that make no sense

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:How far away is the Russian army from penetrating the last defense line that Ukraine and Nato has been built in the last 8 years around the Donbass? I have heard that after that point the Russian army could advance much faster.

There is nothing like "last line", in an era of prefabricated strongholds you can build one ad hoc. Just need cash&logistics.
Russkies are sending concrete strongpoints to Donbas already, and I guess that Ukrs had established production lines for them.
Tons of material revealed, where soldiers are surprised by the fact that locally build strongpoint of Ukrs has prefabricated elements like exproof doors, machine gun nests, solid armed steel covers for lookouts, concrete prefabricated entrances etc.
Russkies can advance faster any moment they want. But they don't want, due to various reasons.

Arkanghelsk wrote:I don't understand, when has RAF or USAF faced s300 except in Red Flag against Greek or Slovakian digital units?

Or against BUK and TOR ?

In practice NATO faced S75 Dvina, S125 Pechora, and Kub and Kvadrat systems , not updated of Iraqi army

When did NATO ever face serious air defense?

Serbia is a good example but even then, never facing s300, Buk , or TOR

Israel has difficulty in Syria, and lobs bombs and Delilah the same way

So why is this troll clown claiming fake equivalent ?

Israeli lob bombing is effective

But Russia cannot lob bomb?

A half a page is spent on nonsense, even if you go back for 5 fucking pages, half of it is pure trolling , it's not even a long paragraph of substance

But monologue that make no sense  

A better question is why do even "reasonable" ukraine shills wholeheartedly  believe himars supposedly has some "superior vatnik missile defense shield" that prevents it from being shot down by russian SAMs. Russian SAMs are capable of shooting down smaller uragan rockets, smerch rockets, israeli popeye cruise missiles, but not a GPS guided rocket. Shills are hilariously believing almaz antey is in hot water for suppoedly not being able to shoot them down.

My dad, whos highly pro-ukrainian but I thought would have some reason, also believes the S-400 cant shoot down himars story. Like how illogical do you have to be.

I see arguments that:
Himars has magically low RCS
Its too fast at 2.5mach(nevermind Tochka U reaches mach 3-4)
Its maneuverable(unproven, and not cost effective for a damn narrow rocket)
Russians are incompetent drunk subhumans who lie about having IADS
Most remotely plausible, that HIMARS gps guided rockets have some sort low trajectory that russian SAMs have trouble detecting in enough time
Russian SAMs like pantsir or TOR can't engage more than 1-4 targets at once.
Russian SAMs are already destroyed/captured in sufficient quantities for russians not have an IADS any more.

Most plausibly, ukrops fire Uragans and smerch salvoes first, then himars. The problem is that short of destroying launchers(almost impossible, they're mini hypermobile scuds) or having enough SAMs, this tactic isn't counterable. On the other hand, ukrainians are expending nonrenewable precious smerch rockets just to be used as decoys.

There is nothing like "last line", in an era of prefabricated strongholds you can build one ad hoc. Just need cash&logistics.
Russkies are sending concrete strongpoints to Donbas already, and I guess that Ukrs had established production lines for them.
Tons of material revealed, where soldiers are surprised by the fact that locally build strongpoint of Ukrs has prefabricated elements like exproof doors, machine gun nests, solid armed steel covers for lookouts, concrete prefabricated entrances etc.
Russkies can advance faster any moment they want. But they don't want, due to various reasons.

Imnot a civil engineer, so Im really in the dark on this, but could the ukrainians, while russia is closing in on the pavlograd arch, be able to pour enough concrete in a few months to recreate avdeyevka tier defenses throughout kharkov, dneprpetrovsk, nikolaev, odessa, etc? Has modern bunker building tech advanced to teh point of building seigfried line defences to within weeks? What can we learn from WW2 about countering the current ukrainian tunnels and concrete bunker lines?

The ethnically Hungarian part of Western Ukraine

Arkanghelsk wrote:I don't understand, when has RAF or USAF faced s300 except in Red Flag against Greek or Slovakian digital units?

Or against BUK and TOR ?

In practice NATO faced S75 Dvina, S125 Pechora, and Kub and Kvadrat systems , not updated of Iraqi army

When did NATO ever face serious air defense?

Serbia is a good example but even then, never facing s300, Buk , or TOR

Israel has difficulty in Syria, and lobs bombs and Delilah the same way

So why is this troll clown claiming fake equivalent ?

Israeli lob bombing is effective

But Russia cannot lob bomb?

A half a page is spent on nonsense, even if you go back for 5 fucking pages, half of it is pure trolling , it's not even a long paragraph of substance

But monologue that make no sense  

If we just go by range/ceiling, in Iraq it was:


S-75 (SA-2): 45KM range / 25,000m

S-125 Neva/Pechora (SA-3): 15-35KM range / 14,000 - 18,000m

2K12 Kub (SA-6): 22-25KM range / 7,000 - 8,000m

9K33 Osa-A (SA-"8") w/ 9M33M2: 10KM range / 5,000m (12,000m for (9M33M3 missile)

9K31 Strela-1 (SA-9 ): 4-8KM range by source/version / ~3,500m

9K35 Strela-10 (SA-13): 5KM range / ~3,500m

AFAIK they didn't even face the anti-bomber S-200 missile with a ~300KM range?

Basically any fighter/bomber could be safe from most of them by flying above 10,000m, while the S-75/125 were non-mobile cruise missile magnets?

Ned86 wrote:
Ka-52 always flies with combined weapons load.
Vikhr antitank missiles + missiles 305 + unguided rockets.
We keep seeing regularly hits made by Vikhr missiles and majority of Ukrainian armor vehicles were destroyed by them.
we have ka-52 videos on daily basic almost.  

Again, you are talking to a madman.
As easy as that.
Enough to watch this material to figure, that there is something hit&burning.
They deliver Grad-like missiles, hitting aerial targets and making Ukrs keep their heads down. THat is what suppression means.

Remember that big mouthed douchbag American so called mercenary in Ukraine? James Vasquez. He managed to get in a fight on a NY subway with a smaller guy. And he lost.

Backman wrote:Remember that big mouthed douchbag American so called mercenary in Ukraine? James Vasquez. He managed to get in a fight on a NY subway with a smaller guy. And he lost.

Lmfao

ALAMO wrote:

Ned86 wrote:
Ka-52 always flies with combined weapons load.
Vikhr antitank missiles + missiles 305 + unguided rockets.
We keep seeing regularly hits made by Vikhr missiles and majority of Ukrainian armor vehicles were destroyed by them.
we have ka-52 videos on daily basic almost.  

Again, you are talking to a madman.
As easy as that.
Enough to watch this material to figure, that there is something hit&burning.
They deliver Grad-like missiles, hitting aerial targets and making Ukrs keep their heads down. THat is what suppression means.

That guy is a broken record, keeps playing the same song over and over again. 

Don´t shake his hand!

Must be the mix of Copium and Cocain.

So what's the deal on judging overall commitment of Russia in terms of its active armed forces?

We have Shoigu quoted saying Russia had ~170BTGs in August 2021.

Some sources claim around 100 are deployed now in Ukraine, or 60%.

Then someone was saying it's only 15 or 20% of overall available armed forces? What gives - does the latter include mobilization?