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    Post  Belisarius Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:54 am

    "The losses of the Ukrainian army today are at least 50-70 thousand killed, a member of the Russian hacker group RaHDIt told RIA Novosti on condition of anonymity"

    That is K.I.A.'s only.

    Now add to that all the M.I.A.'s (which Ukraine doesn't collect, and there is A LOT of those), irretrievable losses etc... and things start to get real dark, real fast for the Ukraine
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14065

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:38 pm

    You are indeed seeing a social media psy op. HIMARS is no better than any of the other
    long range MLRS systems that Kiev regime had

    The only part of HIMARS that is better than Smerch is ATCMS, and they are not getting ATCMS but even if they did it is a slightly longer ranged Tochka, or a shorter ranged Iskander... except the latter manouverss to evade interception which ATCMS does not.

    Without ATCMS HIMARS isn't even as good as SMERCH which they had in large numbers and lost in large numbers and now only use sparingly to avoid losing the rest all at once.

    They wont be able to use any of these artillery weapons or aircraft as support for any counter attack because to use them that would would be to wipe them all out very quickly and without a lot of effect.

    What they will have to do is selectively use a single gun or launcher to fire a single rocket or shell and then run... they will be spending more time setting up and running away than firing so the firing will most likely be towards civilian targets to inflict terrorist type damage to the Russian cause because they wont be able to fire on Russian forces who will be totally protected from individual rockets and shells with TOR and Pantsir and other systems.

    Instead they will commit warcrimes hitting less well defended civilian targets to create as much bloodshed as they can... I hope the people of the west are proud of their governments.

    Ukrainians using school busses for transport:

    They will be using school buses and ambulances and civilian trucks and any other trick to try to move around...

    anyone else noticed that the Su-35 got more than 10 air kills in the last 5 days?

    Which shows you the value of claims by Kiev that if the west just sends them enough weapons and enough ammo that they can turn it around and win on the battlefield.

    Ukros are continuing the fight only to ensure they receive western weapons which they can sell to Russian forces for thousands of dollars.

    That is OK... buying them is a good use of money...

    You must be drunk. Why will they capture antiquated Ukrainian tanks that's worth less than scrap? They are simply blowing these tanks apart with ATGMs.

    Some regions that are created will need equipment and weapons, while the north and west needs to be totally demilitarised...

    Obviously a fully burnt out vehicle would be scrapped but often vehicles are penetrated and the crew bails but there is nothing actually wrong with the vehicle or the engine breaks down and just needs a replacement part... such vehicles can be recovered and restored and donated to Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan or whomever the Russians want.

    They can keep tge best t-80 and give the t-64 to Donbass forces.

    They could give them to Syria or Iran or Iraq or Afghanistan if they wanted.

    Does anyone know what regions the Russian troops are from? Is there military service in Russia? are they volunteers?
    How is the work of Wagner's mercenaries?

    These troops will be a mix of VDV and Naval Infantry and conventional forces recon troops that operate ahead of motor rifle and tank divisions to clear the way and find targets and hard points in the enemies defences... and of course Spetsnaz operating behind enemy lines finding targets and shooting certain people and blowing things up etc etc.

    They were supposed to all be contract soldiers but a few conscripts were used in the support units perhaps... some officers got into trouble for that slipup... but I suspect going to war for real some perhaps were more patriotic than sensible and didn't object to going till the brown stuff hit the spinning blades of the room cooling device.

    Higly likely to happen. Ukrainians fly their su-25 in pairs. One su-35 can down both in one encounter from 80km away.

    Normally Su-25s do operate in pairs with one attacking ground targets operating ahead of the other aircraft which is flying at a greater height looking for ground threats firing on the front Frogfoot and warning them when they come under missile attack or gun attack.

    I rather suspect in the current situation having two Su-25s up at one time in the same place is more than they can manage or justify.

    R-77-1 gives no chance to survive but frankly mig-29, su-25 and mi-24 are easy targets for this missiles. Too bad US didn't send modern f-16 or f-15 to test them against such aircraft.

    Not just the quality of AAM, but also the situational awareness provided to the Russian aircraft will give them the location of the target and its direction and height so they can attack from a direction where the target wont even know they are under attack and gives their missiles the best chance for a kill without risking the Russian aircraft.

    Dude, I was looking at the map. Russia is said to be on pause, affirming what it has conquered. It seems to me that we are going to see an all-out offensive from several fronts (with kyiv included) when we least expect it.

    The vast majority of the Ukrainian forces were located inside the Donbass and Lugansk regions so most of their military is being destroyed there... once they get rolled back the rest of the country is no where near as well dug in or as hotly defended and as more defeats become obvious the readiness of the rest of the conscripts to die for Zelensky will diminish to the point where they might start demanding new leadership that is prepared to negotiate with the Russians... as the Russians have said the longer they leave it the worse deal they are going to get.

    all hotspots are fires/heavy detonations.

    Snake island seems to get some attention too.
    If the map is accurate, seems RF is pressing for Odessa judging by the fire intensity going on there.

    Way to many hotspots around novosibirsk and Krasnadar and Russian territory to the right of the Crimea...

    They may think that they will have some kind advantage in august as they think they can accumulate enough weapons and men to launch a large offensive. Probably lots of mercenaries. But that wont amount to much.

    Conscripts marching towards enemy artillery and air power that know what they are doing.... it would be a total slaughter...

    How many Russian soldiers lives later? 15k? 20k? 30k? 50k?

    They will keep the number of their own loses to a minimum by taking their time and being methodical and careful... they don't have a timetable, no deadlines to meet... that is what costs soldiers.

    How many Months /years take for Russian airforce to smash Ukraine artillery ?

    How many months or years for Russian airforce to achieve air superiority for real?
    and smash Ukraine artillery ?

    Ukrainian artillery is individual gun vehicles and small groups of towed guns... when using a self propelled gun it is safer to operate alone because you are a less obvious target than a big group of heavy vehicles... fire a couple of shots and then move and hide.

    For towed guns especially the M777 which is slow to take down you sneak to a position and set up and probably fire one round per gun and then take down the guns and run before the return fire starts to arrive. In that situation it makes sense to have as many guns as you can together to make the brief volley of shells more useful, which is why we see towed guns being chased into forest blocks to hide from return artillery... yet with drone observation there is no where to run and hide...

    Does people in this forum aware ,that ukraine artillery can only fight . IF the airspace above them is safe?

    Aircraft move and most aircraft will be watching for air defence threats first... to get an aircraft near an artillery unit before it fires is unlikely because it is when it fires that it reveals itself to Russian radar... firing positions are calculated and any nearby drones and aircaft will be directed to the source area of the weapons.

    Out in flat open grassy plains with nowhere to hide you then find the guns and orbit around them as you call in attack aircraft or friendly artillery to deal with them.

    In the real world of course the enemy are not that stupid as we have already seen Grad rocket launchers stored in Shopping Malls... rolled out to launch rocket attacks and then rolled back into the Mall to protect and hide them from air attack or return artillery fire.

    When Russian drones and aircraft arrive to the location the shells were fired from there might be no targets at all... all the guns and the rocket launchers rolled into garages or buildings... so the drones need to remain and keep looking and hopefully be nearby when they try to fire again and catch them in the act... watch what buildings they drive in to and level those buildings along with presumably their ammo stores as well.

    It might take a week to get a gun in the mean time other weapons are firing from other locations... the Russians don't have an unlimited number of drones or aircraft and they can't be everywhere at once.

    HATO can be monitoring Russian flights and battlefield radar to determine the best times to fire and from where.

    The Orcs are not idiots... they are bastards but they are not idiots.

    1) Chemical war.. with lots of civilians killed in donbass.. and maybe Russian cities too..
    that could explain why NATO provide chemical equipment to Ukie Troops.

    That would escalate the war to the point where WMDS had been used by Kiev so Russia would be free to use them to prevent the Orcs from continuing to use them.... other US bio labs in the country would be destroyed and any building associated with chem or bio weapons would also be leveled and I rather suspect Zelensky would be targeted and killed along with their Rada and other branches of their government.

    2) The recruit of 50,000 ISIS fighters from middle east ,to help ukraine Nazis to win , with dozens of thousands of suicide bombers.

    Even skilled fighters can't fight artillery and air power.... shoot down the planes they arrive in or destroy the border points they cross into Ukraine...

    3) mass scale drone war , with thousands of mini suicide drones in mass guided by artificial intelligence..

    If they could they would have already... HATO does not have that and therefore cannot give that to Kiev...

    NATO is perfectly capable to neutralize the Russian slow advancing army with superior tactics and weapons , specially if Russia military don't have an airforce that could really support them.

    Actually it is the rapidly advancing Russian force that needs to be careful... moving slow means not making yourself a target for flanking attacks and ambushes that fast moving forces are terribly vulnerable to.

    Hopefully the fool president , Vladimir Putin and his outdated generals ,would not be caught with pants down again by surprise and prepare for such things..

    You say that but your advice to them to pull their own pants down by speeding up the operation for no other reason than you are getting bored with this is the worst thing they could do.

    A good rule of thumb is never do what your enemy suggests.

    So Tochka U will certainly increase the density of fire on Ukrainians

    Accurately placing a 550kg payload on target 120-150km away.... very handy really and also a good way of counterbattery defending against HIMARS and M777 especially with a cluster munition warhead with HE FRAG munitions shredding troops in the open operating guns and the guns and trucks themselves.

    Gas supplies via Nord Stream stopped from 0700 Moscow time on Monday - data from the pipeline operator

    Ouch!!!

    Nord stream 2 anyone ?

    They close the line down for 10 days every year for maintenance.

    Canada caved and sent the turbines to Germany to bypass their sanctions preventing them sending them to Russia.

    Look at this from another perspective.
    That would mean, that Russkies fight 5:1 ratio and winning

    Would be like remembering the Alamo... Alamo.... Rolling Eyes

    Is anyone aware , that artillery can't fight , when the enemy fly their strike drones or combat planes above them ? and strike at them? Where the hell is russian airforce ? where are the amazing russian air defenses ? can't intercept himars?

    HIMARS are most effective in the movies... and propaganda.... I would say that source is a 5th columnist and is paid in US dollars for his services.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:41 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:Me being on the short-stick of this gas crisis.
    things are catastrophic here in Europe.
    Social projects like elderly homes, hospitals,daycares and on the economic spectrum industries heavily reliant on gas already got warnings of gas rationing.
    gas reserve bunkers can not be stocked up.
    Alloy industries already have to scale down production, they can no longer compete with asian industries because of the high energy price spike.

    Canada has approved the return of the Gas turbines to Russia for the Primary Nord Stream 1 trough Germany to Russia.

    Economy's are grinding to a halt here, Germany has already the first trade deficit for the first time in 30 years.
    Coal plants in europe are going to 100% production to compensate, Nuclear power plants in Germany that where supposed to be decomissioned are remaining in production.

    Medvedev is right, Winter is comming for Europe.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:52 pm


    Is anyone aware , that artillery can't fight , when the enemy fly their strike drones or combat planes above them ? and strike at them? Where the hell is russian airforce ? where are the amazing russian air defenses ? can't intercept himars?

    Remember the Iraq war back in 1991? Total air superiority, because 99% of the Iraqi air force fled to Iran, but still the "mighty" US air force couldn´t find these pesky Scud launchers. In a country which consists mostly of open desert. But somehow some people think you could easily find a f...ing truck (that´s what HIMARS is essentialy) or a towed gun inside an area full of woods, villages and industrial facilties of all kinds.

    A plane maybe able to find another plane 200 or 300km away with its radar, but a small ground target like a towed gun can be seen from 20km at best. Same for the optics of a drone, in the end such a gun is a very small thing which can be hidden easily.

    Still there are hundreds of videos from planes, helicopters and drones destroying artillery of all sorts or guiding in own artillery rounds.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:59 pm

    [quote="Hole"]

    But somehow some people think you could easily find a f...ing truck (that´s what HIMARS is essentialy) or a towed gun inside an area full of woods, villages and industrial facilties of all kinds.

    ... not targeting everything that moves along the whole territory, what the GI Joes performed daily.

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    Post  limb Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:39 pm

    Mir wrote:@Limb

    You mention 6 Russian tanks caught in a minefield? What happened to the other "thousands" that were destroyed according to some mindless idiot?

    BTW big cities like Odessa and Kiev are (mostly) left alone by the Russians for now. The reason is simple (apart from saving civilians).
    Europe is getting tired of this "war" (BJ lost his job already) and so are the Ukrainian people. The city gates will be opened soon to welcome their Russian liberators.

    Not only kiev and Odessa. Bakhmut is left alone, Avdeyevka and Nikolayev too. Zaporozhie, Krivoy Rog, Chuguev, Kharkov,Sumy, etc are all years away from taking.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:43 pm

    sepheronx wrote:https://t.me/intelslava/32794

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡ The Russian hacker group RaHDIt and the Ukrainian "Beregini" were able to obtain secret operational documents about the actions of the Ukrainian army and the real situation at the front....

    Unless they have accurate number of dead Ukrops it's not that big of a deal



    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:I just read about Elensky's plans to reconquer their lost territories with almost 1 million men...

    Hopefully it's true, that would be 1 million problems less down the road

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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:55 pm

    Why none of this is being reported here ,. by the bullshit all is great for Russian army forums ?

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    It might all be true BUT you seriously can't take an illiterate idiot as a reliable source.
    WTF is a Hymers, a Tochek-U and a Uraganov! dunno

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:09 pm

    The mental condition of this guy is worsening.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:17 pm

    Unless they have accurate number of dead Ukrops it's not that big of a deal

    More information from the Orcs themselves that might incriminate some of the people in custody around the place... that sniper might claim not to keep records of kills but his superiors might have to show how effective they are being and send more weapons and ammo soon...

    Not only kiev and Odessa. Bakhmut is left alone, Avdeyevka and Nikolayev too. Zaporozhie, Krivoy Rog, Chuguev, Kharkov,Sumy, etc are all years away from taking.

    Comes down to how long the Orcs want to hold out for and how many soldiers they are prepared to sacrifice.

    Zelensky will lose patience and do stupid things like attack Crimea or the bridge to the Crimea or claim some chemical weapon attack and the Russians will be obliged to terminate his rule and the breathing rights of any nazi alternatives to his rule... doing it too early will mean the nazis will still have full control and remain in charge but over time their position will weaken as they get eliminated and their own people start to turn on them for thinking this was a good idea...

    It might all be true BUT you seriously can't take an illiterate idiot as a reliable source.
    WTF is a Hymers, a Tochek-U and a Uraganov!

    He seems very specific about which weapons are being used against which targets... that is rather impressive... he sounds like a plant by western intel agencies to appear to be pro Russian but actually working to undermine their confidence with Chinese Whispers and disinformation.

    If only everyone was as good at fighting as he is and this war would be over because he would never make mistakes... ever...

    The Russians are not going to fight full force... sending in a million troops just massively expands the targets the Orcs have to engage and multiplies the number of support convoys they can hit and terrorist activities they can start.

    Right now they are hitting civilian areas in the same way that Saddam hit targets in the Middle East with modified Scuds... a terror weapon with no significant effect except moral and pride... mobilising the entire Russian military for that would be a joke and just present the Orcs with more targets to shoot at.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:18 pm

    Strelkov is a nobody. He isn't on the front lines, nowhere near them. And he was spreading BS and saying how Russia will fail this long before Russian victories because of "Ukrainian superiority". He lies through his teeth and was proven wrong dozens of times yet still quoted by local "intellect" here.

    He does this because he thought he could do better and got forced back to Russia or face jail time. Now he is a crying child.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:23 pm

    Mir wrote:
    Why none of this is being reported here ,. by the bullshit all is great for Russian army forums ?

    https://defenceforumindia.com/attachments/screenshot_20220711-121504-2-jpg.163577/

    It might all be true BUT you seriously can't take an illiterate idiot as a reliable source.
    WTF is a Hymers, a Tochek-U and a Uraganov! dunno

    He is a dumbass clown who got spanked by peasant uprising and is now having his period

    Pathetic Twitter diva

    Ignore the loser

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:38 pm

    I will not speak badly on strelkov, he was a veteran

    But he's no general

    Pravda sector took him and the militia out in 2014 during the ATO, with ZU-23-2

    among other such weapons

    Back then they claimed they were fighting the Russian army

    Well... I guess they really are now lmao

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:51 pm

    The point is, that any strike made by the Ukrs is being widely commented on and presented along the whole Russian-speaking net.
    People like to make hysteria and noise, so any incoming projectile is being documented.
    And there is nothing even close to what he is stating.
    Sure, some strikes have been revealed, but it is a war.
    The idea of how dumb rocket is immune to the Russian AD is hilarious. All rockets revealed till now in the hands of Ukrs are base models M26/30/31 that are really nothing fancy.
    Being bigger than Uragan system, are fully legitimate target for the AD, and claiming that Russkies can't hit them, while intercepting Grad, Uragan and Smerch missiles daily basis is utterly stupid.
    Now let's take some popcorn and watch how the republican missile troops will rain the Ukros with freshly delivered, taken out of storage Tochkas. That will be fun.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:21 pm

    Thank you Alamo and papadragon. Your comments are indeed correct.

    I read quite frequently how that Russians getting some hits on them is total failure yet they still capturing territory. Then people call for nuking Kiev.

    I find such comments hilarious and I have to point out to them that you can oversaturate any ad system.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:23 pm

    Too much time is being spent on talking about HIMARS. Biggest value to Ukraine is a real time intelligence data provided by US. Most likely, US has ramped up efforts in providing Ukrainians with real time data from recon satellites and planes. It also seems that DPR had some very big ammo depots in the rear, because they didn't expect them getting hit by Ukrainians. Their tactics will have to be changed as to size and locations of ammo depots. It will make logistics more complicated, but nothing that can't be overcome. Also, command centers will have to be better protected (fully dug in).

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    Post  limb Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:28 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Too much time is being spent on talking about HIMARS. Biggest value to Ukraine is a real time intelligence data provided by US. Most likely, US has ramped up efforts in providing Ukrainians with real time data from recon satellites and planes. It also seems that DPR had some very big ammo depots in the rear, because they didn't expect them getting hit by Ukrainians. Their tactics will have to be changed as to size and locations of ammo depots. It will make logistics more complicated, bit nothing that can't be overcome. Also, command centers will have to be better protected (fully dug in).
    Why are russian military tactics always reactive, waiting for a fuckup to happen and then fixing it? They had a month of forewarning that himars were coming.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:38 pm

    The United Snakes is basically fighting like a coward. USing pro Russians as human shields. And using hohols (ranging from pathological born scum.. to fuckwits who swallowed the propaganda) as cannon fodder. Meanwhile the Americans behind this, think they can do all this with impunity. The Pukraine now. Who next? Kazakstan? Belarus? The Caucuses? Who knows.

    I wonder how close Russia is to saying "Ok proxy war me... and I'll raise you a proxy war... and three".

    780 overseas bases, 13 sitting duck aircraft carriers, maybe 150 million disaffected blacks, hispanics, poor white trailer parkers, "Native Americans" etc etc.

    Russia could approach one of many many groups ranging Middle Eastern terrorists to take out an American aircraft carrier, base or any other asset. And use organised crime eg Lat American groups to sow the seeds of ever more destabilisation of the USA.

    Does anyone wonder if such a tactic has risen up Russia's list?
    Of course there would be "plausible deniability" towards the masses. But Russia could also put a fingerprint on it to intel services - either a vague one... or a crystal clear one.

    Who here thinks such tactics should be used? Or if not *should*, what about *could* with some success?


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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:42 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Thank you Alamo and papadragon. Your comments are indeed correct.

    I read quite frequently how that Russians getting some hits on them is total failure yet they still capturing territory.  Then people call for nuking Kiev.

    I find such comments hilarious and I have to point out to them that you can oversaturate any ad system.
    95+% of all missiles /rockets are intercepted. What is causing damage are the wrecked bodies and what´s left of the fuel or explosives. You can stop this only by deploying anti-gravity weapons but they are still top secret.  Wink 

    Jokes aside, the Nazis are using rockets which carry bomblets most of the time. You know that they were shot down because the number of victims is so small. If one of these would come through unmolested you would have 50+ dead and 100+ wounded.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:46 pm

    Firebird wrote:The United Snakes is basically fighting like a coward. USing pro Russians as human shields. And using hohols (ranging from pathological born scum.. to fuckwits who swallowed the propaganda) as cannon fodder. Meanwhile the Americans behind this, think they can do all this with impunity. The Pukraine now. Who next? Kazakstan? Belarus? The Caucuses? Who knows.

    I wonder how close Russia is to saying "Ok proxy war me... and I'll raise you a proxy war... and three".

    780 overseas bases, 13 sitting duck aircraft carriers, maybe 150 million disaffected blacks, hispanics, poor white trailer parkers, "Native Americans" etc etc.

    Russia could approach one of many many groups ranging from Latino drug cartels to Middle Eastern terrorists to take out an American aircraft carrier, base or any other asset.

    Does anyone wonder if such a tactic has risen up Russia's list?
    Of course there would be "plausible deniability" towards the masses. But Russia could also put a fingerprint on it to intel services - either a vague one... or a crystal clear one.

    Who here thinks such tactics should be used? Or if not *should*, what about *could* with some success?
    The main "proxy" war for now is at the economic front. The west is loosing his monopoly in the banking/finance sector. Trade with the west will go down in the coming years which means less and less Dollars and Euros. The bubbles will burst and the printing presses will stop. Then the 13 aircraft carriers will turn into rusting hulks in a matter of month.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:49 pm

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