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    Post  ATLASCUB Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:32 pm

    Russia was one of the countries that voted for a resolution banning Iran from acquiring weapons to defend itself. This is the same Russia that dragged its feet to deliver AD systems paid for by Iran and the same Russia that to this day hasn't shipped a single new piece of heavy hardware to arm Iran.

    The Iranians have more than a gazillion reasons to tell the Russians to stick it up their ass. Not their fault the Kremlin loved to spend its spare time trying to fit-in with the global West and sucking American cock at every chance it got (and yes, under Putin too).

    So anyway....

    Russia will have to deal with the fact that those in their procurement and planning process massively underfunded and failed to prioritize with urgency drone acquisition and drone R&D during Russia's rearmament process. You could find a million excuses like "constrained budgets", "bigger priorities" elsewhere etc... all fine and dandy! Those excuses however won't solve the problems you have now and you're in no position to get those big questions wrong. Like? What does a modern conflict look like? What kind of hardware does it require?

    In this regard, it's plain incompetence. You don't get paid to get it "wrong", specially on such sensitive matters. The dimwits here hate the word "incompetence" with a passion since western trolls love to brand that one at Russians but in this case, it's what it's - the truth.


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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:33 pm

    Erk wrote:...She said the shelling of Donetsk is going on all the time, and it's getting worse, worse than it was in 2014, and she can't understand why it's still going on.

    I too would like to know why a big city like Donetsk has not been a priority for the Russian special operation, to push the UAF away from the city?

    Because this is military operation first not humanitarian one

    And goals are geopolitical not just local

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:37 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:...KVS is this marketable as only a custom laptop, or a full main line laptop

    https://bitblaze.ru/bitblaze-titan/

    This is quite interesting , no AMD, no M1 cpu

    Bitblaze titan!

    It's a good start, the gov is ordering some, and work is needed to switch the systems to this...

    Specs don't need to be top level especially for general use laptop

    If they can keep the price low and flood the market with huge numbers them it will be a very good first step

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:39 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Bullshit... how many do they have exactly?

    If you don't know then how can you claim to know they need more or that more would make any difference at all?

    Don't you think their artillery has been so effective because they are good at guesswork?

    We have seen small drones being used by troops clearing trenches... does that suggest a lack of small drones?

    All this bullshit about lack of drones comes from two sources... sullivan... a known lying censored  and Vann... our resident jocolor and he is our resident  jocolor because he repeats  censored  like sullivan as if they know what they are talking about.


    Artillery drones and long endurance MALE and HALE drones don't get shot down as much as the smaller drones that operate at much lower altitudes.

    Who says they need more... you have not established that yet.


    People like Poddubny, Kots, Fomin and others say that they need more drones. They are there and talk to the officers in the field every day. I'm suspecting they are also used as a platform to voice displeasure of any shortcomings, they think Russian army has. Even Putin met with few of them on sidelines of SPIEF, i think.
    I suspect that Alamo like good number of people here gets info straight from Russian sources and they don't care what Sullivan or Vann or even MoA or any other pro-Russian Western source have to say about this.

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    Post  Ned86 Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:44 pm

    limb wrote:

    There is an extreme shortage of loitering munitions and forpost and orion  size armed drones. Lancets are barely used. theres not enough drones for counterbattery work. Iran has those in larger amounts. Theres only 1-3 orions being built every month, which is completely insufficient for a 2000km frontline.

    Iran is a turbocuck US asslickinging nation if it refuses to sell drones to Russia.

    They keep saying the same for cruise missiles and Iskander missiles since March, but yet they keep flying almost every day.
    Two things you'll never have a shortage in Russia are weapons and cold.

    For those claiming Russia doesn't use smart weapons -->

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:45 pm

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    kill polish civilians, larping as nazi

    actual NatSocs put you into a concentration camp for being a subhuman

    get let out because the war is getting lost, expected to fight like a true patriot.

    don't fight, immediately run away and flee to Western Germany

    KGB finds you kills you like a rat

    imagine how shit your country has to be to worship this manlet.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:48 pm

    https://t.me/intelslava/33073

    VDV kicking ass in Gostomel, the full video, never seen this footage before

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:56 pm

    JohninMK wrote:...Think first comment is correct, position of door hinges

    M142

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    FMTV with armoured windows

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    You didn't need to bother with door hinges Johnny, window size is dead giveaway (not that it would matter to LARPers on The drive)

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    Post  Ned86 Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:03 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    People like Poddubny, Kots, Fomin and others say that they need more drones. They are there and talk to the officers in the field every day. I'm suspecting they are also used as a platform to voice displeasure of any shortcomings, they think Russian army has. Even Putin met with few of them on sidelines of SPIEF, i think.
    I suspect that Alamo like good number of people here gets info straight from Russian sources and they don't care what Sullivan or Vann or even MoA or any other pro-Russian Western source have to say about this.

    One thing I can't understand are all those people masturbating on drones and exaggerating their abilities while in the same time diminish Russian air defense, cruise missiles and hypersonic weapons.
    Drones are toys nice to have, but they are not a gamechanger.

    What I always keep pointing out is that drones we usually talk about can deliver small ammunition (10-15kg warhead) which is like a regular 155mm shell hit.
    that can not match the hit made by Kh-29, Kh-59, Kh-22 or strategic Kh-101 missile and in reality it can not do much damage.

    Remember the story about Switchblade drones being a gamechanger and yet we haven't seen or heard anything about their success.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:20 pm

    For the last 60 years Russia has the best suicide drones, they´re called Kh-22 and Kh-32, Iskander and Kaliber, Kh-101 and Kinzhal. They deliver a lot of explosives over long range with unmatched precision. And most of them are much faster then a "loitering ammo" which carries 5kg of explosives with 120km/h. But Lancet and Kub drones are used everywhere, but mostly to target light targets = personnel in trenches or unarmored vehicles.

    The new factory will likely produce between 100 and 150 drones this year, next year it will be 150 to 200 and then continue until the MoD has enough. Just like Kalibers and other high-precision long-range weapons.

    The stories around the LGBTQ+ launcher (HIMARS, sounds like HIM and ARSE) is the same as with the israeli strikes in Syria. The bomb a few containers or an empty building, kill a few civilians and later on the propaganda machine claims it was an "important iranian target", at least "20 iranian Generals killed" or the "iranian nuclear program thrown back 10 years".  Rolling Eyes

    While the american miracle weapons fires 6 rockets at some village, which are shot down in 95% of all cases, in the real world 5 whole batteries of Uragan launchers shoot 300+ rockets at the Nazis, annihilating whole batallions, leaving the suvivors runnig around like headless chickens.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:21 pm

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:33 pm

    Drones aren't the reason the Russian army is taking its time either

    The real reason that Russia advances carefully is the network of trenches that have been built into the ground, extensive network with concrete bunkers and fortifications

    As well as the fortification of urban buildings where civilians reside, making it difficult to storm

    Of course based on the American experience in Mosul, Fallujah, Baghdad, Tikrit, Najaf, Hue City, and other such urban areas, the Russian army could bomb it all destroying civilian infrastructure on a massive scale

    But Russian leadership understands ruling these areas would be harder due to civilian hatred as well as the secondary task and equally important to rebuild the cities

    So drones and other such tactical weapons have no game changing effect

    The real and smart if cynical game changer is the use of urban cities and trench networks to create a defense which is entrenched

    Attacking the network with a lightning attack wouldn't work either because you have to remove the defenders from the area

    This is why Russia opted to slowly grind the VSU, in order to demilitarize them and denazify by killing them and getting them out of their defensive positions

    Russia has many Drones and precision weapons, but in the end, they would have to destroy cities as Americans did

    So the slow grind is the correct tactic to use, requiring low manpower and allowing a successful removal of VSU from their positions , instead of bypassing them to deal with an anti insurgency later

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:44 pm

    https://t.me/intelslava/33073

    Guys the 45th special guards recon VDV taking Gostomel

    At 1:30 mark what is that apparatus on the concrete? Is that a fire radar for gun battles?

    The scale of the airlift and supply is indeed a record for Airborne landing and assault

    Airborne wolf what do you think? Can you get this on Odysee

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:46 pm

    Unconfirmed reports of dozens of Ukrainian armoured vehicles and over a hundred civilian vehicles with Ukrainian terrorist personnel retreating from Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) to Konstantinovka.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:46 pm

    https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/15327

    Another badass clip of the landing in Gostomel, Airborne wolf, can you upload this to Odysee

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:55 pm

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    Mass frontal assault

    Seversk is down

    Soledar is under assault

    The VSU is running from Bakhmut

    Zelensky line was perforated at the M03 section and the Russian army is attacking Konstantinovka

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:10 pm

    Ned86 wrote:
    One thing I can't understand are all those people masturbating on drones and exaggerating their abilities while in the same time diminish Russian air defense, cruise missiles and hypersonic weapons.
    Drones are toys nice to have, but they are not a gamechanger.

    What I always keep pointing out is that drones we usually talk about can deliver small ammunition (10-15kg warhead) which is like a regular 155mm shell hit.
    that can not match the hit made by Kh-29, Kh-59, Kh-22 or strategic Kh-101 missile and in reality it can not do much damage.

    Remember the story about Switchblade drones being a gamechanger and yet we haven't seen or heard anything about their success.
    In this type of war, where both sides have strong air defences, drones will not be as useful. Drones are very useful for reconnaissance, target detection and illumination. Also, in some limited strike role. Kamikaze drones will not be able to loiter for long periods of time above battlefield, since there's oversaturation with aa systems.
    I will say that this constant talk about "game changers" is getting a bit long in the tooth already. They have their role, especially while working combined with arty, and that proves very useful in this conflict.
    This forum became place where people from opposite sides look at everything through black and white lense. That's never a case in real life.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:14 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Ned86 wrote:
    One thing I can't understand are all those people masturbating on drones and exaggerating their abilities while in the same time diminish Russian air defense, cruise missiles and hypersonic weapons.
    Drones are toys nice to have, but they are not a gamechanger.

    What I always keep pointing out is that drones we usually talk about can deliver small ammunition (10-15kg warhead) which is like a regular 155mm shell hit.
    that can not match the hit made by Kh-29, Kh-59, Kh-22 or strategic Kh-101 missile and in reality it can not do much damage.

    Remember the story about Switchblade drones being a gamechanger and yet we haven't seen or heard anything about their success.
    In this type of war, where both sides have strong air defences, drones will not be as useful. Drones are very useful for reconnaissance, target detection and illumination. Also, in some limited strike role. Kamikaze drones will not be able to loiter for long periods of time above battlefield, since there's oversaturation with aa systems.
    I will say that this constant talk about "game changers" is getting a bit long in the tooth already. They have their role, especially while working combined with arty, and that proves very useful in this conflict.
    This forum became place where people from opposite sides look at everything through black and white lense. That's never a case in real life.

    It's always rumors and news posted by the usuals who are known liars, that people still fall for as the be all of knowledge and truth - western media and politicians.

    You would think people would learn from being lied to so many times but.....

    I'm still waiting for the so called Chinese weapons that never came or happened. Now they switched from China to Iran.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:25 pm

    While you guys continue to discuss tactical weapons

    You completely let the main point go over your heads

    Do you realize the length of the Russian offensive is widening ? This is how operation bagration started

    From stalingrad it widened gradually to 150km, then 400km, then 800km, and then it was 3000km nearly

    This is how the Russian army fights

    Once they get into rythym, they expand into a huge front

    This is what we are seeing now

    Look at the Zelensky line offensive, as they expand, the front will widen

    Study bagration

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    Post  Belisarius Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:30 pm

    Isos wrote: Ukrainian did very well with dumb civilian drones armed with fancy grenades managing to destroy million dollar tanks.

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14554

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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:37 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://youtu.be/ezmWLoNDK98

    KVS , what do you think about it? I post it here as it's not related to the war in Ukraine, but is a Baikal computer,  and relates to import substitution

    KVS is this marketable as only a custom laptop, or a full main line laptop

    https://bitblaze.ru/bitblaze-titan/

    This is quite interesting , no AMD, no M1 cpu

    Bitblaze titan!

    It's a good start, the gov is ordering some, and work is needed to switch the systems to this

    Windows needs to be taken off Russian gov, and replaced , for now it will be Linux based

    Baikal requires offshore manufacturing. This was TSMC before. Chinese fabs can provide production replacement. Russia
    needs domestic fabs. But it is good to see them investing in laptops from "domestic" components. The whole problem
    has been an entry barrier for Russian products which suppresses domestic production. The problem is not lack of technological
    ability aside from lack of high resolution IC production. But this too will be remedied since the money is now flowing.

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    Post  Belisarius Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:47 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡It is reported from Donetsk that Kamenka has been completely liberated from the formations of the Kiev regime.

    The liberation of this settlement, through which the Donetsk-Konstantinovka highway passes, gives the allied forces the opportunity to come close to the enemy grouping in Avdiivka from the northeast. And this, in turn, means that the fortified areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will now be attacked not only from long-range artillery.
    https://t.me/intelslava/33075

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    Post  Belisarius Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:55 pm

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Stryapovka and Novaya Kamenka were liberated near Soledar in the LPR, Ukrainian security forces suffered significant losses in manpower and equipment — People's Militia
    https://t.me/intelslava/33092

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    Post  Belisarius Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:08 pm

    Huge amount of information from multiple sources claiming Seversk is liberated.

    I knew it would happen fast but even I’m surprised.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14580

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:16 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://youtu.be/ezmWLoNDK98

    KVS , what do you think about it? I post it here as it's not related to the war in Ukraine, but is a Baikal computer,  and relates to import substitution

    KVS is this marketable as only a custom laptop, or a full main line laptop

    https://bitblaze.ru/bitblaze-titan/

    This is quite interesting , no AMD, no M1 cpu

    Bitblaze titan!

    It's a good start, the gov is ordering some, and work is needed to switch the systems to this

    Windows needs to be taken off Russian gov, and replaced , for now it will be Linux based

    Baikal requires offshore manufacturing.   This was TSMC before.  Chinese fabs can provide production replacement.   Russia
    needs domestic fabs.   But it is good to see them investing in laptops from "domestic" components.   The whole problem
    has been an entry barrier for Russian products which suppresses domestic production.   The problem is not lack of technological
    ability aside from lack of high resolution IC production.   But this too will be remedied since the money is now flowing.


    So good - what offshore productions would you say would be good? I am wary of this because the USSR suffered from reliance on countries to produce goods

    I think Russia should invest to develop in the prototype and maybe a small line of the series production to keep the technological / intellectual property

    If they offshore it, it should be decentralized to not give one country a monopoly on production the way Taiwan is now, or the way Americans did with China

    I think Russia can make them, and strengthen the currency, to make it both affordable to produce, and to give the consumer purchasing power to buy the product

    Especially since the cost will be low anyway to establish the factories and to source the raw materials

    As far as wages, we could benefit from paying higher wages as well, it would get factored into cost, but people would make more too

    Or robotize the production line

    Idk what are you thoughts on this?

    Maybe this should be moved to another thread

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