Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21

^ JohnMK ( sorry can’t quote coz I am with mobile phone) they say the missiles were the new guided Tornado 300mm Mlrs.

DerWolf wrote:^ JohnMK ( sorry can’t quote coz I am with mobile phone) they say the missiles were the new guided Tornado 300mm Mlrs.

I read that in an earlier post and was a reason why I posted this video.

Ukrainian tank "Bulat" gets into the army of the LPR

Soldiers of the Lugansk People's Republic are towing an enemy combat vehicle. After a small repair, he will fight for the bright side.
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/5468

Arkanghelsk wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:I've expected good news on Iranian drones, but it seems that some people in Russian MIC and MOD really go out of their way to stop that. Pity, as several hundred drones would speed up operation.

There are tons of drones, everyday we see lancet and Kub used

What is the point of such a comment

Why would Russia a premier producer of drones , use Iranian systems which no serviceman is trained on?

The Russian army are professionally trained on domestic produced radio control modules and systems that are implemented across the forces and similar on systems like KUB, Lancet, Inokhodets, Orlan, and other such systems

The controls and interface also use not only similar controls, but similar terminology and Cyrillic abbreviations

So it makes no sense to do this

Iran is far ahead of Russia in manufacture, in the company such as education and weapons as well as in the field of fighting drones. Russia is lagging back here for 10 years. Anyone who denies this only makes a lie.

My demand to finally send the Foreign Minister to Iran so that the 20x Shaheed 129 incl. Teams and support with the IL-76 brings back back. Unfortunately, that only took 2 months too long.

The situation on the battlefield will change immediately. If Iranian drones are constantly in the air and the enemy has no ad, they will run like the Armenian troops. Not because they just bomb everything away. No, because the effect in your head will tell you. Without AD no more food behind the front, no amonitioning, no longer sleeping, nothing. You will always look up and nobody will protect them.

This is only possible if you have drones everywhere. Russia has too few Orions. With 20x or 40x Shahed 129 and the staff from Iran, the fascists will run ... Iran knows exactly how to do what with it. In addition, there are the self-mourning drones and the RQ-170 copies.

The cooperation between the two countries will finally deepen. This is absolutely necessary because only both have a chance to survive.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/zastavnyii/926

Apparently Lavrovs word prompted some followers to suggest that the yellow area will be absorbed

Take all of it and get Moldovia on top. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Let's test PONOS countries willingness to be the human shield for the US.

The more Russia takes the weaker NATO gets and the better it's position against China it will be.

The people of Transnistria and gaugzia have waited decades to be reunited with Russia it will happen. Even if Transnistria troops need to enter Odessa they will. These are large regions in southern Ukraine their time will come. Once Donbass is liberated it pretty much easy pickings for Russia. The only serious threat with be any dirty tactics/ criminal acts by Ukrainian troops.

There must be no Idleb 2.0. The proof that the United States has been provided by everything modern, possibly also hyperschall and nuclear weapons by bilaterally to this "Ukraine". No, no buffer, no fascists who attack like terrorists in Syria in 2030 or 2035 and NATO says we weren't.

No, Russia has to take everything now. Then build a wall to NATO and say clearly: Once you twitch ... our reaction will meet you immediately!

No more proxies at the borders of Russia. No more buffers. No fascists who get everything under hand. No more mistakes. No mercy, no negotiations!

No matter where in the world. Eliminate all buffers. There must be no space where NATO says ... We don't have Moscow nukekd, they were there ... no, no, not like that!

Face to face with NATO and every provocation is answered immediately!

Bunch of morons man

What the **** would drones do ?

Iran ahead of Russia in what? Fucking VKS is what changed Syria, not some drones

Ukraine is not gonna be solved quickly because of some fucking drones

I'm sick of hearing this Vann shit, all these claims substantiated by nothing more than war porn bullshit

Armenia ran because fucking US embassy with Pashinyan tried to **** Russia

Armenians were ready to fight, but Pashinyan thought he would put Russia in a bad spot

So Russia let Azeris move , and Russia told them where the **** to stop

Enough with this Bullshit claims by random who think they know more than fucking stavka from academy of military science

You all think of war like some abstract event occurring in space

There's a plan, and general staff is following it

Russians are not dying en masses, only if you read fucking CIA bullshit can you believe it

Half of the people here talking pure Bullshit from CIA

Guess what? RUSSIA is why Iran is even with a buffer in Syria

You think IRGC would have survived once Israeli and US came?

Hell no, shahed my ass, bunch of morons man

Did drones take Palmyra, Aleppo, Daraa, Damascus , Zaporizhia,  Kherson, Crimea, Donbass, Lughansk , Kharkov, and save North Korea with Iskander M  ?
Did Shahed kebab save Maduro? WAGNER, VKS, RUSSIA do the lifting

Fucking Chinese with 3 carriers need RUSSIA not the other way around


Get in line man  , and learn from pros

Fox News deliberating on civil war in Russia and a "2nd front" over a promised new Chechen rebellion

https://www.foxnews.com/world/putin-faces-second-war-front-chechens-threaten-new-offensive-russia

Putin faces second war front as Chechens threaten new offensive in Russia
Chechen forces could force Putin to divert troops from Ukraine as he faces down civil war at home
Caitlin McFall

Russian President Vladimir Putin could be facing another war front, this time on his own turf, as one Chechen battalion prepares a second offensive against Moscow, a spokesman for the volunteer fighting force in Ukraine said.

Following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February, volunteer Chechen forces joined the fight in support of Kyiv — fueling the flames to a long-held animus towards not only Russia, but Putin.

"We know the enemy’s positions, where Russian military bases are," Islam Belokiev, spokesman for the Sheikh Mansur Battalion, said in a video message obtained by Fox News Digital this week with the help of Ukraine Frontline Media Platform.

"We have divided the Chechen Republic of Icheriya into three fronts and 16 sectors," he added while announcing a plan to once again fight for Chechen independence.

Chechen resistance to Russian rule dates back centuries, and calls for independence began more than 30 years ago following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Broad autonomy was granted under a peace treaty signed by then Russian President Boris Yeltsin after a brutal war devastated the republic from 1994-1996.

However, disdain for Putin and a decade of war broke out after he voided the treaty and launched a deadly military campaign in 1999 following his appointment as prime minister by Yeltsin.

In an infamous speech that was a prelude to his presidential rise, Putin said, "We will pursue the terrorists everywhere. If we catch them on the toilet, we will wipe them out in the outhouse."

An estimated 160,000 people were killed in both campaigns, though exact figures remain unclear.

At least two volunteer Chechen battalions, including veteran soldiers from both the first and second Chechen wars, have taken up arms against Russia in Ukraine, including the Sheikh Mansur Battalion and the Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalion.

Both groups have been vocal in denouncing the leader of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, who was appointed to the post in 2007 by Putin and has brutally backed his war efforts against Kyiv.

A spokesman for the Sheikh Mansur Battalion said the resistance group had divided Chechnya into three sectors and claimed to have begun working with local populations "to uncover the enemy troop movements, type of transport, type of armaments, number of troops and quantity of weapons."

Fox News could not independently verify the claims, but Rebekah Koffler, a Russia expert and former intelligence officer in Russian doctrine and strategy for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), said it could serve as a strategy to distract Putin’s war effort in Ukraine.

"The possibility of them taking advantage of Putin’s forces being tied up in Ukraine to assert their independence is very plausible," she explained.

It is unclear if the Chechen volunteer forces are strategizing with Kyiv by creating a second front, but Koffler noted that even if a second front is not fully launched in Chechnya, it could still strain Putin’s forces.

It would "at least make Putin and the Russians believe that they will have to divert their attention and take eyes off Ukraine, so Ukrainians could launch a counter-offensive," she said. "That’s very clever."

What a severe bunch of clowns

Chechnya is probably the most fortified and secure region of Russia as of today. Well maybe only the Crimea and Moscow have more military forces garrisoned and well-prepared ones at that.

Yet Chechnya is supposed to face a threat from some Sheikh Mansur or Dzhokhar Dudayev battallion?
Eh?

They pretty much themselves admit its all BS in the last two sentences, but the fantasy of a Ukrainian counter-offensive that they entertain instead is scarcely better

Where was Shahed when 2015 , ISIS was fucking hezbollah and IRGC!?

????

where was drone!? When French British and US came in hot to hang Assad from lamp post?

Or did everyone forget !?

FOH , Assad and Khomeini would have a bayonet up the rear if not for RUSSIA

Where was Shahed when USS PORTER shot 59 tomahawk at Shayrat?

FOH

Amateurs man

Big boy Russia gonna settle it for you all, calm down and watch the show

I can't even begin, hezbollah was on the ropes, clobbered by lions of euphrates ISIS

Get real man

Arkanghelsk wrote:Bunch of morons man

What the **** would drones do ?

Iran ahead of Russia in what? Fucking VKS is what changed Syria, not some drones

Ukraine is not gonna be solved quickly because of some fucking drones

I'm sick of hearing this Vann shit, all these claims substantiated by nothing more than war porn bullshit

Armenia ran because fucking US embassy with Pashinyan tried to **** Russia

Armenians were ready to fight, but Pashinyan thought he would put Russia in a bad spot

So Russia let Azeris move , and Russia told them where the **** to stop

Enough with this Bullshit claims by random who think they know more than fucking stavka from academy of military science

You all think of war like some abstract event occurring in space

There's a plan, and general staff is following it

Russians are not dying en masses, only if you read fucking CIA bullshit can you believe it

Half of the people here talking pure Bullshit from CIA

Guess what? RUSSIA is why Iran is even with a buffer in Syria

You think IRGC would have survived once Israeli and US came?

Hell no, shahed my ass, bunch of morons man

Did drones take Palmyra, Aleppo, Daraa, Damascus , Zaporizhia,  Kherson, Crimea, Donbass, Lughansk , Kharkov, and save North Korea with Iskander M  ?
Did Shahed kebab save Maduro? WAGNER, VKS, RUSSIA do the lifting

Fucking Chinese with 3 carriers need RUSSIA not the other way around


Get in line man  , and learn from pros

Wipe your foam off your mouth and learn respect. It's about the effect in the head and not superstition.

Drones against Russian floor troops: Minimal effect
Why? Because TOR and Panzir

Drones against Ukraine and Co.: Effect high
Why because no Shorad AD.

Learn from professionals. The Iranians kept Syria with their victims in the game. Russia did nothing until 2015. The Iranians still keep Syria in the game today. No more Saa without Iraner. Russia could also send 10x more planes there.

Effect: zero

If you can't stop other opinions, go to the West and wipe away other opinions. Seems to be a serious problem for you.

Iran was on the ropes, getting knocked around by ISIS

USA was clobbering hezbollah, IRGC SAA



Where the F was Shahed?

Russia saved all those asses

Russia don't need anyone

When China has courage to do SMO, they can call us for help , the real pros

For those who don't remember

2011 Arab spring Gaddaffi Killed

2012 Syria taken down with Egypt and other states

2013 Obama and Muslim Brotherhood running timber sycamore , training the rebels, using chlorine attacks

2014 Obama unleashes ISIS and Debaltseve , MH17 shot down, more sanctions

2015 Novichok, Russia comes to Syria and saves Assad and Iran, Israel gets f16 blown out of the sky by updated IADS- sanctions increase

2016 Trump comes in, swinging, he goes to blast Shayrat, Russia stops him and infiltrates his cabinet

2017 Deep state in frenzy, losing Syrian war , they stage several more chemical attacks, Wagner shows up to Libya

2018 Russia retakes central Syria, Homs, Damascus
Trump faces down North Korea, Nuclear confrontation, Russia gives NK Iskander

2019 Palmyra 2, battles rage across the middle east and Africa, battles with GNA and Muslim Brotherhood

2020 Nagorno Karabakh , Aleppo offensive, Covid, Coup d'etat by deep state, Soleimani is assassinated, COVID unleashed

2021 world lockdown, great reset

2022 JFO unleashed on Russian border, Russia pre empt war, strikes JFO and Kiev, demilitarization and denazification proceed

These things happen according to a political and economic timeliness

Hybrid proxy war is fought with other considerations

The military doesn't fight in a vacuum , but must process political information ,

So Ukraine war will continue in similar format until :



This was done across 7 to 8 years

Ukraine will be a long time

This is not even mentioning what happened in South America, Bolivia coup for Lithium

Venezuelan assassination attempt, Wagner arrives in Antonov, upgrading S300

Brazilian Amazon fires

The world is in ww3, fought by Hybrid means

And for fucking clowns on here, to be talking about drones

Are you serious?

Some say mobilization

I cannot even begin, how short sighted and infantile some of this shit sounds

There are other considerations than pure tactical minutiae, about HIMARS, m777, TB2, shit like this

This is just a small component , of the real war

Most here have displayed what little they know of the 3rd world war being fought now

And do not understand the 6 dimensional showdown of life and death

Which Putin and Kremlin give collective west a big run for their money, and fight outstanding in WW3

While China and Iran would be toasted

China fist fighting with India on Mt. Everest lmao, while Republicans are coming to **** China up in Taiwan, and those guys think Fujian gonna save em

Jinping got another thing coming

And Iran is LUCKY, Russia met these guys, with Israel shitting itself that Aliyah organization got thrown out of Russia

Архангельск wtf man? Are you on крокодил or something?

flamming_python wrote:
What a severe bunch of clowns

Chechnya is probably the most fortified and secure region of Russia as of today. Well maybe only the Crimea and Moscow have more military forces garrisoned and well-prepared ones at that.

Yet Chechnya is supposed to face a threat from some Sheikh Mansur or Dzhokhar Dudayev battallion?
Eh?

They pretty much themselves admit its all BS in the last two sentences, but the fantasy of a Ukrainian counter-offensive that they entertain instead is scarcely better

Fox goes between that and shit talking Zelensky... playing both sides

What you ( iyle26) say is true . However it is not the quantity of work that benefits , but it's quality too . It will bring the two sides together , their Engineers , to share technology and work together . These people then promoted within respective industries , will exercise political power in the direction of greater military and industrial cooperation . Both nations face similar problems from West . This is long term problem .

Now Vann was not completely mad about drones . The problem was that he paid more importance to them than they deserved . Also it looked like he was saying Russia to buy Turkish drones ! But this idea was not good for Russia . ! like Iranians buying Boeing passenger planes . The same company making F22 . Helping this company to make more bombs to put on Iranian heads . Same with Turkish drones company selling to Ukraine to put bombs on Russian heads or Syrian heads . It is just logic .

Now large make drones , as you say are good against sandal-wearing folk ! Not ones with Eastern and western AD ! How many Turkish drones did Russia shoot down ? Therefore a new attack drone or target drone needs to be made . Very cheaply . With high speed , jet power and able to do acrobatics to move away from AD missile , like fighter pilot ! This tactic reports AD missile and makes it not economical .

Then either fighter aircraft or other male drone can go in . It is this type of co-operation that is important . Benefits both sides against barbaric EUROPE and America and NATO . I think Iranians shared technology with Russia and China , when they capture American drone !

sepheronx wrote:

They been dreaming of some made up rebellion in Russia for decades.  They don't even know what they are talking about but whatever. They think that Russia doesn't even have an Intel agency either.

Western media is just beyond ridiculous. They though are trying to make it sound like Russia will fall apart yet they themselves are falling apart.

Downplaying Russia , has nothing to do with actual assessment

They have no intention to go to war with Russia, and are far from days of Chechen wars, let alone Kazakh color revolutions

They can mask it as they like but they do so to distract their population and prepare the people for the confrontation with China

The Americans are not competing with Russia for ideological influence like cold war

It is purely economic competition with their competitors EU, as well as potential rival China

They would like energy resources Russia has, and strategic control that Russia offers

But they don't have time for it

Pelosi goes to Taiwan, precisely to provoke something there

Americans are concerned about hegemony , and they want to create full scale rupture with Russia and China

Curiously they failed with Russia, at most Nord Stream 2 was delayed, but Russian profit has soared , as did volume of oil sales to China and India, so it was a failure for them , some sanctions were caused between Russia and EU, but judging by Nord Stream 1 and bypassing their own sanctions EU is not quite ready to break off everything with Russia

Anyway the US is moving on to China and seeks to sweep Ukraine under the rug, it is convenient to demonize Russia, but even if they can smear Russia, it doesn't matter if Europe maintains some economic relations with Moscow

US hoped for full rupture and to some degree politically it was achieved, but long way to go and more escalation is needed to stop EU RU trade

Anyway they hope for something to happen with Taiwan now

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

Iran is far ahead of Russia in manufacture, in the company such as education and weapons as well as in the field of fighting drones. Russia is lagging back here for 10 years. Anyone who denies this only makes a lie.

My demand to finally send the Foreign Minister to Iran so that the 20x Shaheed 129 incl. Teams and support with the IL-76 brings back back. Unfortunately, that only took 2 months too long.

The situation on the battlefield will change immediately. If Iranian drones are constantly in the air and the enemy has no ad, they will run like the Armenian troops. Not because they just bomb everything away. No, because the effect in your head will tell you. Without AD no more food behind the front, no amonitioning, no longer sleeping, nothing. You will always look up and nobody will protect them.

This is only possible if you have drones everywhere. Russia has too few Orions. With 20x or 40x Shahed 129 and the staff from Iran, the fascists will run ... Iran knows exactly how to do what with it. In addition, there are the self-mourning drones and the RQ-170 copies.

Every branch and most units have access to drones, which are directly affecting the success of these units. With small drones they are provided with enough information of the battlefield in their vicinity to plan and conduct offensive/defensive tasks. The civilian population in Russia is also helping and regularly making donations to buy more of such drones as they are often used to figure out where the enemy is and losing them in the process. So this field is mostly covered.

MALE drones have been deployed since the operation started and the issue that seems to haunt people is pretending that some sort of weapon or tool is a wunderwaffe that can turn the tide. IF that was the case, Kokaina would have been able to destroy our AD and artillery batteries. They have the numerical superior force and entire NATO Intel behind their backs to figure out where the weak points are. Daily satellite images, entire intel infrastructure of NATO and being on their home soil with to many russophobes who happily are ratting out positions of our boys.

We don't have a single evidence to believe that any form of drones is going to turn events whatsoever.

Since over a century the biggest effect on all battlefields has always been artillery and that has not changed but only improved. Russia was conducting pin point "headshots" with 152mm Artillery Krasnopol rounds on S-300s, command centres and intel gathering within cities.

There are no wunderwaffel as you might believe. Nobody denies that drones have their purpose and effect on the battlefield, but the effect they have is an isolated impact of demoralization of 10-30 people while killing at most 5 at a time, while Artillery is cheap as hell and Russia hasn't even depleted its Soviet era stocks of the 70's let alone the huge stock of the 80's that is still waiting for NATO dogs. The effect on the battlefield of Artillery is undeniable a freaking 60% of casualties of personal and casualties of tanks, IFVs and APCs above 30%. If we believe the 100.000 casualties on Ukropian's side than artillery single handedly has decimated roughly 60.000 men.

Drones total intel is still not as high as the intel that is NATO providing, so why then are Kokainians not destroying Russia's limited amount of AD and Artillery compared to their 1 Mln, army and the 40 bln USD land lease. Of course we know why, but it is about time to realize that there are no one man armies or wunderwaffles like the West always tries to market their products and their military.

One VSU hohol is worth more than a full barrack of western Iraq/Afghanistan veterans with more than 10 years of "war" experience. The same can be said about many parts of western equipment.

Russia has never treated anything as a wunderwaffe and was always focused to have several systems overlapping others to ensure not to have one-point-failure prone systems. They have invented composite armor, reactive armor, soft-kill and hard-kill systems as you can not rely on only one component, the same goes for every other branch and technology which has overlapping systems for protection or redundancy.


They do nothing else but invent "Wunderwaffe" for twitter and propaganda but in the real world it is just a system that almost all armies who spend money on their military, have. The Wunderwaffe HIMARSS should turn the tide with only 4-8 delivered. So if less than 10 can turn the tide why wouldn't the US not deliver 100 or 1000 of them to vaporize Russia once and for all and not losing a single of their soldiers in the process, while on top showing their mighty weapons. Little Kokaina destroyed the 2nd biggest and most powerful army in the world, which would only make the US shine even more.

You should treat everything as it is just a tool to do some job. Wunderwaffen are for Propaganda and Hollywood and have no place in the real world. Just remember we have a huge Wunderwaffe called Thermonuclear bombs and missiles and their "Wunder" is only working partially by trying to scare potential enemies away. Now that huge wunderwaffe is not scaring the US enough and drones or artillery are just firecrackers to them.

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
Face to face with NATO and every provocation is answered immediately!

Well, I can not say that I disagree, but the time will come after Putin where Russia will be not fucked around with.

Arrow wrote:An agreement will be signed today on the unblocking of Ukraine's ports and the export of Ukrainian grain.

Shoigu is in Istanbul signing an agreement

Wonder what it all means

If there is an offensive coming on Odessa, what then is the value of such an agreement ?

Temporary food relief? And what if they transport weapons?

Bosphorus must be reopened to military traffic if that's the case

Military escort for ships carrying grain under the agreement is not planned - TASS, citing a source

Russia is preparing for a massive offensive to end this war once and for all, they will do it in the next 30 days - military observer, retired US Army Colonel Douglas McGregor

Zelensky is actually the leader now. He has an army there - nationalists who are trying to control what is left. But the truth is that the Ukrainian troops have failed – they cannot regain what they have lost. The bulk of the Russian army has been withdrawn. They've been resting and recovering for the past few weeks. They are preparing for a massive offensive to end this war once and for all. I think it's time to end this all that the Russians will do - within 30 days.

Nobody in Europe wants war with the Russians. Most of the armed forces of these countries are purely symbolic. Scenery! They haven't fought in decades. And they are definitely not ready to take the blow of the Russians. The Russian army only seemed inept, but now we see that for 150 days there has been a continuous struggle with the Ukrainian troops and their literal destruction.

So no one wants to have anything to do with this war, the Europeans are not ready to fight. I think they were following Biden's injunction that Putin's resignation should be hastened and that would cause disaster in Russia. And they believed it. Now we've got a lesson. Russia has plenty of resources, perhaps the most resource-rich country, and is not going to back down. And Putin's popularity ratings are going through the roof. After all, he defended Russia.

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So what is the point of grain shipment agreement ?

Is it strictly Russian - Turkish agreement with Ukrainians as token signatories?