Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21

limb wrote:Whydid the Russian MOD habe no problems with license producing an Israeli drone, but theyre so apprehensive qbout using iranian drones? Is there a jew lobby trying to firce russian soldiers not to use Iranian weapons?

Why was the Russian MoD also ok with buying canon cameras for the orlan?

ucmvulcan wrote:

limb wrote:Whydid the Russian MOD habe no problems with license producing an Israeli drone, but theyre so apprehensive qbout using iranian drones? Is there a jew lobby trying to firce russian soldiers not to use Iranian weapons?

Why was the Russian MoD also ok with buying canon cameras for the orlan?

Diplomacy/chess/poker.  The SMO is but one very small part of a global game.  Yeah, the Ukrainian proxy war is nothing but the newest chapter in the Great Game.  Part of the great game is influencing or attempting to influence potential partners in other fronts so you visit your allies and people who are not entirely against you.  Sometimes you see the same people as your opponent.  Its why when Biden was in Saudi Arabia Putin was meeting with Erdogan and the Ayatollahs.  Its why Lavrov dropped in to the G20 summit.  Ukraine is but a smaller piece of a much larger game that is very nuanced and complex.

Arkanghelsk wrote:There are more than 50 Orions in service

Where is there a drone shortage

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:There are more than 50 Orions in service

Where is there a drone shortage

If that was correct we would see a daily footage of strikes.
I don't even care that much about strike component but about long range recon. It would help immensely with liquidation of MLRS and SPGs. You solved those and war is over.

Arkanghelsk wrote:There are more than 50 Orions in service

Where is there a drone shortage

Arkanghelsk wrote:

There are daily footage of strikes

Wtf are you watching? And as papadragon said

It's obvious now, noone in MOD is focused on speed

They are killing every hohol, that's how it ends

To kill every last Ukrainian

A hohol that runs is a nazi hohol

A hohol who stands is a well disciplined nazi hohol

This is a body count war , simply

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

There are daily footage of strikes

Wtf are you watching? And as papadragon said

It's obvious now, noone in MOD is focused on speed

They are killing every hohol, that's how it ends

To kill every last Ukrainian

A hohol that runs is a nazi hohol

A hohol who stands is a well disciplined nazi hohol

This is a body count war , simply

Drone strikes. Don't play dumb with me.
By destroying Ukrainian arty faster, you've destroyed, by far, best component of their army.
And you reduce further losses of your soldiers and civilians. It's pretty simple.

limb wrote:
Yes. 500 dead terrbats are worth less than one ploinked krab or pzh2000

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukrainian manpower and artillery are on the line , where MLRS and artillery that Russian army has in thousands combined with Orlan 10 are superior to wasting a MALE drone on a frontline target
According to your logic they don't even need MALE drones, as it is too risky to use them. I would use them primarily for observation purposes in any case.

For the rear, the cruise missiles of the VMF and army are much better to deal with those targets that are hundreds of KM away

I was talking about SPGs and MLRS. Satellites will not help you with those as they are constantly changing positions. More eyes on the battlefield means better results. You can eliminate them via regular arty or MLRS fire.

Especially the speed of arrival , a kalibr travels 1000km/hr
That doesn't make any sense in counter-battery fight.

No drone can conduct this speed of strike and is easy for Ukrainian AD to shoot down
Another use case where superior recon would do good things. Elimination of BUKs and other AA systems

Also satellites are better than sending drones to get shot down to recon the rear
No they are not. And Russia need far more observation satellites, in any case  

Russian army knows what it's doing , some drones change nothing

caveat emptor wrote:I've expected good news on Iranian drones, but it seems that some people in Russian MIC and MOD really go out of their way to stop that. Pity, as several hundred drones would speed up operation.

Werewolf wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/zastavnyii/926

Apparently Lavrovs word prompted some followers to suggest that the yellow area will be absorbed

Take all of it and get Moldovia on top. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Let's test PONOS countries willingness to be the human shield for the US.

The more Russia takes the weaker NATO gets and the better it's position against China it will be.

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/PolinaPomorenko/status/1550071454498177025

Arkanghelsk wrote:

You say it would "speed things up"

But right now it's not about that, is about killing them by the thousands

Backman wrote:
I understand why. Iran is never a good business partner with Russian MiC. They'd rather make copies of the great satan's jets and fly the great satan's old F-14's than hash out a deal with Russia.

They used Ukraine and Belarus to service their Russian stuff. Always avoiding Russia.

As soon as the Iran deal passed , they stiffed Russia on the SSJ order and ran as quickly as they could to fill the order books with the great satan and allies. Like buying ATR's instead of SSJ's. They could have bought some SSJ's to just get a business relationship going. But nope.

To say it's "costing lives" because Iran isn't selling drones to Russia is sensationalist tripe.

...The Russian army regularly strikes targets in Ukraine with quasi-ballistic, aeroballistic or cruise missiles of operational-tactical, medium and long range, sea, land and air based. The enemy is still waiting for them to run out, but this will never happen - the industry has already reached such a rate of production that it covered the mass consumption of missiles and various guided munitions since the first days of the SMO. Now their production exceeds the daily consumption. That is, the stocks of these weapons, on the contrary, are growing....

...The astonishing number of cruise missiles Russia expended since the start of SMO, which started to circulate recently in Western media, of around 2,500 is already more than the number of Tomahawks the United States spent in all of her military campaigns combined in the 20th and 21st centuries...

DerWolf wrote:What is difficult in producing drones (assuming Russia is struggling in this area), they don’t look too complicated to be produced.