Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

Take Peski for example. Very fortified Northwestern part of the village. Why not bomb it to smithereens from the sky? It's not a very big are - won't need a lot of bombs (cost not too high).

LMFS wrote: Western weapons are operated by amateurs, since there are no qualified specialists;

Most of the M777777 and HIMASS are operated by NATO people. So, yes. Amateurs. 

ALAMO wrote:Lusia is whining that Iran has already delivered 46 drones to Russia, and those are actively used.
Not that I would put much attention to what this notorious liar is saying, but the info is coming and coming from different directions.
There is no smoke without fire.
While Erdo is going to Sochi at the very moment to bold the fact of Russian isolation ...

This is a type of hate spew since these clowns are implicitly asserting that Russia can't make its own drones and
that foreign supplied ones make a significant contribution.

GarryB wrote " The Soviets dealt with tunnels in Afghanistan in the 1980s... they know what they are doing... some very specialist equipment too... " yes I quickly read the way they destroyed tunnels , using even explosive gas . Once tunnels are detected , then destroying is relatively easy , even for deeper ones . unless they are under a mountain , like hundred or more meters . I saw a TV programme , narrated by late Charleton Heston , the actor , that showed a tunnel in Vietnam , that was photographed from an aircraft , using x - ray fluorescence . I think an incident beam of X- ray was used to exite more X- ray emissions by tunnel materials / cavity . Someone once said that a nuclear device exploding over a country , will generate enough X - ray fluorescence in deeper tunnel systems . There are now hand - held X - ray detectors .


I also read today , that as well as ground penetrating RADAR ( GPR ) and sonar , that laser scan of surface , following a vibration ( explosive ) , using reflected Doppler shift , can image underground structures . Once location found , then that area can repeatedly be hit remotely , to cause a cave - in , and make tunnel useless . Seven meters can be reached with a few heavy strikes , even from artillery or mortar .

flamming_python wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Ukro prisoners that are captured more than once after an oath not to pick up arms again should be sacrificed to Cthulhu on the shores of the Azov Sea. Altar, long robbed cultists and all.

Artillery crews taken prisoner should have the book thrown at them and be investigated for involvement in war crimes. The slightest hint that they shot deliberately at civilian infrastructure and off to Siberia to pickaxe ore for a living.. for quite a long living actually

Everyone else taken prisoner should be treated indeed, like someone taken into the precinct. Arrested, put in a cell, bedding/water/food, pending investigation or release or exchange.

DNR forces a while back announced that no Ukie artillery crews would be taken prisoner. Simpler and cheaper that way.

I'm not a softie when it comes to people who potentially put women and children at risk or can be accused of having deliberately targeted such - but I tend to think summary executions bring more trouble than they're worth, and a decade or two decade's long's foray as slave labour on remote mines and railroads to keep busy those that have decided to occupy their life with war crimes - would be rather more profitable for the state. Germans and Japanese POWs after all weren't executed either and the work they carried out building up infrastructure, factories and various facilities. Where would Perm Krai or Magadan be without them?

https://www.rbth.com/history/334372-german-prisoners-of-war-in-ussr

“This house was built by German war prisoners” – Russians still say with respect about 1950s buildings, some of them really built by Germans

Your beloved Ukrainians again?

Not executing these German POWs was a big mistake.


It is not like the Germans and Ukrainians were sparing our people:


http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944


http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html



Internationalism to the point of stupidity, that is what it was.

They killed millions and later even benefited from it, instead of really getting punished, "because their labor is needed."

Because of such attitude and behavior many people in the world think the Russians are dumb.



And by a strange coincident the Japanese POWs were not entirely spared. See the claims about how many of them died in the Soviet captivity.

And the Japanese were not into mass killing of the Soviets, like the Germans were.

Somebody needed to avenge the defeat of 1905 I guess?


And also check the data on the captured Italian POWs, who massively died in the Soviet captivity, if some claims are to be believed, yet the Italians overall where nowhere as bloodthirsty and brutal to the Soviets as the Germans were.

Does this make any sense?

I am sure the Italians would have been useful as laborers.

Many Russians continue to say they are the same people

Which makes no sense, what does "same people" even mean?

It's prehistoric Russian thinking by soviet boomers

Ukrainians are another state , another people, another language and identity, which decided to make an enemy of Russians and Russian language and genocide Russians

All Ukrainians and everything Ukrainian should be destroyed , thats it

Too many Ukrainian scum in Russia , the mixed families have us fucked and no hard measures are taken to appease these scum

dionis wrote:Take Peski for example. Very fortified Northwestern part of the village. Why not bomb it to smithereens from the sky? It's not a very big are - won't need a lot of bombs (cost not too high).

Would it not be cheaper to send in 4 TOS 1 and obliterate it? That way they can at least send in some special forces to observe where the enemy is and focus the fire on them.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Many Russians continue to say they are the same people

Which makes no sense, what does "same people" even mean?

It's prehistoric Russian thinking by soviet boomers

Ukrainians are another state , another people, another language and identity, which decided to make an enemy of Russians and Russian language and genocide Russians

All Ukrainians and everything Ukrainian should be destroyed , thats it

Too many Ukrainian scum in Russia , the mixed families have us fucked and no hard measures are taken to appease these scum

Really shouldn't confound the destructive, hateful and genocidal mindset of crazy western Ukrainian "Galician" nationalism with the average everyday Ukrainian.

True, this originally quite localized poison has long been forced upon the country at large by the ruling clique, since the two U.S-sponsored "revolutions", but there's been considerable resistance to it (duh...)

There are assloads of Ukrainians and mixed Russian-Ukrainians who aren't poisoned by it. My extended family, for instance.

You sound kind of racist to be honest, as you seem to imply that there's just something in the genes that makes them go politically apeshit.

So do we say "Ukrainians aren't Russians" and run away from it all?

Next is it "Belarussians aren't Russians, Siberians aren't Russians, Chechens, Altais. Tatars, Yakuts" etc . Surely u don't want that?

The American demons in Washington have been brainwashing the hohols for ages "you are not Russians, Russia is your enemy".

Well **** the Americans, these scummy ones I mean.

The Ukraine is as much a part of Russia as Muscovy. Thats why this operation is on.

As for the hohol excuse for a language. Well let it operate like the Altai, Yakut and other languages.... at best.  The natural order will make it less relevant given what the people of the region (minus NATO meddling) actually are. A strong Russia means a strong Russian language unifying its peoples is inevitable. Crush the Banderites, crush the nationalist filth and Hohol "language" become less and less forced upon them, less "desirable" if indeed it was ever even remotely. Remember even the scummy puppet leaders of "the Ukraine" don't even speak Ukrainian. Its simply a device of the Americans to cause bloodshed and misery. Kill the deception, kill the trash it spawns.

The truth is, as part of Russia, the garbage that is "Ukrainian" becomes  Surzhyk and Surzhyk becomes far less different than Muscovite or St Pburg Russian. Remove the disease of hohol nationalism and they become a region. A region that was duped by Uncle Sham the Satan. To put it another way, Ukrainian is basically a piss poor attempt to formalise a Russian dialect. Its like Geordie people in England claiming to be a separate nationality, for example.

China has many languages and its still one China. The Slavic langauges are more similar... but the West divided the Slavic world.

Anyway to conclude, the Ukraine belongs to Russia. Ukrainians belong to Russia. Those that don't like it can rot in a jail once convicted. Or **** off to Germany and clean toilets/suck German bratwurst (male or female hohols) given that Hohol-land seems to be infected with 'elensky's media class Western style faggotry).

Airbornewolf wrote:

The people you need to hit, are in Brussel's NATO HQ orchestrating all of this.

Interesting scenario, what would happen if Brussels was hit with tactical nukes launched from Ukraine? How would NATO respond?

The south and east of "Ukraine" is Russian land populated by Russian people. That they have been brainwashed to think that
they are Ukrainians even if they never spoke the western Ukrian mova, does not delete this reality.

The Ukrainians in Russia are indeed from western Ukraine. For some reason a lot of them went to work in Russia from there even
though they hate Russia and Russians. But don't lump these with people from Donbass.

Any good evidence of HIMARS destroyed?

mnztr wrote:

dionis wrote:Take Peski for example. Very fortified Northwestern part of the village. Why not bomb it to smithereens from the sky? It's not a very big are - won't need a lot of bombs (cost not too high).

Would it not be cheaper to send in 4 TOS 1 and obliterate it? That way they can at least send in some special forces to observe where the enemy is and  focus the fire on them.

The TOS won't crack 7m underground concrete bunkers...

A few articles going around with video footage of Ukrainian troops from territorial militia complaining that after five days training being sent to frontline with small arms only. And that they had no fire support as zelensky had sent a lot of artillery South for his PR stunt about a counteroffensive in Kherson. The troops complained being targeted by Russian mortars, artillery and tanks. The unit in the video was now on a rest period in the rear and were being told they were going back to the frontline thru are now refusing to return and would rather face prison.
https://fb.watch/eJlMtpVEh0/
I would say it's to be expected and I would imagine more will follow.

I know that it's being mentioned but here's an article about radar reflectors that Russia has been using to counter HIMARS.


Russia, on its part, is trying to evade enemy fire by deploying countermeasures. Russians have deployed an array of pyramidal radar reflectors in the water to the west of the Antonivsky bridge and near the rail bridge. The Antonivsky Bridge is just upstream of Kherson.

Besides the satellite imagery, footage of ferry operations next to the defunct Antonivskiy Bridge has also surfaced. In the video, as could be seen below, Pyramidal radar reflectors spaced out alongside the span could be seen between the two partially destroyed bridges.

It becomes evident that Russia installed these radar corner reflectors at both locations, creating a “phantom” or “ghost” bridge that can be seen next to the actual bridges on the satellite-based radar. This should also give its forces time to repair the real bridges, risk-free from attacks.

EurAsian Times reached out to Defense expert Girish Linganna to understand how Russia plans to defend itself using these radar reflectors. He said, “In Ukraine, reports suggest troops are using Guided MLRS that adds on the use of GPS coordinates of the target and the inertial navigation system. This has devastated the Russians in Kherson, who have tried to move their supplies closer to civilian centers. This precision targeting in urban setup is where HIMARS shines.

“They have deployed pyramidal radar deflectors. Although the Ukrainian soldiers can spot their targets with the naked eye, the missile system using radars and satellite imagery (also using specialized radars) cannot, by its design, locate a target. The system sees the entire stretch as one flat surface. Russians exploit a technical flaw in how HIMARS works to protect their supply line

The purpose of these radar reflectors or the crude metallic objects, sometimes known as corner reflectors, is, thus, to deceive approaching radar-guided missiles meant to strike the bridge. It may be done by offering a more enticing target or making it harder to target the area itself.

However, the HIMARS are not radar-guided systems. Ukraine’s only long-range radar-guided weapon is the Harpoons, which are not designed for attacking targets from the ground.

Linganna explains, “GMLRS uses GPS coordinates of the target and its inertial navigation system. The GPS coordinates are provided using intel from other sources such as satellites. The radar is used by satellites to pick the GPS coordinates. In HIMARS, as used in Ukraine, the missile does not have radar, but systems that feed GPS to GMLRS use radar to find the target coordinates.”

While several others are questioning the effectiveness of such a simple system against sophisticated weapons like the HIMARS, the Russian move seems to be based on a thought-out idea. As for now, Russia has established that radar reflectors are its weapon of choice when it comes to protecting bridges.

https://eurasiantimes.com/russia-exploits-technical-flaw-in-himars-deploys-radar-reflectors/?amp

Arkanghelsk wrote:Many Russians continue to say they are the same people

Which makes no sense, what does "same people" even mean?

It's prehistoric Russian thinking by soviet boomers

Ukrainians are another state , another people, another language and identity, which decided to make an enemy of Russians and Russian language and genocide Russians

All Ukrainians and everything Ukrainian should be destroyed , thats it

Too many Ukrainian scum in Russia , the mixed families have us fucked and no hard measures are taken to appease these scum

One who knows the history of Russia knows that there are only Russians and thus we are the same people.

It has been already mentioned here several times and every census done prior to Bolshevic's reign shows only Russians and never any Ukrainians as they have not been invented prior to 20th century.

Here is a census from Russian Empire 1892.


You can see Velikorossy, Malorossy and Belorussy and all are summarized under nationality of Russians.  With all historical maps and official conducted census will show nothing about Ukrainians and by their version they are 140.000 year old nationality and the true slavs while we are Mongloids, the bastards of the Golden Horde. You can say whatever you want about Russians and the Russian history but they always at all times were very meticulously in getting all information about the nationality.

Genetically there are no phenotypic distinctions between Russians and Ukrainians and thus Russians and Ukrainians have to ask questions to figure out who they are talking to. Comparing Russians with other slavic people we can make a distinction by comparing phenotypical characteristics between eastern and western slavs and someone who has seen enough faces will be able to distinguish Polish from Russians, but cannot tell Belorussians, Russians and Ukranians apart....guess why

With a polish wife I understand the language rather well and can tell you that Ukranian is an artificial language that is half Russians and half Polish. The Ukranian language exists in different degrees as part of the Russian language. Some have just different pronunciations of Russian letters like a "Г" is pronounced as "X" (h) while the closer you get to the polish border the more Polish you hear with fragments of Russian. This is not a language but a normal phenomenon for people living at a border and especially people who end up on the other side of the border after military operations or political instability. Odin of Ossetia as a Polish guy will probably be able to understand Kokainian as they borrow half their "language" from Polish and don't even change the words nor pronunciation for the biggest part.

The objective must be clear to wipe out this artificial creation once and for all and unite Russians once again. This certainly can not work if anyone carries the lie of Ukro-Slavs and Russo-Ugro-Finnic bullshit.

mnztr wrote:Any good evidence of HIMARS destroyed?

No so far. except claims and RuMoD briefings. if you want the level of M-109 and M-777 tho. there are pics of FMTV which claimed as Himars but it's not.

HIMARS are some way behind front-lines, and are strategic weapon systems to boot effectively

Unlikely anyone will take pics of destroyed units or any will be captured

What's with the ludicrous invincibility of the HIMARS trash? Why are HIMARS units going to have immunity from destruction that
Smerch systems do not have? Ukria has lost vast amounts of its MLRS systems and the number of HIMARS it got (less than 18)
is a total joke. That includes all the wanking over the Antonovsky bridge.

kvs wrote:What's with the ludicrous invincibility of the HIMARS trash?   Why are HIMARS units going to have immunity from destruction that
Smerch systems do not have?   Ukria has lost vast amounts of its MLRS systems and the number of HIMARS it got (less than 18)
is a total joke.   That includes all the wanking over the Antonovsky bridge.

Imagine being such a fool you think HIMARS is a trash system...Just goes to show how blind you are to reality

Any actual news, gentlemen? Or are we just gonna piss in the wind, armchair style?

dionis wrote:

mnztr wrote:

Would it not be cheaper to send in 4 TOS 1 and obliterate it? That way they can at least send in some special forces to observe where the enemy is and  focus the fire on them.

The TOS won't crack 7m underground concrete bunkers...

Yes but won't the thermobarics suffocate anyone in those bunkers?

PapaDragon wrote:
Any actual news, gentlemen? Or are we just gonna piss in the wind, armchair style?

believe the russians captured a few minor settlements sides that, nothing of note

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

kvs wrote:What's with the ludicrous invincibility of the HIMARS trash?   Why are HIMARS units going to have immunity from destruction that
Smerch systems do not have?   Ukria has lost vast amounts of its MLRS systems and the number of HIMARS it got (less than 18)
is a total joke.   That includes all the wanking over the Antonovsky bridge.

Imagine being such a fool you think HIMARS is a trash system...Just goes to show how blind you are to reality

It's a guided Smerch like a whole bunch Ukraine has anyway? Or had? Adding TWELVE of them to Ukraine's forces won't change much.