The strikes Ukraine managed are not a death sentence
But it still shows negligence of command
No. It shows pussies who cry at any minor success by their enemy should not monitor the situation so closely to reduce the amount of tears they shed and to suppress their calls for everyone to be fired or put on trial for negligence.
Especially when those minor successes turn out to mostly be lies.
As for the war, the meat grinder is also useless if every last asshohol will die in it sacrificing the people and "economically productive" regions that are being justified as the reason for taking the south and east in the first place
Again... spreading western propaganda... are you saying Putin invaded to steal the most productive and valuable lands in Ukraine?
Kiev thanks you for your support... this was about eliminating a threat, which were the nazis in charge of the entire country... once they are eliminated then the people of the Ukraine that are left can do as they please as long as that does not include forming an army or navy or air force and allowing HATO or the EU on to their territory again.
The only people saying the east and the south will join the RF is some of those people on that territory and after their recent experience with Kiev I can understand why.
No one wanted a meat grinder? That's exactly what the decision makers in DC and London and their paymasters wanted and that is what they got.
Except it was supposed to be Russian conscripts that were to be the source of the meat... but they don't care who provides the meat source... neither side can vote them out of their cushy jobs.
But let's cut the bullshit- Maidan was entirely supported and desired by Ukrainian people
All the BS about Russian speaking oppressed people's is just that- BS
Maidan in Kiev is not what Maidan was in the south and east of the country... if Kiev had gotten enough thugs and nazis to Crimea in time it would not have been the bloodless that it ended up being... it probably would have been more of what we saw in the Donbass for the last half decade or more, but the orcs never had the numbers in the Crimea so they would have lost that one and Russia might have been more willing to jump in and help which they didn't when it was Ukrainians shelling Ukrainians like in the donbass and lugansk regions.
The whole fucking country is behind Maidan, Behind Azov, behind bandera and we still pretend those are our people
If that were true then the Donbass and Lugansk regions would not have resisted.
I assume that the TV missile heading into the center entrance is the arms dump mentioned. Note the light behind the doors before the missile enters.
The lack of shadows suggests they were IIR sensors... thermal... which means any light source is actually a heat source.
What's my point? The average person has the critical thinking skills of an acorn squash.
It is even easier to convince people to hate to explain why they don't live so well compared with rich westerners on TV and movies... must be Russians or Jews or Iranians or Chinese holding them back economically...
When the rich and powerful control the media and film industry they are hardly going to try to go against a system that made them super rich are they?
If everyone knew it then why pussyfoot? Or did the government really believe there would be a change of heart ?
Maybe they thought it doesn't matter if Ukraine hates Russia... they only hurt themselves when they cut economic ties with Russia and curled up to the west... they were cementing their own economic collapse... still being held back by loans they could never afford to pay back without giving away land.
Ukraine was not Russias problem after 2014 when the Crimea joined to the Federation... they clearly didn't think the west was prepared to invest enough into that broken country to make them a risk or a threat.
Well they whipped up the nazi BS and build bio weapons labs and started talking about nuclear weapons which changed most things and when they found out they were going to attack the Donbass region... well attacking first just made sense... if there was no attack plan I suspect Russia would not have bothered invading at all.
Then we need a real change of government because idiots are in charge
Idiots would never have gotten Russia from where it was in the 1990s to where it is now... where it can openly and directly defy the west and not really care at all... there will be problems but they are in a position to sort those problems out... can the EU say the same regarding energy?
We have established it was common knowledge that Ukrainians were complicit in anti Russian changes of their country
No, you haven't... different people are different and what has happened in the last 8 years in the Ukraine has nothing at all to do with either democracy or will of the people... in fact I would say it was a very good example of the opposite... people in power and with control dictating to the people and removing opposition and replacing any alternatives with more of their goons.
When the goons are removed the remaining populations in most regions will likely be relieved as long as they don't do it by flattening the place the way the west did in Iraq or Libya or Syria.
As for Russian elites, i would say that incompetence and delusion played a great part in mishandling Ukraine crisis. Also, parts of elites didn't care or it is/was to invested with western world to care.
Another factor was that it was really none of Russias business until it escalated to the point where it became their business.
Russia is not the US or the west interfering in every election and every situation for fun and for giggles.
Okay , so you take missiles and you go after the main political actors, and hit US diplomats as well
You take out the US embassy like they did in Yugoslavia and you let the real decision making center know where we stand
Hitting the US embassy in Kiev will not get anyone worth a damn who had any say in what is happening right now, and will be seen as an act of war by most American politicians because they never hit embassies except by accident with old maps.
The risk is not worth the payoff... besides... take out the current leadership they might get replaced by someone who is competent.
Fighting these zombies is a waste of time and amounts to nothing
Killing these zombies eliminates these zombies... not killing them would lead to them killing you.
From what I hear, the residents of Kherson are actively helping the Russian "occupants" to counteract Kiev regime
diversionary groups. So even if many Russians left Ukria after 2014, there are still millions of them there. These
people deserve help from Russia.
Not everyone is able to leave. They had to suffer these last years under nazi rule... I am sure they will appreciate Russia coming to rescue them and then letting them decide their future... something Kiev certainly wasn't interested in.
Then again, Putin is a lawyer by training, and a very predictable one at that. His daughters spent much of their adult lives in Western Europe and he was very much invested in the immediate post-Soviet elite with all that entails.
Putin realised it would be pointless to try to fight the west, it dominates the world in economics and military and politically... but it is not even nearly as all powerful as it thinks... the west thinks it is the world community and it is not.
Putin knows this too now and is looking to the rest of the world for Russias future... pissy nasty western sanctions and over reactions will serve to further separate Russia from the west, which is going to damage the west rather more than it will damage Russia... but you can't tell them that...
So it's hard to believe that the Kremlin wasn't clued in on all this. Of course I'm sure they did know the reality of things. Maybe just delved into a little wishful thinking themselves as war was the only option left anyway it seems.
Maybe the Kremlin was interested in dealing with its own problems instead of solving Kievs problems too.
Now that Kiev is a problem for Russia it is being dealt with... so what is the problem... should they have realised what none of you guys noticed before as being a problem?
I don't completely agree with you. This post is about LDNR. Their 152mm weapon of choice is old D-20, which has relatively short range (sub 20 kilometres).
They are fighting an enemy with elements of modern weapons, but don't have even the basics that a Soviet force would have let alone a current Russian force... which has plenty of artillery support and air support.
I am sure an Afghan general would lament that they don't have flexible on call long and medium range artillery within the Afghan army structure and have to rely on support from other forces which are not always available.
To think Russia was never going to get hit or that air defense systems are 100% infallible or that every saboteur must be captured is pure naivety. On top of that, calling for responses that completely do not match proportionally the affect the strike itself caused only serves emotions and not rational and logical thinking needed to execute this war.
But demanding leadership be replaced because a shell slipped through or the enemy got a lucky break is just helping the enemy and supporting the nazis... this whole conflict has been about getting rid of Putin... the enormous irony is that if they succeeded they would have found that the next in line likes the west even less and would be more like the way they portray Putin in the west as being anti west when in actual fact he is pro west.... he is just not their bitch... he knows they didn't help Russia in the 1990s they just stole from Russia and would do so again given another chance... he should hate them for it but he is only learning now that they are scum.
They want defeatism in Russia and the perception that Ukraine is winning.
Or that they are not losing badly and can keep it up for years... which they can't and wont.
Let us not forget how majority of the rich in Russia got to be rich and who they were previously (yes, former KGB).
Under communism money meant nothing... political power was everything... when they became democracies power was the only thing you could use to get lots of money... power got you ownership of factories and companies for a few fractions of a cent on the dollar... and then you could asset strip and make your billions from there.
But they never outlined what to really do about the Ukrainian question
They can't because it really comes down to the people of the Ukraine... if they want to they can fight forever, but they wont want that... as shown by the current results and the ease with which each populated area that falls...
Russia will take the territory it thinks will be more or less friendly to getting rid of Kievs thugs and once they get people into power there and can hold elections and start some referendums for the people to decide what future they want... the referendums will be written by Russia and include all the options they find acceptable for the future.
Sechin and Chemezov are from KGB, run government owned companies and are rich. Not to mention that Putin was in KGB.
Power can be turned into more power or it can be turned in to money... George Bush snr was CIA too what is your point?
What i said was that wrong decisions can be made, even if you possess best possible intel, due to delusion or fact that you are quite comfortable with status quo.
Who has never made a wrong decision? Are they all idiots? Jesus was the son of god... surely he knew he was going to end up cruicified... does that make his decision wrong.... is he an idiot?
In my view, Russia has been constantly caught unprepared and made to make reactive moves ie. answer.
Is that because they are idiots or is it because they are victims of western and US aggression... they don't want to attack the west because that would be suicide so they are reduced to reacting to western attacks on them and trying to damage the west as much as they can with their responses to western aggression.
The alternative would be to actively attack the west all the time in unprovoked ways... why do you think that would be better?
I would say that someone "caught unprepared" is doing surprisingly well for the last 20+ years, I would say ...
Not only that but they have also rebuilt and rebranded themselves.... the Russian people were ashamed of their own military in the early 2000s... now look at them...
What was the purpose of stupid "no losses" report Russian MoD came up with? In this day and age.
If no personnel were lost then who gives a shit about some planes... and if most of them are Su-24s... good reason to buy more Su-34s.
Dunno. HIMARS again? Something supersonic and small enough to have escaped notice
In which case air defense looks to have failed.
Out of range.
Out before I lose my temper
They are only planes... get a grip.
Well it was popular yesterday, today many seems to be leaving occupied Crimea.
Occupied? Are you an Orc?
But there are barely 120 su30
Su-30s are upgraded Su-27UBs... so losing those and some Su-24s... assuming you don't also lose the pilots and crew is not a big deal.
I agree. Why cant the Russian MoD be honest, and open about the aircraft losses?
They likely reported what was known at the time... which turned out to be wrong... but lets call them liars...
BTW where are the WMDs in Iraq... maybe they were involved?
This is more than all fixed wing Russian aircraft shot down in the SMO combined. What the flying ****. From fucking saboteurs. This is a monumental fuckup of the airport security.
Mop and bucket in aisle three... Kiev supporter having a tantrum.
These are the same people who told their soldiers not to fight back and to allow themselves to be castrated in the name of ''brotherhood and unity''
Need any more explaining?
The reason that smells so bad is because you keep pulling it out of your arse.
Unless Russia starts using FOABS on major UkroNazi cities, such incidents will only embolden NATzO to ship more lethal weapons to Pukraine. Russia needs to show the Nazi world that they mean business.
So the solution is to kill civilians?
Are you a nazi?
How about having actual proper security, camouflage, and secure ammo storage for once. For 3 years ive been extremely worried how Russian aircraft are just placed in the open next to bombs. My fears were justified. This all could've been avoided with having fucking bunker shelters for aircraft.
If you look at those images each aircraft was in a rivetment... ie surrounded on three sides by earth walls to protect from ground level explosions and fragments....
A fire burning for half a day sending out explosions of munitions that land and then explode means walls and hangars would do very little in the way of protecting most things... a 500kg bomb that explodes because it is on fire makes the same sized crater as a 500kg bomb falling from the sky impacting with the ground.
Bet they wish now they used them while they had them
Notice the pro Kiev fanboys who celebrate your every post... you are doing Zelensky proud.
It's not the damage to the air base and planes that suffered the most, but credibility.
Yeah, because the west never forgives any lies it is told... all those western politicians who dragged them in to wars were all punished and sent to jail for their crimes... NOT.
Enough of lying, Russia shouldn't be like Ukraine, if stuff goes wrong, then they should admit it and that's it. Be a bigger man as they say.
They released information they had... if it was inaccurate... well cry me a river.
I can't stand Ukrainians bullshiting when there is no need to lie, I hope Russia won't become like this.
You are making huge assumptions there... I guess investigations are not needed any more because you either tell the truth or you lie... it is funny because so many of the little bitches crying at the moment are the first to cry when Russian officials say nothing, and now when they do say something you cry even more.
Pathetic children.
I am not advocating this, but winter is coming, and hitting the heating/utility and electrical grid during wintertime would cause an unspeakable humanitarian disaster that would crumble Ukraine more than FOABs hitting population centers. Not that Russia will do it, but they can reach any part of Ukraine and no region would be safe.
They should start making threats... FOABs are unnecessary and would be counter productive, but burning fields of crops and dropping bridges and hitting heating and power and other things they have left so far could be the sort of threats they can make if Kiev wants to escalate things...
It's completely irrelevant how did it happen: sabotage, missile attack or negligence. In any case, someone should be court martialed and stripped of rank.
Yeah.... **** an investigation... just pick some Generals and fire them... that will fix everything...
He said the govt is feeling more pressure from the people every day to fight harder with more men. Call up at least some of the 2 million reservists. His words. Start around 30 minutes in.
Not a good way to fight a war really... the general population don't have the knowledge or experience to run a war... why run a war by referendum?
Militarily the attack makes not really sense, but psychological can be devastating for Russian side.
Devastating for a few pussies... but once they get over their panic attacks it just makes them support the destruction of what was Ukraine even more... so I can see why the US is doing this but wonder why the Orcs are helping them destroy Orcland...
Now Russia is pussyfooting because they have no other option but USA and pals will become more aggressive from attack to attack...so expect something bigger in the next week's. Sooner or later Russia should say stop and shoot a drone out of the sky or blind a satellite permanent.
A few trolls claim Russia is pussyfooting but that does not make it true... every little so called Orc victory led directly to Orc HQs and other positions getting hammered for the next few days in a row... if anything we should cheer snake island fiascos and attacks on bridges and accidents on ships and airfields... because the result is more dead future haters of Russia... who can hate no more.
Well it was certainly a PR coup and a legit blow to Russia but let's not overstate shit here and lose our reason. This foremost is what any decent enemy would do if losing. They arent just going to quit. Also they are de facto controlled by the pentagon and western intel apparatus.
Is there any actual evidence of a real attack or was this an accident that started a fire that got out of control and blew some ordinance around the place...
However, these are definitely impacts. No heavy bombs make the deep holes but rather cause surface damage.
Bombs create craters when they explode... whether sitting on the surface or hitting the surface... if they were surface penetrating bombs they would be aimed at runways and not aircraft in rivetments.
See no to small craters. The houses were completely dismantled. Are these pilot accommodations? In any case, there are no bunkers with ammunition.
The apron was also hit directly. No house or fire nearby, which could explain the damage. There can also be little burning except for the aircraft.
You see what is in view, which is what western intelligence wants you to see... an ammo dump off view could easily have been the source for these heavy bombs as it burned and explosions distributed ordinance all over the place... and those craters could easily have been caused by Kh-29s where their propellent exploded and blew the warhead to that location where the impact with the ground set the warhead off... 320kgs of HE will make a crater like that.
Whatever this attack did,
No evidence of an attack yet.
PS: How can an MGM-140 ATACMS be used if it comes from above? Can Tor also capture this in this angle?
Unless it comes down directly on top of a TOR battery it should be able to shoot it down just fine.
The attack on crimean base is brazen. They didnt expect this and were not alert.
All sorts of assumptions there...
Best thing Russian MoD can do, for its reputation among Russians, is to come clean to what happened.
Obviously they knew exactly what happened without any investigation at all and they should tell us right away because they are fighting a war and they have a responsibility to tell everything to their enemies and friends.
A single attack (still looks like sabotage)
on an airbase in Crimea that was closer to Ukrian lines than 200 km for most the conflict and only got hit one time.
The videos I have seen show extensive fires with a few big explosions... that would be consistent with an ammo dump fire, which would explain the craters and the damage.
Gonna need a lot of evidence to prove sabotage.
I think people need to relax over Turkey. Russia is playing Turkey like a violin.
Turkey is signing deals and has not imposed sanctions on Russia and is not really taking sides in this current conflict and seems to be seeking Russian help in sorting out the situation in Syria.
Russia should have closed off Turkey from itself long ago but never did. Now they play footsies with them while Turkey fucked them over.
Turkey hasn't even imposed sanctions on Russia.... regarding Turkish drones in the land of the Orcs... they switched to Orc engines when the canadian companies that supplied them before pussied out, so of course they would be sending drones to Kiev... to get engines...
If they didn't use Turkish drones they would have demanded US drones that might have been more dangerous... but more likely would have been shot down just as easily... which might have led to improvements to them to make them more dangerous...
With that logic anything short of nuclear attack on Moscow is nothing.
If it doesn't kill anyone and just smashes up some old cars or buses then who gives a ****?
Point is that it was someone's **** up, as it was case with Moskva, and that someone has to pay for it. Especially don't muddle the water with some stupid statements. It is easy to lose credibility.
You and your fellow hand wringers are the ones losing credibility... you are at war... did you think it would be painless... you are claiming this or that failed without knowing any real facts except what we have been shown from western satellites.... go ahead and trust them... Zelensky is pleased.
I see your brash talk as some kind of coping, which is understandable, since you are Russian and personally invested.
War is a game played with a smile on your face... if you can't smile then grin... if you can't grin then don't play.
In the past, you could hear Putin mutiple times say that he sees Russians, Ukrainians and Belarus as one people.
After the nazis and cowards have been stripped away that might be how what is left see things too.
Airport got blown to shit by apes, everyone and their grandma saw it so just come clean, say that you fucked up and that airport got blown to shit by apes
It's not complicated
If Russia allowed this airport to be blown up by apes it means that Russia didn't deserve to have this airport in the first place
Another little girl with sand in her vagina... there is no evidence at all that the orcs had anything to do with this... regular satellite photos of such a region would be perfectly normal considering the situation and don't indicate any attack.
Yo, that thing looks like a King Tiger.
But with armour like a Panzer III...
If war is war, why haven't the Russian special forces destroyed himars trucks or Ukrainian airfields with special forces?
You don't think the Orcs have their own special forces trying to protect them... and moving around in enemy held territory is really easy... I do it all the time in computer games... but in the real world you are limited as to how far and how fast you can move around and most of their time will be spent looking at enemy positions for weak points and strong points... gun positions etc, and also ammo and fuel storage areas for targeting...
How tf are their Ukrainian special forces operating with drones 300 km away from the frontline? Why are you saying this is no big deal.
Obviously when you fucking make them up they can be operating anywhere they like.
Also when was the last time the US or any NATO country lost a dozen plus fixed wing fighter aircraft to enemy special forces?
They just lost thousands of aircraft and vehicles and munitions in Afghanistan a few months ago...
What happened now to Russia is like Israel having its airfield bombed by Hezbollah quadcopters, or a US or saudi airfield having 12 F-15s destroyed on the ground.
If you are making shit up then why not millenium falcons and x wings...
Not even the saudis let the houthis destroy a dozen of their aircraft on the ground. Let that sink in.
If the Houthies had magic forces that could start fires without even being present I am sure they would...
PS - Now if a tiny Zuni rocket can do cause so much shit just imagine what a Tsirkon can do !
They recently moved Tu-22M3s there didn't they (ie not last few weeks but last few years)... which means propellent tanks with red fuming nitric acid tank storage... great stuff...
"A significant proportion of the total F-22 Raptor airframes available to the United States Air Force were damaged at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida during Hurricane Michael. According to the U.S. Air Force, as many as 17 F-22 Raptors may have been significantly damaged or destroyed in the hurricane."
Pfffft...hurricane my ass. GRU Hurrah!
Yes, In read on Twitter that several Chinese were seen leaving the area after the hurricane that China organised to cover their attack... not only did they destroy F-22s... they also stole the plans for the F-35... and not the shit plans for the piece of crap they are making.... they stole the good plans for the F-35M with all its problems fixed that only cost 20 million per aircraft to buy complete with engine and it costs 50c a flight hour to operate...
Hey... making shit up is fun... I see why you enjoy it Limb.... but why inflict it on us?
So you have no source and are pulling out of your
By all means show your evidence for an attack in this case... surely a planned attack like this would come with rather more fanfare... instead the west scrambled to point out that western weapons were not used in this situation... makes it very obvious who the real pussies are.
NATO/West seems to be be adamant that the strike on the Russian air base in Crimea was carried out by the "state of the art" Ukranian missile Grim-2/Hrim-2.
When I first saw that missile... right warhead weight but lacks range to be Iskander... this is at best an upgraded Tochka... and would very much appear on radar.
I don't "flip" sides... lmao.
It is only the side that prints money as much as it does that can afford to pay people to sell its kool aide.
It is especially effective because if you blame Russia or Russians or pro Russians for doing what the US does then it is bound to be offensive or evil...
With hangars they would have had 0 losses. Those dumbass parked them so close that 1 hit takes out 3 aircraft at once.
You can clearly see the rivetments, these aircraft are not sitting out in the open like they would be on the aircraft apron.
The two destroyed buildings looks more like storage and repair facilities. Barracks are normally not too close to the aircraft due to aircraft noise.
Looks very much like sabotage and not some super wunderwaffe missile strike.
If it was sabotage they would not use ordinance that creates such enormous craters... they would place timed charges on each aircraft near a fuel tank so the plane burns out... this looks more like a random distribution of large bombs... presumably from an ammo dump fire explosion distributing live rounds around the place which then explode.
So I wonder why Russia keeps tolerating these US controlled attacks?
Unless it was an accident like the Moskva...
We can not assume S400 was even turned on . It may be saving itself for mass attacks !
They have an IADS, SAMs defending airbases are on all the time... and a variety of other radar are operating 24/7 too... but only search radar and not tracking radar, but search radar would be enough to detect a missile and then everything else would be turned on.
But lets play devils advocate and say it was a ballistic missile... there are at least four large craters there meaning four missiles and on the video the fire was burning quite a while before we see two separate explosions... the S-400 in a convoy can stop and prepare to engage targets in 5 minutes... a S-400 battery in position even less time but no missiles launched... you would see their smoke trails...
Which suggests this was not a ballistic missile attack.
Reaction in Kiev and the combined west: We had nothing to do with it. (Because they thought no points could be scored here.)
And also because they know they had nothing to do with it and did not want to get hammered by Russia for attacking Russian territory.
Latvia brands Russia ‘state sponsor of terrorism’
And in response Russia brands Latvia.... irrelevant.
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