Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

flamming_python wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

That's a presumptuous set of assumptions

Of course they were alert. Shit happens sometimes, that's all. We don't know what it was yet, sabotage, missile strikes, whether the satellite pics are real or not

But this level of damage is not that significant. If only 1 serviceman was killed - who cares about the equipment? Or is Russia running out of raw materials or something? Like Germany in WW2 getting low on the tungsten? Like Japan now out of rubber?
A strike on the Khabarovsk aviation plant would be rather more serious.

The biggest blow is just defeatism and the attempt at a psychological blow, trying to force Russia's hand into this or the other. It's all nonsense. Hundreds of Ukrainian militants destroyed every 24h along with plenty of artillery, ammo and whatever else. There is a meat-grinder going on yet somehow the Ukraine does not slide into defeatism as readily as the panic-mongers at the ready on the Russian side. Can it already.

With that logic anything short of nuclear attack on Moscow is nothing. Point is that it was someone's **** up, as it was case with Moskva, and that someone has to pay for it. Especially don't muddle the water with some stupid statements. It is easy to lose credibility. No one normal here impkied that they will lose a war because of it.
I see your brash talk as some kind of coping, which is understandable, since you are Russian and personally invested.

It's war is what it is. And not just with the Ukraine, but with the entire NATO next door and backing it in every way short of directly entering the conflict

You're going to have to get used to the fact that they will get lucky, they will conduct some successful strikes, they will find weak points or expose flaws in strategies and all the rest of it.

My brash talk is to counter Kiev's and NATO's desired effect which is doom and gloom.
And they really switched on the hype train for this operation.
But if using your head for a second.. doom and gloom over what exactly? What, some destroyed Su-30SMs on the ground? Like I said, even the Taliban managed things like that.

If this is all they can come up with a consolation prize in place of the much-hyped Kherson offensive then I suspect Russia has been doing good work as of late. One dead serviceman, a few injured and up to a dozen destroyed or damaged planes. RIP and speedy recovery to the injured, what more is there to say.

If war is war, why haven't the Russian special forces destroyed himars trucks or Ukrainian airfields with special forces? How tf are their Ukrainian special forces operating with drones 300 km away from the frontline? Why are you saying this is no big deal.

Also when was the last time the US or any NATO country lost a dozen plus fixed wing fighter aircraft to enemy special forces? What happened now to Russia is like Israel having its airfield bombed by Hezbollah quadcopters, or a US or saudi airfield having 12 F-15s destroyed on the ground.

Not even the saudis let the houthis destroy a dozen of their aircraft on the ground. Let that sink in.

And even in times of "peace" the shit can hit the fan >>>



PS - Now if a tiny Zuni rocket can do cause so much shit just imagine what a Tsirkon can do !

Pray tell, did Hezbollah or the Yemeni Houthis enjoy the backup of most of the western world? Full NATO support, many billions in arms aid, full AWACS, SIGINT and satellite support from the U.S. etc?

The playing field is a bit different here.

Mir wrote:And even in times of "peace" the shit can hit the fan >>>



PS - Now if a tiny Zuni rocket can do cause so much shit just imagine what a Tsirkon can do !

Not even the saudis lost 12 F-15s to houthi saboteurs. Let that sink in.

limb wrote:

If war is war, why haven't the Russian special forces destroyed himars trucks or Ukrainian airfields with special forces? How tf are their Ukrainian special forces operating with drones 300 km away from the frontline? Why are you saying this is no big deal.

Also when was the last time the US or any NATO country lost a dozen plus fixed wing fighter aircraft to enemy special forces? What happened now to Russia is like Israel having its airfield bombed by Hezbollah quadcopters, or a US or saudi airfield having 12 F-15s destroyed on the ground.

Not even the saudis let the houthis destroy a dozen of their aircraft on the ground. Let that sink in.

"A significant proportion of the total F-22 Raptor airframes available to the United States Air Force were damaged at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida during Hurricane Michael. According to the U.S. Air Force, as many as 17 F-22 Raptors may have been significantly damaged or destroyed in the hurricane."

Pfffft...hurricane my ass. GRU Hurrah!

@Limb

Ooops...The Raptor is no longer in production. Let that sink in.

Mir wrote:
"A significant proportion of the total F-22 Raptor airframes available to the United States Air Force were damaged at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida during Hurricane Michael. According to the U.S. Air Force, as many as 17 F-22 Raptors may have been significantly damaged or destroyed in the hurricane."

Pfffft...hurricane my ass. GRU Hurrah!  

I get why you did not give the source for that, but hey....

In other news:

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1557621932429819907

Mir wrote:@Limb

Ooops...The Raptor is no longer in production. Let that sink in.

We're comparing Russia and Saudi Arabia here.

The Saudi's or whomever are just a side show. USA vs Russia is what it's all about. Let that sink in.

Dforce wrote:
I get why you did not give the source for that, but hey....

I can give you my source, but then I'll have to kill you

The dimwitts trying to damage control the impossible. Just cause there are folks in Russia that get paid to do so, and very well I might add, to cover for the failings of incompetent bureaucrats doesn't mean you, an unpaid serf, have to do it also. I always wonder what the rational for such retarded behavior is... the trigger inside the subconscious? Fear for some? Cover for the "team"? lol if any of you think you're part of the Russian elites "team"... or the usual Cognitive dissonance kicking in trying to fight away the uncomfortable truth?

Kinda sad either way.

Should have taken out the top regime dogs within the first week of the war, at most a month after a hunt. Take no chances, go straight for the kill. Try to get cute with it? As the saying goes... Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

The strategy of an internal coup or a surrender "forced and inevitable" deal continues to be aloof. The "smart guys" can only hope their grand masterplan pans out in the end.... an ever elusive end, cause the cat is out the bag now... everyone knows the play.

Mir wrote:Shit happens - esp in wartime >>

Vietnam - Bien Hao Air Base >>

The US admitted the loss of 30 aircraft - the NVA claimed 59.




PS - The US lost over 10 000 aircraft during the Vietnam War which lasted for 10 years.
The NVA lost 350 aircraft during the war.

Depth of historical knowledge is not usually part of typical discussion nowadays XD.

In respect of Russian SEAD effort... people forget on how NATO perform in 1999 against Serbian PVO's how many SA-6/KUb killed despite total advantage in air. Nato fans seems to completely forgotten that, and the fact that no NATO airforce have ever really face a real SAM's with scout an shoot capability + Phased array radar.

and finding mobile launchers is hard.. yet people forget the great scud hunt back in gulf war..how many Iraqi launchers they managed to find.. and Scud was an old system with long preparation time etc. Tochka and Himars is naturally be even harder to find.

Mir wrote:

Dforce wrote:
I get why you did not give the source for that, but hey....

I can give you my source, but then I'll have to kill you

So you have no source and are pulling out of your

NATO/West seems to be be adamant that the strike on the Russian air base in Crimea was carried out by the "state of the art" Ukranian missile Grim-2/Hrim-2.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/does-ukraine-have-a-stash-of-domestically-developed-ballistic-missiles

ATLASCUB wrote:The dimwitts trying to damage control the impossible. Just cause there are folks in Russia that get paid to do so, and very well I might add, to cover for the failings of incompetent bureaucrats doesn't mean you, an unpaid serf, have to do it also. I always wonder what the rational for such retarded behavior is... the trigger inside the subconscious? Fear for some? Cover for the "team"? lol if any of you think you're part of the Russian elites "team"... or the usual Cognitive dissonance kicking in trying to fight away the uncomfortable truth?

Kinda sad either way.

Should have taken out the top regime dogs within the first week of the war, at most a month after a hunt. Take no chances, go straight for the kill. Try to get cute with it? As the saying goes... Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

The strategy of an internal coup or a surrender "forced and inevitable" deal continues to be aloof. The "smart guys" can only hope their grand masterplan pans out in the end.... an ever elusive end, cause the cat is out the bag now... everyone knows the play.

So why you flip sides then? Life is all about choices you know...but I guess you are still a bit young.

I don't "flip" sides... lmao.

limb wrote:

Mir wrote:

Dforce wrote:
I get why you did not give the source for that, but hey....

I can give you my source, but then I'll have to kill you

So you have no source and are pulling out of your

Yes it is better for your health that you think that way
Keep on believing.

With hangars they would have had 0 losses. Those dumbass parked them so close that 1 hit takes out 3 aircraft at once.

Their stipid errors and underestimation of ukrop powers made them loose one Slava and now 7 valuable fighters. Reports say recco versions of su-24 and su-30 were destroyed.

Hardened hangers would have been nice, but the revetments do give fairly good protection from ground explosions.
The two destroyed buildings looks more like storage and repair facilities. Barracks are normally not too close to the aircraft due to aircraft noise.

Looks very much like sabotage and not some super wunderwaffe missile strike. Just a hunch but I do live in a country that once suffered from insurgency;  I would guess that the explosive devises were smuggled into the base when some parts or ordinance were recently delivered. A favourite weapon during the Struggle Years were limped mines that could stick to a metallic object and be set to detonate at a certain time. Not supposed to happen on a military base not impossible to slip by security.

Sujoy wrote:NATO/West seems to be be adamant that the strike on the Russian air base in Crimea was carried out by the "state of the art" Ukranian missile Grim-2/Hrim-2.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/does-ukraine-have-a-stash-of-domestically-developed-ballistic-missiles

BS, Russia forces have been intercepting, tochka, glmrs, small uavs, amongst others so how tf can they miss a high ballistic profile strike over the range of 200km, the profile of the missile would be high, so why would the s300, s400 nebo, and other ad radars not pick it up. Keep dreaming.

Isos wrote:With hangars they would have had 0 losses. Those dumbass parked them so close that 1 hit takes out 3 aircraft at once.

Their stipid errors and underestimation of ukrop powers made them loose one Slava and now 7 valuable fighters. Reports say recco versions of su-24 and su-30 were destroyed.

After this airbase fuckup, now I am sure its only a matter of time before the Nazi forces (with full support of NATO off course) take out the Kerch strait bridge.

And MOD at that time would be "there are no vehicles destroyed so all is good"

owais.usmani wrote:

Isos wrote:With hangars they would have had 0 losses. Those dumbass parked them so close that 1 hit takes out 3 aircraft at once.

Their stipid errors and underestimation of ukrop powers made them loose one Slava and now 7 valuable fighters. Reports say recco versions of su-24 and su-30 were destroyed.

After this airbase fuckup, now I am sure its only a matter of time before the Nazi forces (with full support of NATO off course) take out the Kerch strait bridge.

And MOD at that time would be "there are no vehicles destroyed so all is good"

That two building most likelly ordenance storage.


It is most likelly handling mishap, after the initial explosion most likelly lot of bomb was throw around , hence the craters.


The explosion ignitied the other storage as well, as it looks like.

Russia could easily pick an enemy of Uncle Sham and support them to do a tit for tat action.
With all those 780 foreign US bases, many of which are extremely unwelcome, it would be an easy thing for Russia to do. Impossible for America to stop.
And a powerful way of concentrating American minds that their evil will have consequences.

Putin mentioned "striking the decision making centres". That struck me as a quite thinly coded warning to America. But it also struck me as something far "further done the line".

Plausible deniability eg an "Islamist" attack on a Nimitz class would seem to be the easier threat.

So I wonder why Russia keeps tolerating these US controlled attacks?

When hypersonic missile enters atmosphere from high trajectory in space , it is traveling at 1500 m/s and takes five seconds to reach target on the ground . The shockwaves travelling at 300 m/s , takes twenty five seconds to reach target on ground . So at ground zero , we hear explosion of warhead first and twenty five seconds later is the crack of sonic boom . Further out , this effect is reduced , at around seven kilometres from ground zero , the two sounds merge . The effect of having several explosions , some simultaneous some not , exacerbated this problem . Here in video , you can see no sound warning from explosion or sonic boom . As a matter of precautions , it is a good idea to disperse the aircraft to Roads and move them occasionally . The problem with the Americans , is that they think they are fighting Iraq and doing shock and awe ! The problem with Russians is that they think they are still fighting in Syria , defensive war . This is neither .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic0amjv34ds

We can not assume S400 was even turned on . It may be saving itself for mass attacks !