Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

Arkanghelsk wrote:Its not even about progress, there's just no answer to this situation, and none in the leadership know what to do about it

They responded well to sanctions, and were able to counter the economic war

But they never outlined what to really do about the Ukrainian question

Israel showed what to do -

They handled Palestine , and none can say anything about it

But it requires WILL , from every part of the leadership, unity, and decisive action

You go in , you tell the ukros how it's gonna be, and if they make noise, you wack them, their kids, and everyone , and rinse repeat for 50 years as you eat their territory

If you think nazis are tough, look at Hamas and the other groups there

Israel could give a shit , and here we are negotiating with scum

Israel gave new meaning to the word "Terrorist" and per definition so did the US of A.

Mir wrote:

Israel gave new meaning to the word "Terrorist" and per definition so did the US of A.

Not to mention, that calling that "handling" is a big misinterpretation ...

sepheronx wrote:
OK, so what exactly then that disproves my point?  You just proved my point how two specific guys are former KGB and rich.  Putin was one of the few that got from KGB that was actually good and doesn't mean he is 100% honest either which he is not.  But I doubt about his wealth.

As well, there is a difference between an open conflict vs making oneself rich.  Apples to orange comparison but you Americans are very good at that it seems.  Its a common knowledge here in Canada that Americans like to make false comparisons.

To elaborate - I highly doubt the FSB are intentionally assisting Ukraine by allowing them to strike at their own country or allowing SBU agents to do shit or whatever.  VS making themselves rich.

But you guys are the experts so whatever.  I know Russian leadership and intelligence agents listen to you guys on a daily basis.

For the umpteenth time, not everyone that lives in US is American.
I didn't see anyone claiming that FSB is intentionally assisting Ukraine, i certainly didnt.
What i said was that wrong decisions can be made, even if you possess best possible intel, due to delusion or fact that you are quite comfortable with status quo.

Give me a break bud, I know the sacrasm

sepheronx wrote:

OK, so what exactly then that disproves my point?  You just proved my point how two specific guys are former KGB and rich.  Putin was one of the few that got from KGB that was actually good and doesn't mean he is 100% honest either which he is not.  But I doubt about his wealth.

As well, there is a difference between an open conflict vs making oneself rich.  Apples to orange comparison but you Americans are very good at that it seems.  Its a common knowledge here in Canada that Americans like to make false comparisons.

To elaborate - I highly doubt the FSB are intentionally assisting Ukraine by allowing them to strike at their own country or allowing SBU agents to do shit or whatever.  VS making themselves rich.

But you guys are the experts so whatever.  I know Russian leadership and intelligence agents listen to you guys on a daily basis.

This is an all-around delusion made by the people who consider million as over the top.
What does it mean that one is an ex-KGB?
Objectively?
One is very well educated and has impressive connections country/worldwide.
Special service universities are among the best, but silently.
They get waste financing and access to the most sophisticated data available.
How do you make business?
A concept, financing, and an environment to sell it.
Any ex-KGB was privileged, having the knowledge, financing (at least for a while) and contacts.
What is a point of being surprised that it worked?
It worked in each and any ex-comm country and is working in the US either.
Check the "revolving doors" meaning in American English.

sepheronx wrote:
No, that isn't what you said nor what Papa was saying.  Mental gymnastics is astounding here.

Like I said, you guys are the "experts" so you know best.  I know for a fact Russian government should be listening to you guys for advise [/sarcasm]

This is a forum and we are exchanging opinions. Not that we expect anyone will care about it.
In my view, Russia has been constantly caught unprepared and made to make reactive moves ie. answer. Be it economy, geopolitics or something else.
That's why i am sceptical about results of SMO. I hope that if Ukrainians see that they are done and offer peace, Russia will not stop at territories it controls now. That's all.
And as a separate notion, if it is not already obvious, i don't have much respect for Russia's government apparatus. Many of these people are very happy with status quo and that their pockets are full, own house in Italy or France, etc.
I'm kind of glad that West took those away.

The sniping over the rate of progress takes the cake for inanity. By what metric is Russian progress slow? As anyone with a
clue will know that the Donbass is basically urban warfare with an bunker entrenched "defender". I don't recall any of the US
urban warfare operations lasting at most a few days. In the case of Iraq, the US spent several months of basically carpet bombing
before moving in. As usual the standards are different and the goal posts are endlessly moving.

The most important thing is that Russia could give a flying f*ck about internet morons and their opinions. The NATzO economic
assault has been a total failure with a massive blowback that has sent it into a recession that is going to become a depression.
No amount of Orwellian word play of what is inflation and recession will save NATzO.

The current rate of progress in Donetsk is fine. By the September the Kiev regime lines will have crumbled. Then you will
see some rapid Russian advances over sparsely populated and non-fortified farm land. I am sure by then the goal posts will
have moved again. FOAD.

caveat emptor wrote:
This is a forum and we are exchanging opinions. Not that we expect anyone will care about it.
In my view, Russia has been constantly caught unprepared and made to make reactive moves ie. answer. Be it economy, geopolitics or something else.
That's why i am sceptical about results of SMO. I hope that if Ukrainians see that they are done and offer peace, Russia will not stop at territories it controls now. That's all.
And as a separate notion, if it is not already obvious, i don't have much respect for Russia's government apparatus. Many of these people are very happy with status quo and that their pockets are full, own house in Italy or France, etc.
I'm kind of glad that West took those away.

I would say that someone "caught unprepared" is doing surprisingly well for the last 20+ years, I would say ...

caveat emptor wrote:

The point, it seems to me, is in the structure of the army organization and in the structure of army thinking.  The NATO approach, which is now actively used in Ukraine, implies the possibility for any sergeant, as part of the implementation of the plan, to request exactly the resource that can help solve the problem.  But our system does not imply this: you need to go through the entire chain of approvals before the senior boss decides to allocate you the necessary funds, which, as you yourself understand, is problematic.

The means work according to the planned goals, but the plans of the senior commander may not coincide with the plans on the sector of the front, where there is a need for a heavier resource, and then you have to wait, and at this time the enemy is working and inflicting damage on us.  Then our offensives are thwarted, then our defenses break through.

The required level to request support is depends on the ammount of available resources.

The USA allways had ample technical resources compared to the enemy in the past 100 years, means the command structure adjusted to it.

Maybe being unprepared is a key they should share with others

Singular_Transform wrote:

The required level to request support is depends on the ammount of available resources.

The USA allways had ample technical resources compared to the enemy in the past 100 years, means the command structure adjusted to it.

NATO and/or the US NEVER attacked an opponent so close to the technical level, human factor, and overall capabilities.
We still compare apples to oranges, and it would be nice is some of us would finally realize that.
Russkie are beating the shit out of the objectively the biggest&strongest army in Europe.
US can't answer the ballistic missiles barrage from Iran
Oh boy oh boy, how do we cover that with "supermobile and supersniper"

So how many aircraft were destroyed at saki? What is the verdict on the satellite photos of burnt out aircraft

limb wrote:So how many aircraft were destroyed at saki? What is the verdict on the satellite photos of burnt out aircraft

Not sure, but smoking is bad for you:

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You can even see the impact areas for the cigarette butts, and the s-400 did not have time to take them down it seems:

Mariupol again. Repairing the city theatre, everyday life on the streets etc:

calripson wrote:People anchor their expectations on their past experience. Stalin's legacy left people fearing the USSR and what the Red Army had accomplished for 30 years. Gorbachev, Yelstin and company (the immediate post-War generation) sold an Empire built with blood over 300 years for blue jeans, McDonalds, and crappy Western soap operas. Hard to respect or fear that. Putin had built up some credibility, but his endless redlines being crossed and the fact that 5 months into this conflict not even all of Donbass has been liberated hasn't done much to install respect or fear in anyone's hearts - hence the Kazaks selling weapons to Ukraine on the sly. Then again, Putin is a lawyer by training, and a very predictable one at that. His daughters spent much of their adult lives in Western Europe and he was very much invested in the immediate post-Soviet elite with all that entails.

Yea this is already almost off-topic but can't resist to comment briefly.

Much of the status of Russia even today can be regarded as achievements of Stalin (and of course the Russian and Soviet people of the era).
Like for example the seat in UN security council and nuclear weapons.

Putin has done massive job if we consider what he started with.
Although it can be argued that Stalin did not have even that when he came to power.

We can make some comparisons. We remember how Stalin sent forces (well at least weapons and advisers) even to Spain. Maybe biggest opportunity in modern era to break a US client state occured during Putin's rule when Catalonia tried to gain independence few years back. I have a strong feeling that Stalin would have used that opportunity.

Putin invested lot in creating a network of friendly governments within the west. We still have likes of Schroeder of Germany who are very friendly towards Russia. So it worked. It was a good strategy - no one can take that away from Putin. But I guess USA sensed this and started their massive anti-Russia campaign which has seen even comical figures placed as heads of states in EU - as long as they are very deep in US pocket and foam at mouth when speaking about Russia.

Dforce wrote:

limb wrote:

You can even see the impact areas for the cigarette butts, and the s-400 did not have time to take them down it seems:

Am I reading that last photo right, three hits in the bunded aircraft park? Are there more given the smoke etc?

EDIT

Answer my own question

Oliver Alexander
@OAlexanderDK
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Finally we have imagery of Saki Airbase. Serious losses for Russian aviation. At least 3 Su-30s and 6 Su-24s have been destroyed. Imagery isn't good enough to confirm, but possibly 2 additional Su-24s and 3 additional  Su-30s destroyed.

Between 9-14 aircraft destroyed.

EDIT 2

Hate the poster but there is a lot of data in this thread . Someone there suggested a Grom strike.


https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1557441267109400576

Dforce wrote:

limb wrote:So how many aircraft were destroyed at saki? What is the verdict on the satellite photos of burnt out aircraft

Not sure, but smoking is bad for you:

¨

You can even see the impact areas for the cigarette butts, and the s-400 did not have time to take them down it seems:

After those satellite pics of the 'Bucha massacre' I don't take these sorts of images as gospel. But sure I can accept the claim.

Don't see what you're so smug about though. It's not going to win Kiev the war, where for every one such strike such as this or on the Kherson aerodrome, the Ukrainians receive 50 back.

Nor is the equipment anything worth crying over either.
Plenty of oil money coming in. Main thing is that casualties are minimized.

What was the purpose of stupid "no losses" report Russian MoD came up with? In this day and age.

flamming_python wrote:

Dforce wrote:

limb wrote:So how many aircraft were destroyed at saki? What is the verdict on the satellite photos of burnt out aircraft

Not sure, but smoking is bad for you:

¨

You can even see the impact areas for the cigarette butts, and the s-400 did not have time to take them down it seems:

Could be faked, but sure I'm willing to entertain it

Don't see what you're so smug about though. It's not going to win Kiev the war, where for every one such strike such as this or on the Kherson aerodrome, the Ukrainians receive 50 back.

Sure, 50 back. At least!

So what hit the airfield, you think? What about air defence?

flamming_python wrote:

Could be faked, but sure I'm willing to entertain it

Don't see what you're so smug about though. It's not going to win Kiev the war, where for every one such strike such as this or on the Kherson aerodrome, the Ukrainians receive 50 back.

Russian MoD should come up with official statement after investigation is conducted. Yesterdays statement was idiotic. I still don't believe it was a missile attack as too many people live around the base, especially when you add tourists. Someone would record missiles.

Dforce wrote:


Sure, 50 back. At least!

So what hit the airfield, you think? What about air defence?

Reportedly no radar or visual on any attack by air so... sabotage or accident. From videos there definitely was smoke from a fire before the explosions.