Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

Podlodka77 wrote:

Шта лупаш ти, мајмуне један !?

Сине, ајде ти лепо назад у рупу у којој си се крио досад, па тамо смрди.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Арха́нгельск it shows a present rot in Russian bureaucracy and government structures. For them, optics are very important.
Keeping illusions alive ( brotherly nation and other such crap);
Keep calling this SMO and not a war ( everything is hunky dory, tank biathlons, military parades etc) while your own people are getting blown up in terror attacks in Moscow;
Keep calling on "international structures" ( IAEA, OPCW etc) while getting shafted in the ass.

The West must be shaking its head while watching how the Kremlin manages this "special military operation". They must be asking: how did it take us almost 50 years to beat these idiots in Cold War?

What's so bad about the way it's being managed exactly? They're letting the enemy come to them to within artillery range and then blowing them up.

That Russia will win a war and win the peace right after instead of having a 10-20 year insurgency to contend with afterwards that will eventually kick it out?

As for the international structures, well I would agree on the one hand that there is no reason to give them any extra legitimacy. Better to create new structures. But for now its not an option, and not submitting the chemical analysis results anywhere achieves nothing. By submitting them to the OPCW, that at least creates headlines and requires a formal, public response from the OPCW. Same goes with the Zaporozhia NPP. It creates noise and draws attention to the issue, and anyone can figure out its the Ukrs firing on the power plant in fact. All this extra attention may well discourage the Ukrs from pursuing these disastrous plans. In fact we haven't heard about any more shelling for some days now.

That Russian civilians are being killed in terrorist attacks is a judgement first of all on the Ukro regime's desperation. And it is in fact an indictment of it. The Chechen rebels started to lose international sympathy when they started resorting to war crimes and terrorist attacks; around about the same time that the Islamist movement came to the forefront there.
Terrorist attacks are also something that are hard to prevent. There are millions of former and current Ukrainian citizens in Russia. Any one of them can be indoctrinated or incited by Ukrainian special services, there could be any number of sleeper cells and all the rest of it. Even would-be assassins just slipping by into Russia via the Kherson-Crimea crossing or through Kharkov which are borders open to anyone or at least any locals.
It's going to take some time to deal with this issue but this tactic of Kiev is just another self-defeating one, much as shelling the NPP was.

flamming_python wrote:
What's so bad about the way it's being managed exactly? They're letting the enemy come to them to within artillery range and then blowing them up.

That Russia will win a war and win the peace right after instead of having a 10-20 year insurgency to contend with afterwards that will eventually kick it out?

As for the international structures, well I would agree on the one hand that there is no reason to give them any extra legitimacy. Better to create new structures. But for now its not an option, and not submitting the chemical analysis results anywhere achieves nothing. By submitting them to the OPCW, that at least creates headlines and requires a formal, public response from the OPCW. Same goes with the Zaporozhia NPP. It creates noise and draws attention to the issue, and anyone can figure out its the Ukrs firing on the power plant in fact. All this extra attention may well discourage the Ukrs from pursuing these disastrous plans. In fact we haven't heard about any more shelling for some days now.

That Russian civilians are being killed in terrorist attacks is a judgement first of all on the Ukro regime's desperation. And it is in fact an indictment of it. The Chechen rebels started to lose international sympathy when they started resorting to war crimes and terrorist attacks; around about the same time that the Islamist movement came to the forefront there.
Terrorist attacks are also something that are hard to prevent. There are millions of former and current Ukrainian citizens in Russia. Any one of them can be indoctrinated or incited by Ukrainian special services, there could be any number of sleeper cells and all the rest of it. Even would-be assassins just slipping by into Russia via the Kherson-Crimea crossing or through Kharkov which are borders open to anyone or at least any locals.

Mishandling of the situation i mostly prescribe to Russian governmental structures and "decision making centers" , if you wish. For the most part, military is doing their job best it can under circumstances.
Real truth will, probably, surface after the war. As of now, i can tell that there are some rifts in governmental structures that are mostly beeing kept under the surface. Otherwise, i can't explain some of the decisions that were made.

https://t.me/intelslava/35817
Ukraine is clearly preparing some kind of large-scale anti-Russian provocation: employees of institutions located in the government quarter of Kiev (President’s Office, Verkhovna Rada, Cabinet of Ministers, National Bank) are recommended to work remotely from home from August 22 to 26.

Kiev media say the authorities are preparing for Russian strikes on Independence Day.

At the same time, Ukraine introduced new alarms for chemical, radiation hazards and evacuation from the city.

Destroyed Ukrainian Mi-8. Pilots reportedly survived
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/20209?single

Here is a good report from RT Germany that reveals the ongoing Anglo-German propaganda: https://de.rt.com/meinung/146270-ard-magazin-kontraste-ueber-russland/

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:....

Guess who's back

Shady's back

This is so cute especially after this:

https://www.russiadefence.net/t8802-i-do-not-want-to-be-a-member-of-this-forum

Podlodka77 wrote:I request that my profile be deleted, I no longer wish to be a member of this forum !

No integrity, I tell ya'

А ко ти каже да сам се вратио ?

Integrity ? I would not return to this forum if the site administrator blocked me. You did it, didn't you ?
I don't blame you for doing it, because you've been here a lot longer, but I wouldn't go back here.
I left because I don't like communists and infidels, and because this is a waste of time. Any talk about the glorification of the USSR drives me crazy, more than this conflict in Ukroshitstan.
What should I read messages from these crying Russians (some of them) on this forum ? They are neither at the front, nor are they listening to the sound of shells, and they are crying as if the Ukrainians have come to their doorstep.
In every Russian city, life goes on as normal, as well as construction, while they cry as if everything is falling apart. The Russians will play (war) moderately as long as their assessment is that it should be, it is obvious that they have patience, because when that patience runs out, then there will be no more pardons.
The Russians will wage war the way they wage war as long as their assessment is that it should be so and who am I or you (or any other member of forum) to judge that.
The majority here still fall for western propaganda, but that cannot last forever. The whole West is against Russia, but it's not worth it, the dogs are barking and Russia is moving on..

Podlodka77 wrote:
I left because I don't like communists and infidels, and because this is a waste of time. Any talk about the glorification of the USSR drives me crazy, more than this conflict in Ukroshitstan.

Podmornica77, what are you? Some sort of orthodox ISIS or something?
Be able to accept that there are people that hold different views or opinions from yours.

@GarryB Personally, i don't care if someone offends me. If you think that's not cool feel free to act upon it.
But i really hate promotion and glorifying of terrorist acts against civilians, like Dforce did. For that type of behavior, permanent ban is only solution.

Has Russia upgraded the KH-22 guidance system to hit land targets? Perhaps using the KH-32 guidance. The KH-22 AFIK did not have great accuracy when hitting land targets and relied on radar to hit ships.

Why does ataman Putin continue the velvet glove treatment of Ukrainians?

Russia is going to win a very stupid prize for this very stupid game being played

I hear that they closed the bridge to non residents and foreigners

Great, but clowns , you have already given passports to the sleeper cells

caveat emptor wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:
I left because I don't like communists and infidels, and because this is a waste of time. Any talk about the glorification of the USSR drives me crazy, more than this conflict in Ukroshitstan.

Podmornica77, what are you? Some sort of orthodox ISIS or something?
Be able to accept that there are people that hold different views or opinions from yours.

@GarryB Personally, i don't care if someone offends me. If you think that's not cool feel free to act upon it.
But i really hate promotion and glorifying of terrorist acts against civilians, like Dforce did. For that type of behavior, permanent ban is only solution.

Немој да ми извлачиш речи и да их сам "преводиш" како теби одговара. Ја сам све детаљно написао и не одступам од тога и нема ништа спорно, већ мислим
да сам био детаљан. Органски не подносим комуњаре, тако да не знам шта ту има да буде нејасно ? Ти подржаваш оног плачљивца Архангељска, човека који мења садржај текстова више него камелеон боје. Добро, извини за оно "мајмун", морао сам да проверим одакле си.

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The american habit is to bomb 3rd world countries that are 10.000km away from their borders, declare victory and run away as fast as they can before the enemy can put his hands on them.

These regions are russian land. Why should Russia destroy half of the infrastructure just for "revenge" for this or that BS that mostly exists only in the western Twitterverse?

None of the infrastructure is useful, it's all being turned into parks

Russia doesn't expect Ukraine to have any semblance of Industrialized economy after this

So it's a mute point

Russia needs to destroy all of Ukraine along with its manpower

Exhibit no. 1001 that " brotherly" Kazakhstan will need to be dealt with in the near future. Preferably, take northern third of the country permanently and relocate Russian population from remainder of the place. Interestingly, Tokayev recently met with Putin and everything was hunky dory.

https://t.me/rybar/37523

We recently talked about the tacit purchase by Western countries of Soviet weapons and military equipment from the states of the post-Soviet space, in particular from Kazakhstan.

Now we have information at our disposal that right now representatives of Western organizations are looking for an air carrier for a large batch of missiles of an unidentified type for the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Jordanian Amman to Polish Rzeszow.

According to the requirements of the customer, the contractor must have the Il-76 and Boeing-747 transport aircraft. The entire cargo with a total weight of approximately 700 tons is intended to be transferred over 14 consecutive flights.

And now let's remember that the Kazakh company Technoexport, which acted as a contractor in the actual sale of weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, interacted with the Jordanian company Blue Water Supplies. Therefore, with a high degree of probability, we are talking about sending to Poland the same weapons previously purchased in Kazakhstan.

Sophisticated gray schemes allow the government in Astana to cover up its involvement in the machinations of providing military assistance to Ukraine and claim not to be involved.

And after all, Kazakhstan is far from the only one of the countries of the former USSR who supplies weapons to Ukraine. The Azerbaijani authorities are making covert deliveries to Ukraine through the Silk Way company.

In addition, unconfirmed information is circulating about the sale of surplus ammunition in storage in Kyrgyzstan, which is quite likely given the current cooperation between the Kyrgyz military-industrial complex and the Polish one.

Officially, the so-called "allies" can say whatever they want, declaring their innocence and innocence. For these countries, the operation in Ukraine is, first of all, an easy opportunity to make money on long-decommissioned Soviet weapons and, in addition, to annoy Russia by satisfying Western curators.

ALAMO wrote:And the question remains, why the Ukrs are staging all that atrocities?
Political assassinations, the bombing of nuclear infrastructure, and dams than can flood the whole river delta if succeded?
Deliberate targeting civilian sectors of cities where ae no military targets, including lack of men as they fight on the front already?

From the point of view of some free and sovereign (and purely hypothetical) Ukrainian nation fighting against Russian aggression, it makes no sense to decimate your own population, destroy your infrastructure and risk unthinkable catastrophes (and personal consequences for the leadership of the country) by means of NBQ warfare, but from the point of view of the insouciant Anglo elites controlling them it does, totally. The goal from the get go was to inflict as much damage on Russia and their influence sphere / resource base as possible, so current events just fall squarely in line with that strategy. Use 404 as a weapon against Russia until it breaks,and then leave the Russians with the resulting broken state in their balance sheet. What is not to like?

As George the Clown Bush so candidly put when pranked by Vovan&Lexus, ukies just "have to kill as many Russians as possible". That is all that matters to the West, the rest is inconsequential.