flamming_python wrote: Podlodka77 wrote:The Bolsheviks are still killing the Russians, indirectly.. Russian Empire created this, the red vermin sold it and destroyed it. I can't list all the evils that the USSR inflicted on Russia, there is no end. The Russian Empire created this, the reds divided and created a fictional nation with no identity - USSR.
Damned red worms..
Given that Putin is a believer, as well as the close circle around him, I somehow glimpse what will be taken from the current Ukroshitstan.
Someone mentioned Petlyura's Ukrainian National Republic. In fact that state did not start with him, and it was already being prepared prior to the Bolshevik Revolution in October. The plans already in motion by the summer of 1917, that's to say after the February Revolution and abdication of the Tsar.
When the Germans pressed terms at Brest-Litovsk; they forced the Bolsheviks to concede to a German puppet-state in the Ukraine. This was really the Ukraine's birth.
So calm down Francis, the Ukraine did not start nor did it end with the 'red vermin'.
In fact it was the reds who regathered almost all Russian Imperial lands. In the Ukraine, they found enough allies among Ukrainian communists and working class, to proclaim the Ukrainian SSR - and overran the UNR in fairly short order. Had they not made any allies there, this part of the Civil War would have gone on a lot longer, maybe comparable to what it is now.
And let me say it again - there was nothing wrong with the Bolshevik project, the Ukrainian SSR. It was a very successful and developed republic in all measures, and completely loyal to its neighbour Russia as it was all the same country.
The trouble is what came after it and the USSR. The Ukraine has basically reverted to what it was however briefly as the UNR; a nationalist Western-puppet state controlled by its oligarchs/landowners.
Hey RED, the Russia you live in was created by the Russian people and the Russian emperors.
Putin on Ukraine: Donbass was given to them by Lenin, Novorussia has nothing to do with them He said that Ukraine joined the Russian Empire from three territories, while the western parts were "added" to that Soviet republic after the victory in the Second World War. Putin also claims that everything that Ukraine received during the formation of the Soviet Union was donated to that republic by Vladimir Lenin.
He said that Ukraine joined the Russian Empire from three territories, while the western parts were "added" to that Soviet republic after the victory in the Second World War. Putin also claims that everything that Ukraine received during the formation of the Soviet Union was donated to that republic by Vladimir Lenin.
- They say we are returning our territories. Well historically, yes, of course. That is the whole Black Sea region, so to speak. We don't really claim all those territories, but still, facts are facts. Where did Novorussia come from? It is the result of several wars with the Turkish Empire. What is Ukraine, what does Ukraine have to do with it? That has nothing to do with each other - Putin said.
He claims that the western parts of Ukraine were "inherited" after the Second World War.
- Stalin took the territory from Hungary, Romania and Poland and gave it to Ukraine, rewarding that same Poland with the eastern regions of Germany - he said, adding:
- It is known how left-bank Ukraine came into being. It became part of the Russian Empire with three territories: Kiev region, Zhytomyr and Chernigov. That's all, in 1545, or something. Everything that was later added to Ukraine is the result of the formation of the Soviet Union in 1922, donated by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.
Putin also claims that Donbass should have belonged to the RSFSR first, but that Lenin demanded that "the decision be made again" and that the territory be handed over to Ukraine, in order to raise the percentage of the proletarian population in that Soviet republic.
THIS IS WHAT YOUR PRESIDENT SAYS, I DIDN'T INVENT IT.. DON'T SHIFT THE BLAME ON THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE AND ON OVER 1000 YEARS OF RUSSIA, THE ONE THAT EXISTED BEFORE THE RED STINK AND Scum.
Don't make excuses for the Bolsheviks because I hate them almost as much as the Nazis.
I would shit on Lenin's mausoleum, do you understand ?