Russian special military operation in Ukraine #23

Isos wrote:Those could easily go in Ukraine once thet finish the exercice.

Lot of the hardware is from other countries like China and India.

Russia is a big country. The biggest in the world. It has lots of regions that need security. This equipment is just not allocated to the Ukraine front. Nor should it be.

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/394336429

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Arkanghelsk wrote:VOSTOK 2018 2022

My dear schizophrenic friend... The reason for your entire multi-post rant is based on a video that is using footage lifted straight from Vostok 2018.

ALAMO wrote:I really admire your optimism, still it has nothing to do with reality. Sorry.
"Russia uses 10% of forces" is bullshit.
Russkies had land forces in size f about 300k, when this all shit started.
Add 45k of VDV, 15k of Marines ... and that would be as much of it.
That is 350-380k troopers in a whole.
These whole forces were not much bigger than the Ukro army land forces running at 240-260k men.
The difference is, that while Russia dispatched about 120k of its Army there, it was supported by +/- 50k of republican units, both army corps and freshly mobilized reservists, some 15-20k of National Guard, mostly from Chechenya ... and this is how it rolled.
Russians involved about 30% of it's army units to this conflict.
On the other hand, we see how smart move was to establish a national guard units aside of the army ones.
Now, the question is what the additional 140k increase the Putin ordered last week will be.
I see the possibility that it will be a/ brand new forces and b/ we talk including the republican corpses and volunteer units into army ranks. Lots of indirect suggestions that the b/ is going, as with new decrees Putin equalled the privileges and condition of both this groups with the regular Russian army. Including the allowances for the KIAs for their families, benefits for wounded, crippled etc.

By the way, objectively, destructing the biggest army in Europe in the biggest European country, supported by the whole NATO and trained for this sole purpose for the last 8 years, using 30% of the land forces (and 10% of aviation and navy indeed) is already something that will be taught at military academies in next centuries.

Russias land forces was roughly over 400,000 actually.  Closer to 500,000.  Contractors are en mass.  Now they increased it this year as well.

Contrary, majority of Russian forces there seem to consist mostly of voluntary units and Mercenaries.  Russian proper forces seem to consist of VDV and artillery men (I would wager that those are part of Rosgvardi) and of course airforce guys operating.  Maybe Marines too but I am unsure.  Rosgvardi has a lot of units there but their numbers are not accounted for part of Russian military as they are classified as security more so than military.  Kind of confusing.

Edit:

So since this is a special operations and not exactly a war as per Russia, I dont think they use their regular forces for this but as I said, Rosgvardi, VDV and other special units.  Rest seem to be, as I said, volunteers and mercenaries.  Volunteers are getting better equipped though.

this is from what my observation is and what is being said by various telegram groups. But I do not know. There is a lot of fog of war. But if they say they commit to about 10 - 15% of their forces for this, then that would actually make sense - VDV and special units, mixed with Rosgvardi.

The scale of exercises are unreal

Really brings to mind some questions- with this kind of capacity

There's only one plausible reason for SMO tactics

: mercy to Ukrainians from sympathetic Russian elite -

If it were up to me , Ukraine would look like that crater in the exercise

Or perhaps it tells you that the Russian defence force is for defence, and the Ukraine is no threat to Russia, but it was becoming one and could be one in the future if not dealt with properly now.

Right now they are dealing with it and in dealing with it I don't mean murdering everyone and destroying everything... they are a neighbour that is not going anywhere... perhaps half of them are not worth killing... and the ones that are are being killed now or they are running away to the west while the good will remains... soon enough they will find they are not so welcome in the west when things get harder there, but that is a little surprise for them for the future.

You don't use nuclear bombs to plough a field, it is just the wrong tool for the job... what Russia is doing is using the correct tools for the job at hand.

If things change then they might adjust the tools they are using and a new phase might require more men or might involve empowering Ukrainians to deal with their own nazi problem themselves and therefore require less Russians... we wont know till it happens.

I stated weeks ago that Russian army could take on NATO

And Caveat Emptor said I was too optimistic

Of course they can take on HATO, but they would be stupid to do so because the risk of it escalating to a nuclear war would be too high and nuclear war is suicide for Russia... even if they "win" they give the west too much opportunity to do serious fundamental damage to Russia with nuclear weapons... there is no winning there... you are just being stupid.

With that kind of attack Russia would have conquered Ukraine within 2 weeks

No.

With that kind of attack Russia could have occupied a larger portion of the Ukraine, but its position would then be much much worse because so many enemy forces would still be around and fighting and your supply lines would be much much longer and terribly vulnerable to attack and then all those western supplied ambush weapons would have been more useful.

Why do you want this to be over so fast?

A super fast war that does not change anything... Ukraine full of nazis who hate Russians, Zelensky still in charge, Bojo and the US calling the shots, nothing would have changed except you tripled the number of Russians for the Orcs to shoot at... perhaps you should take a pill and calm down and let the professionals work it out.

To be fair you being wrong is OK... I was sure they were never going to invade in the first place, but I didn't know about the nukes and the fact that Kiev was going to attack the Donbass anyway... which makes it obvious all this was necessary.

I support the smo, but part of what Mr Roberts is saying about the grand scheme of things has some merit. I don't understand why things have to be this limited in scope and slow. I read somewhere that in Shoigu's most recent visit to the front, he told them to slow down.

It will be more effective doing it slow... at the end of the war the Russians will be able to point out to the Ukrainian survivors that they didn't level cities or cut power to make them suffer and all the claims of war crimes were only true where the Ukrainians were the purpetrators... if you want to keep fighting for people who are inflicting this war on you then go ahead, but your future with them looks like Libya, your future in cooperating with us could look as good as Crimea, but wont be worse than Abkhazia or South Ossetia... the west wont make better offers.

The idea of smashing everything is a US thing so they can then make billions rebuilding and claim to be fixing everything (except bringing back the dead of course).

Blame your enemy for all deaths and destruction and you can act like an animal... it is not your fault... they made us do it.

No they didn't... you are an animal...

The smo vs Roberts plan are 2 extremes. Maybe they could have the smo but with far more Russian professional military involved.

No they aren't.

Russia is not considering civilian property sacred... once they established the Orcs are using civilian areas for military use they are happy to level them... that mall springs to mind where Orc artillery were using it as a base, and lots of other situations where Orc artillery would fire from near civilian infrastructure and then run to a hiding place in a building some distance away to rearm and repair... we have seen those buildings blown up.

You are seeing and hearing two methods... the method you are seeing is working, and the suggested methods mostly come from the west and are based on how the west fights... more men more bombs, more civilian casualties more destruction... it is not an accident the west is running out of weapons to supply Kiev... they don't do real war, they play a game and then run away.

I am convinced we are not seeing Russian regular army in Ukraine, there's some deployments of volunteers

But bulk of the army is home

That is probably not far from the truth, but that also makes sense... the bulk of Russias military is defending Russia... as it should.

This expeditionary force is doing a job and they are doing an excellent job.

What is your problem?

With this power applied, Ukraine would be smashed

The Ukraine was broken before Russian troops even went in... smashing them isn't the problem... it is bleeding them... if you cut them up into Kashogi sized chunks then you will have a new neighbour moving in next door at some stage that will be a total unknown.

Bleeding them till they can't fight back anymore is the best way to deal with this enemy... just make sure no one else tries to revive them and reanimate your enemy...

He pulled them out and slowed the op down to do the damage to west he'd calculated

That would be a very good reason to do that if that is what happened, but I doubt it.

The west needs some damage for them to realise they are not untouchable.

Salo and food discussion moved here:

https://www.russiadefence.net/t8829-russian-food-examples-and-ideas-including-salo

ALAMO wrote:

sepheronx wrote:
Russias land forces was roughly over 400,000 actually.  Closer to 500,000.  Contractors are en mass.  Now they increased it this year as well.
Contrary, majority of Russian forces there seem to consist mostly of voluntary units and Mercenaries.  Russian proper forces seem to consist of VDV and artillery men (I would wager that those are part of Rosgvardi) and of course airforce guys operating.  Maybe Marines too but I am unsure.  Rosgvardi has a lot of units there but their numbers are not accounted for part of Russian military as they are classified as security more so than military.  Kind of confusing.
Edit:
So since this is a special operations and not exactly a war as per Russia, I dont think they use their regular forces for this but as I said, Rosgvardi, VDV and other special units.  Rest seem to be, as I said, volunteers and mercenaries.  Volunteers are getting better equipped though.
this is from what my observation is and what is being said by various telegram groups.  But I do not know.  There is a lot of fog of war.  But if they say they commit to about 10 - 15% of their forces for this, then that would actually make sense - VDV and special units, mixed with Rosgvardi.  

The 400k number combines army with special forces and other power structures I guess.
We shouldn't mix that.
Russia still has about 200k regular army troops not involved, which is perfectly fine.
They are not needed and must be there in case of anyone cames up to some stupid ideas.
Possible, those will be rotated, to get all the army units some real war experience.
All allied forces involved at  the point are some 200+k men, aside from navy and WKS. This number will increase to 250-280 quite soon. But that will be still about 30% or a regular army units, supported by the special forces, the republican corps, nazgvardia and volunteers.
But not 10% as some wish to portrait it, sorry but not.

Well I thought that the national guard could be used later for policing, "peacekeeping" and antiterrorism operations in the liberated areas. As far as the new volunteer units, no idea.

The fundamental reason for us not expecting war is because Russia is not the west... it is not the UK or the US, who both would have invaded and interfered every chance they got... both seem drawn to war like a moth to a flame, but Russias experience with war is not so shallow... you would think the blitz on the UK never happened... those idiots seem to crave wars because wars have become video games played in other countries on our TV screens.
When an enemy manages to reach out and touch us we go apeshit... like 11/9 and invade everyone.

About Balakleya, report compiled from the best sources I could find. Troubling but not worrysome

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/08/parte-de-guerra-08-09-2022-ofensiva-kharkov/

Might be for here or not depending on what came over/left but more reports of Iranian cargo planes landing in Russia? Drones to Russia, Russian weapons to Iran or both?

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
Well I thought that the national guard could be used later for policing, "peacekeeping" and antiterrorism operations in the liberated areas. As far as the new volunteer units, no idea.

Rosgvardija has an insane ammount of special units that are trained in urban warfare. Mostly to fight terrorists or organised crime but how else would you call Nazi scum like Azov or Kraken?

Ispan wrote:About Balakleya, report compiled from the best sources I could find. Troubling but not worrysome

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/08/parte-de-guerra-08-09-2022-ofensiva-kharkov/

About the offensive in Kharkov: Balakleya
8 September, 2022 Zhukov

General situation:

In order to distract attention from the unsuccessful offensive in Kherson, the propaganda makes a lot of noise about an alleged offensive to the SE of Kharkov, towards Balakleya and the flank of the Russian army in Izyum, with an estimated strength of three brigades, or up to 9,000 men, which in view of the meager results seems to me exaggerated.

What is known for sure is that the Ukrainian army has not been able to take Balakleya, to advanced north and south of the city, and already on the first day of the offensive had to pawn reserves. For the Russian side the situation is disturbing but it is already being remedied.

Brief summary of Cassad, with map

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7848593.html

Summary of Slavyangrad explaining the importance and significance of this action

https://slavyangrad.es/2022/09/08/la-ofensiva-en-la-region-de-jarkov/



Of the multitude of reports this assessment seems to me the best and most accurate and has a special interest for his comments on the tactical problem of attack in positional warfare.

Kharkov front. A sober assessment.

https://t.me/theRightPeople1

The heat of the first day's fighting has subsided and a tentative summary can be made. The Ukraonazis attacked in three directions. As a result, only one tactical success can be noted - the loss of Volokhov Yar and the breakthrough to Shevchenkove. In the other directions, fierce fighting broke out, as a result of which the Ukrainian Armed Forces stopped and bogged down. The fact is that yesterday afternoon the enemy had already begun to bring in reserves. Not even twenty-four hours had passed. Mainly the units instructed according to NATO standards, were launched into battle. They acted competently, but not in a well-coordinated manner. A platoon (section: about 30 men) of motorized infantry of the enemy on Verbovka was attacked by friendly fire due to lack of coordination and was practically completely destroyed, all this happened in full view of our soldiers. In general, no wonder, they have the same problems as us. Our artillery was acting yesterday as usual. All that he could throw, he shoots at the advancing troops, he fulfilled his task, many losses of the enemy reached just in marching order. The units that managed to break through the artillery barrier fire went into combat, but those behind them stopped. Aircraft began to actively work against them. Thanks to this, the enemy forces that took part in the battle near Balakleya were limited. This, in turn, helped the relatively small garrison to contain the enemy. Several fighters took the initiative to send reinforcements to the city in the form of several tanks, which under enemy fire (the road to Balakleya is under enemy fire) managed to getto the city and support the defenders. Several Kamaz truck drivers loaded with artillery ammunition went to the desperate and also managed to get to the city. By the evening, our reserves had reached Balakleya. A longcombined arms battle began, in which our units showed resistance and, as a result, Balakleya remains ours.

In Volokhov Yar, the Nazis were a little luckier, probably their commander was a little smarter. Ukrainian troops did not storm the city, but began to bypass it and moved to Shevchenkove. As a result, our small garrison was surrounded. However, after Semyonovka, the enemy was shelled by artillery and aviation, so he stopped. From Volokhov Yar, the grouping split, a part of it went to Kunya to cut off the transport artery. They also encountered artillery and aviation fire and also stopped.

Simply put: We still cannot talk about any Nazi successes on the Kharkov front.
Except for the loss of Volokhov Yar, the Ukrainian army did not achieve any serious successes. The speed of the attack slowed down already on the first day. If our command continues to competently maneuver and accurately attack the second echelon of the enemy's advancing forces, then by the end of tomorrow it will be possible to talk about a complete cessation of the enemy counteroffensive. At the moment, heavy fighting is taking place on the Kharkov front. The one with the most tempered nerves and a more solid operational approach will win.

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Another important aspect that I find interesting is the Ukrainian material. It is composed of perhaps 50% NATO equipment and 50% obsolete Soviet equipment that even the Soviet Union did not have in service in the 80s (BTR-60s have been seen on the front line in Kharkov) and converted civilian equipment, for example, we have the video of these Ukrainian soldiers going to the front not in an armored car but in a kind of pickup truck.
This does not mean that the Ukrainians do not have war materiel, I think NATO will provide them with everything they need, for example, armored personnel carriers and armored vehicles. But the loss of the army's original equipment is an indication that they have suffered heavy casualties.
If it were a question of updating the army, that is, moving to using exclusively NATO equipment (although the M113 is not an improvement over a BTR in any sense), then we would not see obsolete equipment like the BTR-60.
For example, it has been months since a BTR-4 was seen in combat that was the main infantry armored vehicle of the Ukrainians.
All this points to a large number of casualties.
Does this mean that Ukraine is currently defenseless? No, as I said, the material is coming and also replacements. I'm just talking about casualties. Another issue is the ability to replace those casualties.

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Attacking is a complicated issue in this war, we are in a situation similar to the First World War. If the Russians attack in search of big moves, the casualties will be large.
If Ukraine attacks, the casualties will be many.

The difference from the First World War is that there are no firm lines, so to speak, although the trenches are visible, especially in Donbass. But we have some units that cover positions or areas without anyone (for example, that village behind the Donetsk River with zero Russian troops where the Ukrainians entered and left), this is due to the combination of drones and artillery. In this way, the vast majority of Russian or Ukrainian "frontline" forces are kept kilometers from the battle line, relatively protected from being seen by drones and covered by artillery.
The problem is the attack when the drones easily detect them and the artillery arrives …

File image: The destroyed S-300 division of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporizhzhia region.

The Russian army attack destroyed 12 S-300PT launchers and the S-300PS radar.

But remember guys the BBC expert said that the Russians have absolutely 0 SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defences) capability.
https://t.me/theRightPeople1/6034