Russian special military operation in Ukraine #23

thegopnik wrote:

If Ukrainians are dying like crazy why hasnt their momentum stopped. I guess heading to moscow is no longer a joke to laugh at next.

LPR Ambassador to the Russian Federation Rodion Miroshnik denied the information about the entry of Ukrainian troops into the territory of the LPR - Lisichansk and Svatovo are under the complete control of our troops.

Against the backdrop of the withdrawal of troops from near Izyum, the enemy is now seeking to sow panic with reports of success in other sectors, which we have already observed in the case of Aleksandrovka (Kherson), Yasynuvata and Svatovo with Lisichansk.

It is also worth noting another fresh fake that the Armed Forces of Ukraine occupied the Donetsk airport.

Of course, there is nothing even close to that. The DPR army continues to pick strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine behind the take-off.

https://t.me/intelslava/36721

I have a confession to make... while the Russian Defense Forum "burned"... I took a nap

franco wrote:I have a confession to make... while the Russian Defense Forum "burned"... I took a nap

Do you feel more awake now gramps?

We will do the accounts in a week...

Karl Haushofer wrote:Twitter full of claims of ukrainian forces storming donetsk airport now.

Some Ukrainian TG channels deny this. It’s a propaganda rumour.

Ukrainian military on the outskirts of Izyum

Twatter is winning this war hands down

Not a defeatist, but just an innocent question. Why doesn't Russia do a temporary troop surge of say up to 200,000 to drive the Ukes out of Donestks, take the rest of Zaprozhiye and liberate Kharkov, and simultaneously launch airstrikes to knock out Ukraine's government, intel, and military leadership, hit all bridges and rail junctions across the Dniepr and dielectrify the country? Wicken, Blanken, and Nod and Eurotrash leaders should not be able to so easily make it to Kiev. I get it, the Kiev op was designed to tie down forces so LPR and DPR could be liberated and the Kherson and Zaprozhiye corridors seized, but losing Kharkhov, while not leading to casualties, does only encourage the west and Ukraine and this has to be stopped.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Twitter full of claims of ukrainian forces storming donetsk airport now.

We laughed about that 1 page ago

The concern troll offensive has picked up steam again

walle83 wrote:Ukrainian military on the outskirts of Izyum

Do you enjoy spreading Nazi propaganda ?

walle83 wrote:Ukrainian military on the outskirts of Izyum

Thats fucking it, screw Zircons, poseidons, kinzhals and burevestnik missiles, Russia needs to go send the cobra unit or start testing metal gear weapons on the hohols.

ucmvulcan wrote:Not a defeatist, but just an innocent question.  Why doesn't Russia do a temporary troop surge of say up to 200,000 to drive the Ukes out of Donestks, take the rest of Zaprozhiye and liberate Kharkov, and simultaneously launch airstrikes to knock out Ukraine's government, intel, and military leadership, hit all bridges and rail junctions across the Dniepr and dielectrify the country?

So the collective west can lynch itself with its own hubris, of course. This isn't a war against the Ukraine but a war against NATO with the Ukraine used as a proxy force. Ending this war quickly would give an opening for the EU/US to 'save face' and back down from their sanctions regime whilst moving the Ukraine conflict to an ISIS style insurgency. 

The more mercenaries, neonazis and gullible conscripts that are killed now, the less likely such an insurgency becomes reality. Also, speeding up this operation and mobilizing russian conscripts gives the Banderites more soft targets to attack just like what happened in Kiev, with predictable results.

Excellent observation about the pacing of the operation. Indeed ending it too quickly does not allow for the NATzO west to
stew in its own hate juices long enough to be done. This winter is very important for teaching these sanctimonious freaks
about the essence of reality. They don't get to decide what it is.

One good outcome of this shitshow is that the NATOists, 5th/6th columists and those generally lacking spine are casting off their camo cloaks and exposing themselves for all to see.  My ignore list has doubled in a few days, as life is just too short to worry about the yabbering of the clowns

I'll admit that I'm surprised about the size of the bag that is developing, but war has its surprises, thats the nature of the game.  The key point to note here is that the western flank of Russian-held territory was so lightly defended and that the Russians withdrew their forces at the first signs of the Ukie assault.  Russian troop losses thus far are negligible (almost zero dead-Russian war porn from Ukrorat socila media) and what ground units were mobilised in response have only been used to fight delaying actions and to assist with withdrawals such as the (now well publicised) Rosvgardia units from Balaklaya. Clealry the Russian general staff doesn't consider these areas worthy of defending against a large scale orc incursion, and one can only assume this is method in all of this.

The only real question in my mind is how far will Russia permit the Ukrotrash to advance until they hit solid defense lines?

The Oskol river forms a natural barrier to their westwards advance, so I'd expect that Russia will set up defenses to deny the Ukropi the ability to cross. Interesting that they seem to have withdrawn from western Kupyansk, but while they may withdraw civvies, i'd expect them to solidify on the eastern side. Pushing north to the Russian border makes litle sense as they will primarily be looking south to seek to disrupt Russian moves on Slavyansk, so expect only token probes in this direction.

Ukro have continued their southerly push towards Izyum and reached its outskirts, but I'd expect that finally reached the edge of the bag and will now receive some solid pushback.
Maps suggest that they have been pushed back from Horokhovatka with its bridge over the Oskol, and that would be an expected node for Russians to defend with vigour.

I'm interested to get some accurate estimates of Ukro troop numbers.  9k may have been the initial incursion, but by all accounts they are doubling down and pushing reinforcements into the breach.  Estimates of 50k sounds too high however. Any reliable numbers out there?

A Russian counterstroke is a given but when and where will it fall? I've seen nothing that makes me doubt that this offensive will end in disaster for the Ukrops. They are over-extended with exposed supply lines. Once they reach the limts of how far Russia will permit their expansion, the pushback will begin.

Interesting days ahead

JohninMK wrote:A clearer map

Yeah, thats a map I could believe in.  Rybar maps are just showing a large contested area centered around Izyum, no details, suggesting journalistic laziness or even outright pessimism.  Clearly unlikely as much of the area concerned is forested, and I can't believe that the Ukro intention of fast advance is going to slowly pick its way through forests on foot....  

Ukrops blocked in the west by the Oskol.  Russians holding east Kupyansk. Russians pulling back to defend Izyum and consolidate/concentrate defensive fire. Defending Horokhovatka to deny the Ukrops a river crossing.

Its a big bag in the making and wll challenge the Ukrpi supply & logistics.  It won't easy at all to supply there advance forces contesting Russian defense lines in an environment where they have no choice but to cede total control of the air.  Once the advances slow and the Ukopis pile up against Russian defense lines then the CAS will be able to find targets and lay down the cleaning flames accordingly

Edit: I won't however ignore a possibility that Russia may even choose to abandon izyum as well, though I think its unlikely. There has been many surprises thus far, and things haven't gone the way many of us expected. Clearly the Russian general staff are playing a long game here, and we simply don't know their gameplan...

Exposed: The vast pro-Ukrainian 'bot army' designed to influence Western policy makers

source

Researchers at the University of Adelaide have published a landmark paper on the activities of bot accounts on Twitter related to the conflict in Ukraine. These Australian findings are truly staggering – of 5.2 million tweets on the social media network from February 23 to March 8, between 60 to 80% were shared by fake accounts. What’s more, 90% of those posts were pro-Ukraine.

Plenty of them here in RDF...

Even though the Globalist Liberal influence is balls-deep up Australias arse, the truth sometimes leaks out. Kudos to those researchers in Adelaide, but don't expect yer grants to be renewed next year....

Ispan wrote:Extense report, as detailed as I could manage staying up until 2 AM doing this. Battle is just beginning but the moment of most danger has passed.

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/09/09-09-2022-kharkov-brecha-en-el-frente-y-estabilizacion/

Things got worse than I thought before they starting to get a bit better. Hope tomorrow we can report better news. It's not a disaster but a serious wake up call

Follow up extense detailed report

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/10/parte-de-guerra-11-09-2022-batalla-por-el-rio-oskol/

Big_Gazza wrote:Exposed: The vast pro-Ukrainian 'bot army' designed to influence Western policy makers

source

Researchers at the University of Adelaide have published a landmark paper on the activities of bot accounts on Twitter related to the conflict in Ukraine. These Australian findings are truly staggering – of 5.2 million tweets on the social media network from February 23 to March 8, between 60 to 80% were shared by fake accounts. What’s more, 90% of those posts were pro-Ukraine.

Plenty of them here in RDF...

Even though the Globalist Liberal influence is balls-deep up Australias arse, the truth sometimes leaks out.    Kudos to those researchers in Adelaide, but don't expect yer grants to be renewed next year....

I don't read Twitter, I have a no-script block in Firefox on links to it.
Never had a Twitter account, from day one of it's launch I knew Twitter was for twits. It's vastly inferior format to forums.

Australia is an old British colony, that should explain a lot. It doesn't have a robust constitution like a modern republic.

The WEF will target Australia later, as the population density is not there to encourage food/energy based austerity like is being forced upon Europe, though control by debt seems very high.

Came across this, this could explain what Ukraine are using to launch Brimstone. Poland showcased this back in 2019. BMP-1 vehicle armed with two separate containers with six ready-to-use Brimstones in each. The new platform received a remotely operated weapon station with a 12.7 mm heavy machine gun and six smoke grenade launchers. They also showcased another version based on BMP-2 chassis.

Paul Craig Roberts has posted a rather different assessment of the Russian retreat (I get the impression that his point of view is being widely reflected within Russia at present)

"The Kremlin’s attempt to fight a war with minimal resources and no commitment to disrupt the government and functioning of Western Ukraine and the weapons flowing in from the US and NATO now brings the humiliation of having Ukrainian troops break through Russia’s thinly defended line in the Kharkov region of Eastern Ukraine.

I would be surprised if Russia, by far the superior power, doesn’t quickly regain control over the military situation in Donbass. But the Ukrainian success, no matter how limited or temporary, has doomed Putin’s “limited operation,” which, as I have emphasized, was doomed from the beginning.

It was doomed from the beginning by the Kremlin’s ridiculous assumption that Washington would permit the operation to be limited. The widening of the war was guaranteed. The fact that the war has widened is now understood by Russian TV hosts who say the proxy war in Ukraine between the US and Russia is over and Russia now faces a real direct war with the US and its NATO puppets. For Russia to continue in Ukraine, the Kremlin must fight a real war and knock out the government in Kiev and the governmental and civilian infrastructure that permits Ukraine to conduct war without Russian interference and which permits supply avenues for ever more dangerous Western weapons to be acquired by Ukraine. It is stunning that Putin thought he could drive Ukrainian troops out of Donbass and then sign an agreement ending the conflict.

The Ukrainian success in overrunning Russian positions will widen the war further. Europe’s enthusiasm which was waning will wax again, and Washington will up the provocations to increase the pressure on Putin. Neoconservatives will push for beefing up the US/NATO forces on Russia’s borders and trouble-making in former, but now independent, Russian provinces at the risk of convincing Russia that a broad scale invasion of Russia is being prepared while Russia is trapped in Ukraine. If this happens, it will light the fuse of nuclear war.

The Kremlin dropped the ball when the Kremlin permitted Washington to overthrow the Ukraine government and install a Russian-hating puppet. The Kremlin dropped the ball again when eight years ago the Kremlin let pass the opportunity to reincorporate Donbass into Russia, thus ending the conflict before it could begin. The Kremlin dropped the ball again when it launched a limited military operation confined to Donbass when what was called for was a lightning takedown of Ukraine before the West could respond.

What accounts for these strategic blunders by the Kremlin? I don’t know for sure. My speculation is that Putin was won over by globalism and has as his goal for Russia to be an accepted member of the West’s global order. This goal has imposed all sorts of restrictions on his range of action. Putin couldn’t accept the requests of the Donbass republics to be brought back home to Russia, because it would confirm the West’s propaganda that he intended to rebuild the Soviet empire. Putin couldn’t authorize a blitzkrieg conquest of Ukraine, because it would scare Europe into Washington’s arms forever. Putin has to operate within the confines of international law that Washington and NATO ignore in his effort to prove that Russia adheres to law and resorts to force only as a last resort.

Putin’ solution was agreements, such as the Minsk Agreement on which the Kremlin wasted eight years and the mutual security agreement the Kremlin attempted to get from Washington and NATO prior to the limited operation in Ukraine. Why so much emphasis on agreements even while the Kremlin rightfully complained endlessly of Washington breaking every agreement? It suggests that the Kremlin’s overriding goal has been to have Russia have its rightful place in the Western system, which left the Kremlin reactive, having denied itself a proactive policy of targeting its enemy.

To have such an unrealistic goal requires ignoring the Wolfowitz Doctrine of US Hegemony. It requires ignoring that the massive power and budget of the US military/security complex requires Russia as America’s #1 enemy. It was Trump’s goal of normalizing relations with Russia that brought about President Trump’s downfall. In the face of such powerful evidence as Trump’s demise, how was it possible for the Kremlin to hold on to its delusions and continue to speak of “our Western partners?”

In many ways Putin is a great leader and a man of peace, but he has seriously miscalculated the real situation. His tolerance of insults and provocations has encouraged more, and the provocations are on the verge of initiating a war that will destroy the Western world."

When a man shits, he immediately releases the water...
The same should be done to the comments of Walle83, Arkhangelsk, Zorolabel (a scumbag who likes pictures of Nazis), Azi and the like. Well done Arkhangelsk - you have wonderful friends now and you have completely destroyed your credibility..
ZOROLABEL, remove the picture of the Russian plane from your profile - it's not for you, you're dishonorable.

Podlodka77 wrote:When a man shits, he immediately releases the water...
The same should be done to the comments of Walle83, Arkhangelsk, Zorolabel (a scumbag who likes pictures of Nazis), Azi and the like. Well done Arkhangelsk - you have wonderful friends now and you have completely destroyed your credibility..
ZOROLABEL, remove the picture of the Russian plane from your profile - it's not for you, you're dishonorable.

In fact, everything I posted was just repeated in the latest post by Wargonzo. https://t.me/wargonzo/8212

I guess he is a pro-Ukraine tool as well?

Pull your head out of your ass and realize what is happening.