Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

limb wrote:

walle83 wrote:

limb wrote:A flight of 50 Su-24Ms with svp-24s and 6 fab 500seach, and 40 Su-34s armed with 2 KAB-1500Ss, escorted by 60 Su-30SMsshpuld be sent to bomb at least 10 of the dniepr bridges.

If Russia wants to loose half of all the aircrafts to Ukraine air defence, sure go for it.

Russians can easily jam all ukrop SAMs, and nasams can be spoofed by chaff and  evaded. The only threat is optically guided buk, but this can be  evaded by flying into clouds and going outside of its range.

Sure, thats why the Russian airforce is so active over Ukraine then.

Important to note that Svyatogorsk is inside the borders of the DPR, not Kharkov, indicating the AFU intends to continue the offensive.

I believe the mayor and town administration of the city stayed and supported the Russians when they took control. Not sure what their fate will be.

Medvedev on Zelensky's statement:

A certain Zelensky said he would not engage in dialogue with those issuing ultimatums. The current "ultimatums" are a child's warm-up to the demands of the future. And he knows them: total capitulation of the Kiev regime on Russia's terms.
- Medvedev stated.

Yeah and ? The Russian leadership better understand that literally nothing will stop the US/Nato regime except physical force. And even then, they will have a govt in exile that they will keep recognizing.

walle83 wrote:
Sure, thats why the Russian airforce is so active over Ukraine then.

If it was that easy to suppress mobile AD systems, NATO would succeed above Serbia in 1999. For 400 fired SAMS they destroyed 3 or 4 radars. Plus, Serbian mobile AD systems were obsolete and couldn't engage planes flying above 7000 meters.

Svyatogorsk is under the control of the allied forces, the information about its transfer to the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a fake - the mayor of the city Vladimir Bandura.


Zelensky: “Ukraine cannot return its lands without the help of the United States. I understand it"

This alleged success in the north might be all that is needed for public support in the west for boots on the ground. Is Russia ready ? The whole west is just gushing with war frenzy from this.

When I think about this again, I really dont see mobilization being that important. After all, according to Russian osint and the MoD only 15-20% of the entire standing russian army is engaged in Ukraine. Shouldnt the solution be to use the vast majority of Russian troops and equipment against Ukraine? If theres a mobilization, it would be more prude t to garrison conscripts far from ukraine and use them to take the vavancies left by the standing atmy. All 5 military districs should send their forces to Ukraine.

Duma member agrees that a full mobilization is needed to achieve the objectives of this Ukraine operation.

Hole wrote:Russia controls the pain dial. Last night it went up a little bit.

Exactly. NATO is free to decide how much pain do they want, but the escalation dominance belongs to Russia.

So Russia knew these counter offensives were coming. That is why they paused. It looks like the plan was to just wait for NATO to throw in their last lot and just absorb and beat it back. And then carry on with the SMO after that is over

But NATO isn't going to just sit back after the offensives are over. NATO is treating this like a war for survival.

billybatts91 wrote:Duma member agrees that a full mobilization is needed to achieve the objectives of this Ukraine operation.

https://twitter.com/ILRUSSO1/status/1569355332316446721

That's classic populist statement made by politician.

billybatts91 wrote:Duma member agrees that a full mobilization is needed to achieve the objectives of this Ukraine operation.

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I thought there could be a middle ground between 5 BTG's holding the whole northern front vs full mobilization

There can't be another half measure.

Backman wrote:Svyatogorsk is under the control of the allied forces, the information about its transfer to the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a fake - the mayor of the city Vladimir Bandura.


Zelensky: “Ukraine cannot return its lands without the help of the United States. I understand it"

This alleged success in the north might be all that is needed for public support in the west for boots on the ground. Is Russia ready ? The whole west is just gushing with war frenzy from this.

Svyatogorsk -> Confirmed by multiple pro-RU sources, including ColonelCassad, and there are pictures: https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1569350879702319104

caveat emptor wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:Duma member agrees that a full mobilization is needed to achieve the objectives of this Ukraine operation.
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That's classic populist statement made by politician.

Why do you oppose mobilization? The economy isnt going to buckle from reservist callups.

NATO is treating this as a war of survival. Russia has to too.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

zorobabel wrote:ColonelCassad: AFU have crossed the Donets and have captured part of Svyatogorsk. They are attempting to encircle Lyman.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/63632

So now the fuckup is getting even worse oh wait I am sorry this was all part of the "plaaaaaaaan"

but seriously what the hell are the Russians doing if that's true.

The question is ... where are the Russian troops? Still no reinforcements after 5 days. Not on the entire line? Where are the other 95 brigades? Many pictures of the 3 corps with a new toy. But where is it? Colons on colons ... but they apparently don't get there.

Are they back in Belarus and will they just start running from north to south?

It's all strange. At the latest today I would have had 20 brigades stand today here as a fortification.

At this point I am interested to see what Russia is up to with this withdrawal. Pro Russians in Ukraine will find it hard to trust them, and even the Chechen leader is concerned. Its possible they have decided that they can put enough economic pressure on Ukraine and EU to get what they want without escalating the war further. So they will wait for political collapse in the west and Ukraine.

Skabaeva and Sladkov are preparing all of Russia- you can hear them as they calm the population , they cannot speak so aggressively on TV without inciting the population, as most are ready for war

To me several things could transpire, the troops they brought never crossed into Kharkov,

Just like Feb 24, these have gone to pre-planned deployment points

We await some kind of decision by the leadership to send them , what they wait for I have no idea

Backman wrote:
Why do you oppose mobilization? The economy isnt going to buckle from reservist callups.

NATO is treating this as a war of survival. Russia has to too.

I'm not against it. But they can send more military with current numbers. They had a huge Vostok exercise with 50k soldiers, while whole Kharkov without Izyum was defended with few thousand troops. In my opinion it's about priorities.

Member of the State Duma Security Committee Mikhail Sheremet proposed to introduce full mobilization in Russia

The deputy voiced this opinion in an interview with the URA. RU - according to him, "without full mobilization, transfer to a military footing, including the economy, we will not achieve the proper results." Shermet is sure that today's society needs consolidation and determination to win.

Earlier, Senator Klimov said that there was no need for mobilization in Russia. The head of the Federation Council Commission for the Protection of the State Sovereignty of the Russian Federation supported Vladimir Putin in his statement, who refused to discuss this topic at the Eastern Economic Forum.

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If they don't do this, it's a military defeat, the west will not enter regime change, they are prepared for the scenario and can wait Russia out

At most the Czechs and the eastern europeans will incite a revolt, but nothing in the main western states

Idk what Putin is thinking

Arkanghelsk wrote: Member of the State Duma Security Committee Mikhail Sheremet proposed to introduce full mobilization in Russia

The deputy voiced this opinion in an interview with the URA.  RU - according to him, "without full mobilization, transfer to a military footing, including the economy, we will not achieve the proper results."  Shermet is sure that today's society needs consolidation and determination to win.

That's crazy talk. What is full mobilization, several million people? And what for?

Talks with Ukraine still on the table – Russia

The longer negotiations are delayed, the harder it will be to come to terms, the Russian foreign minister says

“We don’t reject the negotiations; we’re not giving up on the negotiations” with Ukraine, Lavrov told the Rossiya 1 channel.

“Those who reject them must understand that the longer this process is delayed, the harder it will be to reach an agreement,” he added in an apparent reference to the authorities in Kiev.

Lavrov noted that Russia’s President Vladimir Putin earlier voiced the same stance on peace talks.


WTF

So Lavrov and Co. Have been given a task to negotiate peace , and Kharkov is confirmed

A "good-will" gesture,

What a sickening information, the government disgusts me more than the nazis

They want to negotiate with terrorists

Arkanghelsk wrote:So Lavrov and Co. Have been given a task to negotiate peace , and Kharkov is confirmed

A "good-will" gesture,

What a sickening information, the government disgusts me more than the nazis

They want to negotiate with terrorists

That's something I'm more afraid, than anything else.