Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

Arkanghelsk wrote:Amid Ukraine’s effective counter-offensive, Russia’s FM Lavrov proposes negotiations with Kyiv

Mon, September 12, 2022

So it's known now, all the noise of Zaporizhia NPP is to prepare us, for inevitable fact that we will see more gestures of goodwill in Kherson and Zaporizhia

PapaDragon wrote:
They don't need mobilisation, they just need to use some of the troops they already have

Any updates on airstrikes? Are they still at it or have they stopped


After Aleppo I am willing to give Russians benefit of a doubt because they pulled off this apparent trap there successfully despite initial suspicion


But then again from personal experience I am not discounting possibility of Russia pussying out and selling everyone down the river just like Milosevic did here

You never know with East Europe...

0nillie0 wrote:When you are strong, appear week.... I guess?!

Arkanghelsk wrote:Look , when they say "all tasks set at the beginning of SMO will be achieved "

What it means?

Donetsk and Lughansk,

That's it,

Russia is leaving Ukraine, and demarcation line with NATO will be the border

All these statements by officials is to confuse us, the population

Never let your own eyes deceive you to believe the Bullshit fed by the government

Since March what they have wanted is a negotiated settlement

What they will get, is a slap in the face by NATO, and the dishonor to accompany it

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Look , when they say "all tasks set at the beginning of SMO will be achieved "

What it means?

Donetsk and Lughansk,

That's it,

Russia is leaving Ukraine, and demarcation line with NATO will be the border

All these statements by officials is to confuse us, the population

Never let your own eyes deceive you to believe the Bullshit fed by the government

Since March what they have wanted is a negotiated settlement

What they will get, is a slap in the face by NATO, and the dishonor to accompany it

Where did Lavrov say that? Do you have link?

Stealthflanker wrote:It's gonna be suck if only Lugansk and Donetsk as these two will be under constant threat By Ukrainian "retaliatory" attempt. Leaving Kherson will also means leaving Crimea as definitely Ukrainian wont just let that peninsula away. They will choke water supply again.

Otherwise.. Lugansk and Donetsk now add Mariupol, Melitopol and Kherson will endure another 8 years of shelling if not more.

At very least tho.. a landlocked Ukraine must be sought.  LInking up with Transistria will be a good bonus.

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote: Member of the State Duma Security Committee Mikhail Sheremet proposed to introduce full mobilization in Russia

The determination to win.

That's crazy talk. What is full mobilization, several million people? And what for?

Backman wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote: Member of the State Duma Security Committee Mikhail Sheremet proposed to introduce full mobilization in Russia

The  determination to win.

That's crazy talk. What is full mobilization, several million people? And what for?

For what ? To fight 10's of 000's of nato troops pouring into Ukraine maybe ?

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Why would the Kremlin give a shit about it

Backman wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote: Member of the State Duma Security Committee Mikhail Sheremet proposed to introduce full mobilization in Russia

The  determination to win.

That's crazy talk. What is full mobilization, several million people? And what for?

For what ? To fight 10's of 000's of nato troops pouring into Ukraine maybe ?

Backman wrote:
For what ? To fight 10's of 000's of nato troops pouring into Ukraine maybe ?

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:It's gonna be suck if only Lugansk and Donetsk as these two will be under constant threat By Ukrainian "retaliatory" attempt. Leaving Kherson will also means leaving Crimea as definitely Ukrainian wont just let that peninsula away. They will choke water supply again.

Otherwise.. Lugansk and Donetsk now add Mariupol, Melitopol and Kherson will endure another 8 years of shelling if not more.

At very least tho.. a landlocked Ukraine must be sought.  LInking up with Transistria will be a good bonus.

Why would the Kremlin give a shit about it

Peskov wife is dancing in Greece

caveat emptor wrote:
Let's just deploy numbers they had in May. Kharkov didn't happen because Ukrainians did something outstanding, but because it was almost undefended.

A dear friend of mine sent me today news that Russian authorities are preparing to change the status of SMO in Ukraine. When I read the news, I commented " War? That's the way I interpret it". The answer was " basically". So, what this means exactly? Russia can by voting in State Duma proclaim an Anti-terrorist operation in Ukraine. Similar action has been done during the last war in Chechnya. We all know how that ends. It was swift and brutal. You will say, Ukraine is not Chechnya. It's not. But it will be brutal. Not so swift. But another good friend of mine, as well as a good amount of readership is thinking that Russia is withdrawing and searching for an exit from Ukraine. Let's discuss it simply. If Russia withdraws now, or in near future, I believe that her significance in world affairs would be totally diminished, with a big internal crisis which consequence I can't predict at all. Maybe even the existence of Russia as an entity came into question. But, in the last few days, we heard many high-ranking Russian officials simply saying that all goals of SMO would be fulfilled. Certainly, we don't expect them to say, "all is lost, each on his own". But the coldness and tone with which the message is repeated, are entirely different from the slow, annoyingly careful, and patient way and language which characterized the Russian diplomatic approach to affairs. I was thinking, you don't bump yourself into the chest, playing gorilla, and then run away with your tail between your legs like some chihuahua. If the second is in question, we can repeat all negative scenarios about Russia's future. Every single one of them, and each would be perfectly plausible and possible. But if the first option is in case, which I think it is, I expect a significant escalation of hostilities in not so distant future. I don't believe that idiots are sitting in the Kremlin or the General staff of the Ru army. Annoyingly slow, as mentioned above, but far, far away from being idiots. In the end, my friend and I finished the short discussion with " So, the stone age for Ua? ". Answer was

thegopnik wrote:https://twitter.com/mdfzeh?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1569370496554205186%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url= 10k personell to ulgedar. Does anyone have a number of how much ukrainians were deployed to make such a push? I want to keep a track of ukrianian bodies.

thegopnik wrote:https://twitter.com/mdfzeh?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1569370496554205186%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url= 10k personell to ulgedar. Does anyone have a number of how much ukrainians were deployed to make such a push? I want to keep a track of ukrianian bodies.