Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25

calripson wrote:

Backman wrote:After Kadyrovs call for self mobilization, several cities have responded. So far these regions announced volunteers units that are ready:

Crimea
Tatarstan
Vladivostok
Kirov
Voronezh
Chuvashia
Bashkiria

See the rich folk in Moscow and Saint Petersburg aren't on the list.

Don't be surprised. Moscow and SP would have the lowest percentage of responses compared to other Russian cities. Do you think that in the USA it would be different with NYC or Chicago ? Here in Serbia, there was a similar situation with Belgrade, Novi Sad, etc. It is not without reason that it is said that "the poor" always die in war.
There is a joke in Serbia that reads; "What are the residents of Serbia who live outside Belgrade called? The answer is; Outsiders"...

I guess, better luck next time.

https://t.me/milinfolive/90677?single

Apparently, the school in Konstantinovka was hit by an American AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missile fired from a Ukrainian MiG-29.

Most likely, there was an abnormal launch of a rocket and it landed in a local school.

https://t.me/rybar/38938

Ghost of knerson states good news tommorow morning and that Ukrainians will cry. Well guess that is something to look forward to here.

caveat emptor wrote:I guess, better luck next time.

https://t.me/milinfolive/90677?single

Apparently, the school in Konstantinovka was hit by an American AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missile fired from a Ukrainian MiG-29.

Most likely, there was an abnormal launch of a rocket and it landed in a local school.

https://t.me/rybar/38938

Not really. They launch them and hope to lock on mid flight. This one for sure locked on a civilian antenna or ukrops used the school as a military base and put communication device there that was emmiting military grade signals.

Hole wrote:
After seeing this video and the one with the BMP-1 driver killing at least 2 of his own and then crashing into the crater made by artillery, the creators of the Darwin award decided to leave the trophy insinde "Ukraine" forever.

Can you point me to the two videos. I probably have not seen them.

https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/18+!-Ukrainian-Mechanised-unit-panics-in-combat.:9
BMP driver runs over his own guys

https://twitter.com/TheHumanFund5/status/1570966953657012226?cxt=HHwWhMDUqd-Hmc0rAAAA
M113 wants a fight with an BTR-82A

Isos wrote:
Not really. They launch them and hope to lock on mid flight. This one for sure locked on a civilian antenna or ukrops used the school as a military base and put communication device there that was emmiting military grade signals.

It sounds plausible. It doesn't look like the best strategy to me as it can easily cause friendly casualties.

Mir wrote:Nice footage of a Ka-52 destroying one of the barges the other day at the NPP with Vikhrs ATGM's.
Apparently Russians don't use these kind of missiles  

That's not a barge, but concrete bridge support.

Check the cormorants flying away after the hit.



They did destroy a barge (the red one) before, but it wasn't caught on the video.

https://ria.ru/20220917/raketa-1817485012.html
American HARM missiles have shown zero effectiveness against Russian radars. Most of them were shot down in the air by air defense systems, the rest were suppressed by electronic warfare systems.

caveat emptor wrote:

Isos wrote:
Not really. They launch them and hope to lock on mid flight. This one for sure locked on a civilian antenna or ukrops used the school as a military base and put communication device there that was emmiting military grade signals.

It sounds plausible. It doesn't look like the best strategy to me as it can easily cause friendly casualties.

HARMs loved serbian dummy radar emmiters made out of civilian antenna and electronics.

Such missiles are very effective when the radar isn't protected but if you have 10 fake radars around your radar it becomes pretty shitty.

Ukrainians on the other hand didn't use such tactics against the kh-31 which is surprising since the serbian AD role is studied by all the military schools around the world that train AD crews.

It's not that hard to fool anti radiation missiles. Specially when you have companies in those fields like Ukraine has.

"On Russian losses, BBC News Russia and Mediazona have managed to confirm by name about 6,200-6,400 killed servicemen as of 15 September. Assuming this represents about 60% of the actual number (which is quite generous in my opinion,) we arrive at about 10,300-10,600 Russian servicemen (across all branches) KIA. The DPR regularly provides reports on their losses, which total 3,069 as of 15 September - a very reasonable number. LPR KIA is probably roughly equal, perhaps 500-1,000 less. All of this totals about 15,000 KIA for the entirety of the Russian allied forces."

FULL ARTICLE: https://nikolovichrs.blogspot.com/2022/09/on-losses.html

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Sujoy wrote:Having suffered a massive defeat in Ukraine, the U.S is now trying to set Russia's southern border on fire

Azerbaijan is invading Armenia

Tajikistan is fighting Kyrgyzstan

Taliban are shelling Uzbekistan

Chechen opposition is unifying

Georgia is contemplating a referendum on taking back Ossetia

Kazakhstan is necking with China

Well concerning Ossetia and Abkhazia for Georgia, that is a similar story as Kosovo for Serbia. It is their land that in the past has been too passively welcoming of nomadic settlers  coming from abroad.  And at one point these "guests" kicked the local inhabitants away from their own houses.

I will add more details in the Georgian thread, as it is off topic for the Ukrainian war discussion.

I just want here to reiterate that the situation in Georgia has nothing to do with that in the Ukraine, and that because of  mistakes from both sizes the relationship between Georgia and Russia has been ruined (and this is another mess caused by Gorbaciov, Shevardnadze and Eltsin)

The Ossetians were nomadic settlers at one point; but they settled present-day Ossetia (north and south) around the time that Rus' was founded. If they're descended from the Scythians though as they claim then they were around there in the B.C. times as nomads; Scythian artifacts, graves have been found in both North and South Ossetia.
The Georgians most likely settled that land permanently earlier, but the Georgian kingdom as a unified entity actually only dates from around the same period. Before the constituent peoples that became the Georgians were just individual principalities and tribes and to talk of the Ossetians (Alans) as being part of Georgia is therefore meaningless. Both Georgia and Alania co-existed on the medieval map and most of what's today South Ossetia was part of the later until the kingdom was destroyed by the Mongols for good.
Georgia was the feudal kingdom that persisted though and therefore what's now South Ossetia was for most of the last millennium part of Georgia and the domain of various Georgian nobles. Ossetians lived there throughout that time and sometimes migrated to and fro to other areas of Georgia or the wider Caucasus.

The Abkhaz with a language related to that of the Circassians, one of the oldest population groups in the Caucasus, were probably in Abkhazia earlier than anyone else, at least anyone else still existing. They were integrated into the Georgian nobility from what I understand. Don't know what ultimately happened there. Abkhaz culture, cuisine, etc... is very similar to the Georgian one.

Maybe stop taking English Wikipedia for a reference.

franco wrote:"On Russian losses, BBC News Russia and Mediazona have managed to confirm by name about 6,200-6,400 killed servicemen as of 15 September. Assuming this represents about 60% of the actual number (which is quite generous in my opinion,) we arrive at about 10,300-10,600 Russian servicemen (across all branches) KIA. The DPR regularly provides reports on their losses, which total 3,069 as of 15 September - a very reasonable number. LPR KIA is probably roughly equal, perhaps 500-1,000 less. All of this totals about 15,000 KIA for the entirety of the Russian allied forces."

FULL ARTICLE: https://nikolovichrs.blogspot.com/2022/09/on-losses.html

No reason to believe that this would only be about 60% of the actual number. On what basis?

At the start of the war that assumption would have been more valid, due to the numbers of missing, injured men dying, and the high casualty rates and confirmations not keeping up.
But since then the casualty rate has vastly decreased and most MIA's have probably been confirmed one way or the other.

I'd say total KIA's are in the ballpark of 6-7k across all branches and incl. all sorts of Chechen-organized volunteers and Wagner people.
About the DNR/LNR that's a separate matter.

Hilarious that the world media controlled by the US is recycling Saddam Hussein's propaganda ideas.

Isos wrote:
HARMs loved serbian dummy radar emmiters made out of civilian antenna and electronics.

Such missiles are very effective when the radar isn't protected but if you have 10 fake radars around your radar it becomes pretty shitty.

Ukrainians on the other hand didn't use such tactics against the kh-31 which is surprising since the serbian AD role is studied by all the military schools around the world that train AD crews.

It's not that hard to fool anti radiation missiles. Specially when you have companies in those fields like Ukraine has.

Yes i know. They've spent 400 missiles for 3 or 4 hits.

sepheronx wrote:I truly believe that eventually Russia will have to punish Kazakhstan.  And guaranteed China will follow along.  It doesn't seem Kazakhs are very bright seeing as they are wedged between two major powers that they will end up antagonizing on behest of Turkey.

One should not underestimate how much of the Kazakh elite has been bought up by Anglo-American concerns, how many of their elite's kids are studying in the West, how many of them have property there, or shares in companies, mutual investments, Western investments in Kazakhstan.

To be more precise, overall Russia has more of most of these things with Kazakhstan; mutual investments, property investments, students from Kazakhstan, etc... but the elites specifically are in bed with the West.

And Tokayev's political base still looks shaky for that reason. He's facing a crisis of legitimacy and his nobles are plotting against him. Nazarbayev's money and state holdings in the West are still frozen and subject to the West giving its approval to the newly elected leader of Kazakhstan after elections there. And in the elections themselves Tokayev needs to unite society behind him. One can give Tokayev the benefit of the doubt on that basis.

Nevertheless there are lines that are not to be crossed even with all that considered and selling weapons through intermediaries to the Ukraine is certainly one such line; it amounts to treachery against a military ally.

Provided that this deal is torpedoed, Russia can tolerate everything else. Main thing is that Tokayev cements his powerbase. If he then decides to switch to America and Europe after all then measures can be taken after that by Russia and China but I have my doubts it will come to that. The Kazakhs are in fact not that stupid, it's just a country which has been thoroughly sold, bought out, destabilized and all this can't be reversed instantaneously.
A Russian victory against the West in the Ukraine especially will close this question as well.
Any open antagonism of Russia towards Kazakhstan however will be extremely counterproductive. There are many there who are positively disposed towards Russia and do not agree with the schizophrenia of their leadership.

flamming_python wrote:

franco wrote:"On Russian losses, BBC News Russia and Mediazona have managed to confirm by name about 6,200-6,400 killed servicemen as of 15 September. Assuming this represents about 60% of the actual number (which is quite generous in my opinion,) we arrive at about 10,300-10,600 Russian servicemen (across all branches) KIA. The DPR regularly provides reports on their losses, which total 3,069 as of 15 September - a very reasonable number. LPR KIA is probably roughly equal, perhaps 500-1,000 less. All of this totals about 15,000 KIA for the entirety of the Russian allied forces."

FULL ARTICLE: https://nikolovichrs.blogspot.com/2022/09/on-losses.html

No reason to believe that this would only be about 60% of the actual number. On what basis?

At the start of the war that assumption would have been more valid, due to the numbers of missing, injured men dying, and the high casualty rates and confirmations not keeping up.
But since then the casualty rate has vastly decreased and most MIA's have probably been confirmed one way or the other.

I'd say total KIA's are in the ballpark of 6-7k across all branches and incl. all sorts of Chechen-organized volunteers and Wagner people.
About the DNR/LNR that's a separate matter.

The author of the blog stated that he felt the number was probably lower then the 60% but obviously wished to error on the side of caution. And I also would think that Russian number would include volunteers and Rosgvardia.

franco wrote:"On Russian losses, BBC News Russia
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FULL ARTICLE: https://nikolovichrs.blogspot.com/2022/09/on-losses.html

BBC News aka the Paedo Channel - not exactly the most reliable source?

Firebird wrote:

franco wrote:"On Russian losses, BBC News Russia
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FULL ARTICLE: https://nikolovichrs.blogspot.com/2022/09/on-losses.html

BBC News aka the Paedo Channel - not exactly the most reliable source?

The BBC would tell it's reader 60,000... However they have been along with assistance of pro-western Russian assets been reporting all recorded funerals and death announcements across Russia of servicemen. Supposedly to proof their point of high casualties however this does give some base to work with.

Werewolf wrote:

Hole wrote:
After seeing this video and the one with the BMP-1 driver killing at least 2 of his own and then crashing into the crater made by artillery, the creators of the Darwin award decided to leave the trophy insinde "Ukraine" forever.

Can you point me to the two videos. I probably have not seen them.

Here you go:

https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/18+!-Ukrainian-Mechanised-unit-panics-in-combat.:9

I would have PM'd you, but you are a hard man to reach

flamming_python wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Sujoy wrote:Having suffered a massive defeat in Ukraine, the U.S is now trying to set Russia's southern border on fire

Azerbaijan is invading Armenia

Tajikistan is fighting Kyrgyzstan

Taliban are shelling Uzbekistan

Chechen opposition is unifying

Georgia is contemplating a referendum on taking back Ossetia

Kazakhstan is necking with China

Well concerning Ossetia and Abkhazia for Georgia, that is a similar story as Kosovo for Serbia. It is their land that in the past has been too passively welcoming of nomadic settlers  coming from abroad.  And at one point these "guests" kicked the local inhabitants away from their own houses.

I will add more details in the Georgian thread, as it is off topic for the Ukrainian war discussion.

I just want here to reiterate that the situation in Georgia has nothing to do with that in the Ukraine, and that because of  mistakes from both sizes the relationship between Georgia and Russia has been ruined (and this is another mess caused by Gorbaciov, Shevardnadze and Eltsin)

The Ossetians were nomadic settlers at one point; but they settled present-day Ossetia (north and south) around the time that Rus' was founded. If they're descended from the Scythians though as they claim then they were around there in the B.C. times as nomads; Scythian artifacts, graves have been found in both North and South Ossetia.
The Georgians most likely settled that land permanently earlier, but the Georgian kingdom as a unified entity actually only dates from around the same period. Before the constituent peoples that became the Georgians were just individual principalities and tribes and to talk of the Ossetians (Alans) as being part of Georgia is therefore meaningless. Both Georgia and Alania co-existed on the medieval map and most of what's today South Ossetia was part of the later until the kingdom was destroyed by the Mongols for good.
Georgia was the feudal kingdom that persisted though and therefore what's now South Ossetia was for most of the last millennium part of Georgia and the domain of various Georgian nobles. Ossetians lived there throughout that time and sometimes migrated to and fro to other areas of Georgia or the wider Caucasus.

The Abkhaz with a language related to that of the Circassians, one of the oldest population groups in the Caucasus, were probably in Abkhazia earlier than anyone else, at least anyone else still existing. They were integrated into the Georgian nobility from what I understand. Don't know what ultimately happened there. Abkhaz culture, cuisine, etc... is very similar to the Georgian one.

Maybe stop taking English Wikipedia for a reference.

At the time of the early Roman Republic, most of current  Georgia was occupied by two nations: Egrisi in the west (that we called Colchis) and Iberia in the east.

From what I can understand Colchis were the ancestors of modern western Georgians.


Note:
Greece as well never existed as unified nation except for the time when Alexander conquered all the city states (and later went to conquer also Egypt and the middle East).


Italy as well basically never existed as unified independent nation (and probably even the country formed in 1861 has never been that), but we have  a good idea of what we refer by Italy (both culturally and Geographically) since more than 2000 years (when Gallia cisalpina (corresponding to most of current northern Italy) was added to what the Romans called Italy before (while the islands of sardina, Sicily and Corsica were instead added 3 centuries later)

The medioeval "bizantin empire" was not Greece, it was just the Eastern part of the Roman empire which was culturally predominantly Greek (even if after the death of Giustiniano it became something more similar to a successor of itself)

They called themselves Romans till the end (and after the conquer of Constantinople in 1453 the ottoman sultan added to his titles Kayzer-i Rûm: Caesar of Rome, not king of the Greeks.