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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #25

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    Post  Backman Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:15 pm

    TMA1 wrote:
    But you would have to be a fool if you cannot see that the west wants total mobilization of Russian troops..

    The west provoked this whole war to give them to room to sanction Russia and it failed. Russia mobilizing another 100,000 troops is not going to tank the economy either.

    There is something about the Russian MFA posting about dead kids from shelling that leaves me asking, what did you expect? The US thinks that shelling civilians if it gets bad enough, will bring Russia to the negotiating table (to neg Minsk 3 so that they can build another army and try to take everything back including Crimea in the future)

    The only thing that will stop it is pushing the Nazi regime 300 kilometers west. And snuffing it out in Kiev.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:20 pm

    This is as cynical as it gets, from a MoA poster.

    Ukies must want to know if they killed the people they were after.

    Ukraine turned to Russia with a request to provide information about the victims of the shelling of the penal colony in Yelenovka in the DPR, said Dmitry Lubinets, Commissioner for Human Rights of the Verkhovna Rada.

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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:25 pm



    Clowns in NATzO and in Russia think that territory is "controlled and occupied". No, 99% of it is empty space as far as military presence
    is concerned. This obsession with how much some side controls was evident during the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Supposedly
    the Mujaheddin were always controlling most of it when they were not even physically present. The same goes for Syria. So war progress
    is measured by the instantaneous alleged territorial control.

    The Kiev regime forces in Kharkov cannot control that territory. They lost almost 3,000 men just moving into real estate vacated by
    Russian forces. If Russia wanted to posture for the cameras it could mop them up. This will happen in the near term after Donetsk
    is cleared of Kiev regime goons.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:30 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:If Ukraine is allowed to retake Mariupol, blah blah blah blah.

    Oh do pls STFU with such nonsense. Honestly, this steroid-laced FUD is really trying my patience. Is there no limit to the absurdities we must endure? Suspect

    What is nonsense about it? Ukraine has a shit-ton of troops ready to storm Donetsk, Russia is undermanned right now and losing territory by the day.

    Bozos like you who are trying to act all cool, calm and collected are the problem. This is how Russian leadership is acting right now. They, along with you all, don't understand the urgency of the situation apparently. Now is not the time to think everything will magically work out in the end with the current half-assed approach. That's not how this works. If Russia doesn't do what it's supposed to in time, they will lose this war and lose all credibility and legitimacy as a country along with it.

    Russia has all the troops it could ever need to defend Donetsk and any other bit of territory. If anything is being lost, so then it is not a priority to hold, ala let them come closer..

    If it really needed to, it can transfer VDV and Naval Infantry very rapidly to reinforce any sections of the front that are under attack. But it's hardly neccessary, Russia has plenty enough in static defense, the DNR/LNR armies, and the force multipliers that augment them such as air power, EW and artillery superiority; to nullify an advancing force of even 50,000 men.

    Do calm down.


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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:33 pm

    Backman wrote:^ They want to but it's not clear if Russia wants to do it now.

    Residents of the Kherson region want to hold a referendum as soon as possible to get guarantees of the region's entry into Russia with reference to Kirill Stremousov.

    The Public Chamber of the DPR appealed to Pushilin with a request to hold a referendum on the republic's entry into the Russian Federation.

    By Residents of the Kherson region they of course mean these Kirill Stremousovs and other beaurocrats Russia found to take its side.. they want a guarantee their ass won't be abandoned Laughing

    Well very well. But as to residents of Kherson, I don't know much about what they want or not. And frankly at this stage it doesn't matter.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:41 pm

    Backman wrote:
    TMA1 wrote:
    But you would have to be a fool if you cannot see that the west wants total mobilization of Russian troops..

    The west provoked this whole war to give them to room to sanction Russia and it failed. Russia mobilizing another 100,000 troops is not going to tank the economy either.

    There is something about the Russian MFA posting about dead kids from shelling that leaves me asking, what did you expect? The US thinks that shelling civilians if it gets bad enough, will bring Russia to the negotiating table (to neg Minsk 3 so that they can build another army and try to take everything back including Crimea in the future)

    The only thing that will stop it is pushing the Nazi regime 300 kilometers west. And snuffing it out in Kiev.


    Russia will be waiting for Kiev to exhaust itself more first before making its move. Which means waiting for them to come to Russian lines or encouraging them to do so, where possible. At the moment Russia does not even have to go anywhere

    Once again, are you guys really so hungry for more Peski's, Mariupol's, Lisichyansk's, Bakhmut's and other assorted fortified zones? The Donbass is a massively urbanized region. To the point that you sometimes can't tell where one town ends and another begins. It's ripe for being turned into a massive fortress full of expendable cannon fodder who fight to the end secure in the knowledge that their side is 'winning' as Western/Ukrainian propaganda has expended such effort to demonstrate.
    Russia wants them to get out of all these buildings, all these ambush locations, all these hidden artillery emplacements in wood clearings - and come to its lines instead. It really is that simple

    Once Ukrainian forces are reduced enough Russia will execute the coup de grace, I suspect. The war can be over in a very short amount of time if Russia does it correctly.

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    Post  Ispan Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:59 pm

    catching up, various reports from different sources on the past 5 days

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/19/noticias-de-la-guerra-19-09-2022/

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:22 pm

    Reading some of you I just have to coup out more and more....

    Some of you are just seeing the Ukraine theater and are for full mobilization and 1 Mln. russian soldiers in Ukraine and that is exactly what the US wants. Ukraine is just a small plate on the table and you are not seeing the the barbarians sitting around you waiting for your hands to reach out and stab you all at the same time.

    Europe is the entire chessboard and US and Russia have a certain amount of chess pieces they can move only so far. Every piece on the board you misuse you are closer to your demise. Russia is fighting for survival and so is the US for it's hegemonic place in this world.

    Belarus is staying put for a reason.
    China is not going in despite knowing if they team up with Russia then NATO is check-mate without even putting up a fight, because they have their own agenda.
    Russia still has the option to place nukes in Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and probably some other places.
    Russia is pulling its troops because they know some NATO movement, which I have seen last week Friday in Germany, big cargo movement from Nürnberg to Munich. Several columns with shit load of Fuchs-Panzer, 15t Cargo trucks and several "Funker" Units replacing. Certainly out of the norm movement.
    You have to expect NATO blockade of Kaliningrad at any moment. You think it is illegal? The West wont care, they only see who makes military movement and what the MSM tell them.

    There are a lot of maneuvering outside of Ukraine and full mobilization would handicap Russia more than help.

    Anyone who is for full mobilization is an idiot that doesn't understand the full implications for the economy, military and political sphere. Idiots, it means directly that civilian life style ends immediately and every production moves from civilian purpose to military aid and effort. Everyone becomes a target, everyone will be target to demoralization just from the conditions and the mobilization fact a long with more people easier used and abused by propaganda and misinformation to become the enemies collaborator.

    And like PD, spherenox, LFMS, mike and others have said, the more Ukrops die the better it is for Russia. Keep the meatgrinder running until after winter and then grab what you can. Start maneuvering troops in Belarus to pressure Pre-baltics before they decide becoming Western suicide squat trying to blockade Kaliningrad. Poland is already wasteland, they will and want to be spearhead against Russia. They can have that.

    The more I listen to you armschair generals the more I am certain that you trisomy-riddled twats would have already achieved what the West has planned for decades. Humble your asses and let the real men do their job. I am certain Shoigu will knock on your basement door to ask for your strategy in these matters to win WW3.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:35 am

    TMA1 wrote:Billybats91 dont talk shit to LMFS pls he is one of the better contributors to this board and you are getting emotional. Look this situation for the people trying to break away from Ukraine is horrible. Thry suffer the cruelest. Sadly also with the way troops are moving often citizens can get stuck where they are behind enemy lines and are tortured and killed. There is no good in any of this.

    But you would have to be a fool if you cannot see that the west wants total mobilization of Russian troops. The fact that Russia intervened is enough to show thry are in this for good. But they will not move completely yet. Ultimately I think they will have to as the western elites are deluded and panicking. They will not relent or give up power. Our people here in the west have no idea how out of touch and wicked they are.

    Don't worry, he made it in a record time into my ignore list. A true champion! thumbsup

    Economy is #1 prio, Russia is spending a token amount of resources and cashing windfall profits while the West gets the firewood ready for this winter. If they want to escalate, Russia will oblige. Until then, khokhol bodies keep pilling by the thousands and the military stocks of every NATO aligned country are consumed into nothingness. Guess who has a solid strategy at play in who is deluding themselves...

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:42 am

    Ispan wrote:catching up, various reports from different sources on the past 5 days

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/19/noticias-de-la-guerra-19-09-2022/

    War news 15 to 19/09/2022
    19 September, 2022 Zhukov

    General situation:

    Belgorod Front - The enemy accumulates troops and conducts harassing attacks.

    In front of the Oskol, Ukrainian media acknowledge that the Russians hold the entire line of the river, especially the points where the bridges (destroyed) passed in Kupyansk and Borova. Stable.

    Seversky Donetsk Front: Krasny Liman resists but the Ukrainians have flanking bridgeheads and infiltrate patrols. Stable but threatened.

    Kherson Front: the Ukrainian bridgeheads conquered with so many losses are increasingly under pressure. Russian defensive victory so far. Ukrainian sources confirm that they have already suffered more than ten thousand casualties among dead and wounded, and dozens of armored and cannons on this front and continue to add.

    Central or Zaporozhye Front: The Ukrainians do not decide to attack in the face of the reinforcement of the Russian lines.

    Donbass Salient: Small advances in the Donetsk-Gorlovka sector and in Artemovsk.



    Interactive map 15-18 September

    https://kot-ivanov.livejournal.com/26002.html

    North Front. The Ukrainian Armed Forces crossed the Seversky Donets River and occupied villages on the approaches to Krasny Liman, the enemy took Svyatogorsk. The starting bases for storming Liman are almost ready.
    On the Kherson front, from 16 to 18 September, the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked Pravdino from three directions. The armored groups were divided and dispersed. Attempts to expand the bridgehead in the Sukhoi Stavki area are continuing.
    Central Front. The activity of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the testing of our defenses in the direction of Ugledar continues.

    Videos of the Pravdino fighting

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7871638.html#cutid1

    Maps

    Donetsk sector



    Various reports from various sources. My comments in italics, I have edited the derogatory references to the enemy (Khokols, pigs, ukrami ... etc) not out of respect or impartiality, just to facilitate understanding.



    Summary of Gleb Bazov, 17 September

    Oskol River

    The Russians are pressing in the border region next to Valuyki, eliminating the Ukrainian elite assault units along the Oskol line, potentially preparing to oust Ukraine from Kupyansk, but they are being pressured in turn in the Studenok/Svyatogorsk area. Near Krasny Liman, the situation is stable, a significant reinforcement of Russian artillery has been introduced.

    Along the Oskol line, Russia has brought elite units, which are now slowly beginning to prepare to push the enemy to the west.

    In the Ugledar area, the Russians are pressing. Near Krasnogorovka, the 100th Brigade of the DPR is advancing well, near Artyomovsk, Wagner is advancing well.

    At the Andreevka bridgehead (Ingulets River), the Ukrainian military mass grave and the equipment junkyard are growing in size every hour.

    Stable situation in Zaporozhe and along the northern border.

    Summary of Vladislav Ugolny 18 September

    Russian troops are making efforts to stabilize various directions. It is reported that the enemy in the Kharkov region is regularly being hit by Russian artillery. The eastern half of Kupyansk is still in Russian hands although under constant cannonade

    A dangerous direction for us is the possible offensive of the enemy along Dvurechnaya and Kupyansk in the direction of Svatovo. At the moment, as I understand, elite Russian units have been sent there. They did not take part in the defense of the Balakleya — Primorskoye line, but now their time has come.
    She Is Older Than Edda On September 19
    The enemy armored group, which was accumulating in the Dvurechnoye settlement in order to deal a decisive blow to our defenses on the Oskol River, was destroyed yesterday by an aircraft or missile attack. There were loud explosions, and the enemy temporarily abandoned the attack in this area. Their losses are heavy.

    Ukrainians have suffered significant losses, some even caused by kamikaze drones of Iranian origin. For now, the Ukrainians have not yet withdrawn their shock brigades and have not replaced them with "cannon fodder", so it is possible that they will continue to attack.

    Further south, the situation has not yet stabilized. Krasny Liman resists, but little by little she is being enveloped by the flanks. The enemy has also advanced in the direction of Belogorovka and is shelling Lisichansk and its environs. At the moment, there is no evidence that they have Belogorovka in their possession. It is unknown whether they will lead a couple of brigades there to develop the offensive.

    From Soledar to Ugledar, our troops are gradually advancing to the west. At the same time, in the Ugledar area, our lines in Ugledar are closed, Ukrainians are also gathering their reserves. Donetsk, Gorlovka, Yasynuvataya and Makeyevka are under fire. The good news is the promotion of Artemovsk

    In the direction of Kherson, the Ukrainians are fighting to keep their Andreyevka bridgehead. The situation is currently stable, but the cemetery that the bridgehead has become is no longer receiving reinforcements, neither troops nor material



    Summary of Crónica Militar (Military Chronicle) 18 September



    Blocking the advance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kherson region. Details

    After the Kh-101 cruise missile strikes on the Karachun Dam on Krivouy Rog and the increased flow of the Ingulets River, the supply of the tactical groups of the Ukrainian battalion at the Andreyevka bridgehead was successfully minimized. In the area of the Andreyevka-Sukhoi Stavok "fire pocket", through which the enemy intended to attack Berislav, units of the 57th brigade and paratroopers of the 46th airmobile brigade were partially blocked.

    The destruction of a Ukrainian commando company and a Ukrainian landing force on the Kinburn Peninsula, sent to test the defense of the Russian Armed Forces on the southwestern flank of the Kherson fortified area, put an end to a diversionary attack, which was supposed to withdraw our forces and assets from the Andreyevka bridgehead sector. As a result, the artillery and anti-tank units of the paratroopers and the marine corps remain in their previous positions and beat with their fire the Ukrainian mechanized reserves that are approaching the Andreyevka bridgehead from the western coast of Ingulets. After all, the latter are waiting for a decrease in the river level and the current speed for a second attempt to cross the river and strengthen the offensive potential of the Andreyevka bridgehead.

    However, the Ukrainians continue to receive some reinforcements, mortars and Stugna-P anti-tank missiles. This transfer is carried out by occasional flights of Mi-8 military transport helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which arrive on the east bank of Ingulets taking advantage of the brief window of opportunity in which the combat patrols of the Russian Su-35 fighters are absent.

    Information about these windows is kindly provided to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the operators of the AWACS aircraft and the Rivet Joint radio reconnaissance aircraft of the US Air Force, which patrol daily in the northeastern part of the Romanian airspace.

    Meanwhile, Kiev's attempt to regulate the water level in the river did not lead to anything - the third attack on the water infrastructure in Krivoy Rog raised the level of Ingulets by almost 1 m in just three hours.

    Accordingly, the possibility of transferring large volumes of Ukrainian armored vehicles to the eastern shore of Ingulets is excluded in the foreseeable future.

    Ukrainian units from Novopoltavka, 10 km to the southwest, were supposed to reinforce the encircled units on SukhoiStavka, but elite units, including two battalions of the 35th Ukrainian Marine Brigade, are about to be cut off due to the rising river.

    This channel also has reports on the repression in Kharkov and the fighting in Artemovsk that for their extension I do not reproduce here



    Summary of Cassad 19 September

    20:15 Moscow time on 09.19.2022

    (edited with additional notes from me in italics)

    1. Donetsk Sector North in the direction of Avdeyevka, no significant changes, ongoing positional struggles.

    2. Donetsk Sector West. In the Maryinka and Ugledar directions - without significant changes.

    In previous days the Donetsk Militia has entered Kurahovo and the enemy retains only the last houses in the west of the ruins of Marinka

    3. Salient from Donbass, in the direction of Artemovsk (Bakhmut), Wagner volunteers is storming Zaitsevo (control of the village has not yet been confirmed), as well as fortifications near the Artemovsk—Dzerzhinsk highway. There is also a breakthrough in the Artemovsk industrial zone.

    4. Street fighting continues in Soledar.
    Belogorovka (near the Artemovsk—Lisichansk highway) and Yakovlevka are in the hands of the enemy
    It is fought by Spornoye. Then it was reported that the Wagners have counterattacked and recovered the ruins of the village.

    The enemy entered Belogorovka (which is near Kremennaya, the attacks on which were repulsed).

    5. Yampol and Krasny Liman are in the hands of our troops.
    Enemy patrols infiltrate Stary Karavane, Shchurovo, Dibrovo and Yarovaya. Svyatogorsk is still in the gray zone. (no man's land)

    6. The enemy continues to attack on the Oskol front, pressing on Rubtsi and in the Kupyansk area. The Russian armed forces continue to defend the eastern part of the city.

    7. Positional battles and shelling continue on the border of the Kharkov and Belgorod regions. There is no significant progress here. It is quite obvious that the intensity of attacks in the border areas can be reduced only by returning the northern part of the Kharkov region under control.

    8. In the Nikolayev and Krivoy Rog directions without significant changes. Positional battles are still ongoing in the Posad-Pokrovsky area and the Andreyevka bridgehead on the Ingulets River.

    Kherson Front, Battle of the Ingulets River - latest reports

    Kherson's address: "The enemy was driven out 2 km from the Davydov ford. They burned 4 tanks, 3 batteries and 2 pickup trucks. The enemy has suffered heavy losses of personnel.

    Our artillery cannons intensively: we fire 400 shells a day, we destroy the fringes of the forest so that they cannot hide. We receive deliveries with a lot of ammunition, aviation is very active, and new drones are also attacking. The air defense system is also working, 6 missiles were shot down today.

    In addition, our infantry arrived. The mood is excellent, everyone in the East, do not be discouraged! The victory will be ours in any case!»

    Timofey Ermakov

    https://t.me/nm_dnr/9047

    (photos in the link)

    The armed forces of Ukraine continue unsuccessful attempts to advance in the direction of Kherson. In the area of the village of Ternovye Pody of the Nikolaev region, the enemy launched significant forces to attack the positions of the Allied forces.

    The fighters of the Russian army and the units of the Donetsk Militia mobile reserve, with the support of tanks and artillery, destroyed one BMP armored car of the enemy and a large number of enemy soldiers, another BMP, suffered minor damage and was captured by our fighters as a trophy.

    The officer and the doctor of the 24 brigade were captured by the decisive actions of the DPR military. In captivity they received medical care. As it became known from the interrogation of the prisoners and the examination of their documents, the sergeant major of the armed forces of Ukraine, Sova Mikhail Ivanovich, born in 1974, was declared fit for military service and called up for mobilization on February 25, despite being mutilated by missing two fingers on his right hand.

    War crimes of Ukraine

    About the shelling of Donetsk,

    https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/6279



    Igor Strelkov
    Today, the gunners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (and any soldier and, especially, the officers of this mercenary native army of the United States) can be proud: it has been a long time since they managed to attack the civilian population of Donetsk so successfully. If on Sunday they managed to kill only 9 Donetsk civilians with several hits and injure 13 more, today, with a single 155-mm shell (kindly supplied by NATO), 13 people were killed (and many more were seriously injured).
    The coup was precisely on a strategic military object - the jam shop on Baku Commissars Square 26. Blood flows in rivulets on the asphalt, body parts are scattered for tens of meters. What else could be more pleasant for the "envious of Ukraine" than a mass murder of Russian residents of Donetsk? Congratulations to them (and their American hosts) on this outstanding military success! And, of course, I also congratulate you on the fact that this is never a "red line": for 8 and a half years, it has been empirically established that it has no place in the Donbass (and recently it turned out that even Belgorod is far from it).

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    Post  kvs Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:47 am

    NATzO deciders drink their own koolaid.   This is clear from the utter failure to properly assess Russia's exposure to sanctions.
    They swallowed their own lie that Russia is an oil and gas banana republic.   So all the yammering about Russia running out of
    missiles and shells must be believed by these criminal clowns and they are preparing some sort of attack on Russia assuming
    that Russia is over-extended in Ukraine and about to fail.   This insane move is driven by the rapidly deteriorating economic
    situation in NATzO (including in North America) and the massive hit to NATzO's reputation for invincibility as 85% of the planet
    does not join their anti-Russian crusade.   These own-koolaid drinkers are not thinking through the consequences of their
    action and are assuming that they will get what they want with just enough push.

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    Post  zorobabel Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:50 am

    Krasny Liman being assaulted from two sides, according to War Gonzo. Losses among the ranks of the defenders. Hopefully they can hang on.
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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:11 am

    LNR troops clearly need help. Their fighting prowess were always weaker than DNR troops. They've lost ground around Seversk and on right side of Severskiy Donets and now Liman is in danger. This is why some Wagner detachments were transferred around Spornoe.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:21 am

    mnztr wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    Who says it will happen soon? Russia has all the time in the world, the West and 404 don't. Now go organize your own general staff at home and show the world how much better than the Russian one you are.

    Its an illusion to think time is on your side in any war. You have no control as to what the other side is up to or what weapons NATO is providing them. Also, your political support from citizens and allies wears down as time goes on and the bodies keep piling up. Lets face it, even people that feel Russia is justified feel sad for the Ukrainians being forced to go to the front to get torn to pieces. its sad and ugly. What if Ukraine with the help of the USA develops longer range cruise missiles and starts hitting cities in Russia. Its really not that hard. A Turkish drone can go 4000 km, what the Ukrainians modify it and send it on autonomous bombing missions in Russia? Yeah pinpricks I know, but politically?

    Then if they do do that, then it opens itself up to moving from the SMO to full on war.

    Ukraine believes they are in a full scale war already.

    And?

    Russia doesn't currently. No one gives a shit what Ukraine feels, well, maybe besides yourself.

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    Post  Erk Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:29 am

    mnztr wrote:

    Ukraine believes they are in a full scale war already.

    Of course Ukraine does, they have mobilized everything but the kitchen sink.
    Ukraine has a tiny MIC, that's why they have to beg for equipment handouts from the West, instead of making their own like Russia does.
    If Russia went to full scale war, it would be lights out for Ukraine, Kiev infrastructure would be trashed, and Zelensky would be toast.
    The SMO status is preventing that occurring, for complex political and legal reasons.


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    Post  Backman Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:31 am

    According to the order of battle Wikipedia page,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Initial_groupings:_February_2022 if you add up all the BTGs from the order of battle, you get between 39,000 to 52,000 troops. dunno
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    Post  franco Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:19 am

    Backman wrote:According to the order of battle Wikipedia page,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Initial_groupings:_February_2022 if you add up all the BTGs from the order of battle, you get between 39,000 to 52,000 troops. dunno

    How do you figure the number of troops out of curiosity?
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    Post  dionis Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:23 am

    franco wrote:
    Backman wrote:According to the order of battle Wikipedia page,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Initial_groupings:_February_2022 if you add up all the BTGs from the order of battle, you get between 39,000 to 52,000 troops. dunno
    How do you figure the number of troops out of curiosity?

    800 troops per BTG... I think per Western sources.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:32 am

    Backman wrote:According to the order of battle Wikipedia page,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Initial_groupings:_February_2022 if you add up all the BTGs from the order of battle, you get between 39,000 to 52,000 troops. dunno

    Wikipedia?  Suspect  /facepalm

    You might as well just read BBC and CNN, or the US Dept of State.  Heck, you might as well believe anything the Ukropi regime says...

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:37 am

    zorobabel wrote:Krasny Liman being assaulted from two sides, according to War Gonzo. Losses among the ranks of the defenders. Hopefully they can hang on.

    So it seems, but the fanboys will defend this until the end,

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    Post  mnztr Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:45 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    Who says it will happen soon? Russia has all the time in the world, the West and 404 don't. Now go organize your own general staff at home and show the world how much better than the Russian one you are.

    Its an illusion to think time is on your side in any war. You have no control as to what the other side is up to or what weapons NATO is providing them. Also, your political support from citizens and allies wears down as time goes on and the bodies keep piling up. Lets face it, even people that feel Russia is justified feel sad for the Ukrainians being forced to go to the front to get torn to pieces. its sad and ugly. What if Ukraine with the help of the USA develops longer range cruise missiles and starts hitting cities in Russia. Its really not that hard. A Turkish drone can go 4000 km, what the Ukrainians modify it and send it on autonomous bombing missions in Russia? Yeah pinpricks I know, but politically?

    Then if they do do that, then it opens itself up to moving from the SMO to full on war.

    Ukraine believes they are in a full scale war already.

    And?

    Russia doesn't currently.  No one gives a shit what Ukraine feels, well, maybe besides yourself.

    Ukraine does not matter, this war barely involves them other then their role is to do the fighting and dying and provide the battlefield. Russia is smoking some fine stuff. The entire western world has pretty much conducted acts of war against it. Its not TOTAL war. But war it is.


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    Heard Zelensky and his general are Jewish, Zelensky wants a 2nd israel so no idea why Putin would opposte him and most of Bidens cabinet is Jewish lets say worse case scenario that Russia lets Ukraine win. Would this entire board be pro-chinese instead since the Chinese dont have jews in goverment positions?
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    Post  zorobabel Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:04 am

    Belogorovka is under Ukrainian control: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/9185

    This means the Luhansk People's Republic is no longer fully liberated.
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    Post  TMA1 Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:08 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:Krasny Liman being assaulted from two sides, according to War Gonzo. Losses among the ranks of the defenders. Hopefully they can hang on.

    So it seems, but the fanboys will defend this until the end,

    Ahh yes lets go to a Russian defense forum and get mad at Russian military fans. Ffs I live in America and am inundated by msm that is 99.8 percent pure propaganda for neocons/neolibs. I hear no nuance. I search out for alternative voices to piece stuff together. Those here supporting Russia have reason to be fanbois as they reject globohomo. What's your excuse for supporting globohomo? Seems you cling onto this place and vent your frustration at everyone not consistently against Putin and Russia in some way. I mean that's fine and all but you could drop the pretenses like vann7 has.

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    Post  TMA1 Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:12 am

    zorobabel wrote:Belogorovka is under Ukrainian control: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/9185

    This means the Luhansk People's Republic is no longer fully liberated.

    Indeed things are fluid and Russia has to whack-a-mole the Ukrainian attacks via help to LPR fighters.

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