Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27

flamming_python wrote:It reminds me actually of what I heard 2 weeks ago, but that I didn't republish here

Namely that the French, German and Polish armies have now crossed into the Ukraine

However if that is the case, then just volunteers and some equipment so far, rather than full-scale formations.

German batch

thegopnik wrote:

According to some dudes on Shitter Russia tested some satellite jammers, that´s why Starlink was down.

Also, Shahed price, I've seen quoted at $20k.

20K for a lawnmower with wings? 

I hope for that price Russia gets an base at the Persian Gulf on top.

UkroNazi tanks after a short meeting with some Chechens. The beard is stronger then steel! 

Elon took a risk in saying that people in the east and south of Ukraine should have a say in whether they want to be be part of Ukraine or Russia (and also mentioned guaranteeing water supply to Crimea!). This isn't some random rich dope, but the richest man in the world with tens of billions of dollars of contracts from NASA, the US Space Force, etc. He has a tendency to say what he wants because the US cannot send astronauts into space without him, and the military cannot send into geosynchronous orbit large satellites without him.

You might not appreciate it for what it is, but it's a huge shift of the barometer in American public discourse.

He has now normalized the position. It was previously held by perhaps 10% of the population, the fringe 'right wing', pro-Putin element, as the US media refers to them.

diabetus wrote:

dionis wrote:https://t.me/Slavyangrad/12522

T-14 Armata at a Tatarstan training ground...

T-14 probably needs a significant redesign now based on experience from the SMO.

They have every kind of NATO atgm they could dream of in hand to test against the active and passive protection systems. Developing and deploying that on armor should be priority #1 and should be done ASAP.

Hole wrote:

Also, Shahed price, I've seen quoted at $20k.

20K for a lawnmower with wings? 

I hope for that price Russia gets an base at the Persian Gulf on top.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.made-in-china.com/amp/product/Limbach-L550e-Uav-Engine-775866695.html

The chinese copy of the Limbach L550 engine cost nearly 20k.

The price should fall in the 25k.

Russian MoD dropping pearls:

https://t.me/Ministerstvo_oborony/26423

The Russian Defense Ministry commented on initiatives in certain Russian regions to cancel New Year's holiday events in order to channel the savings in support of "mobilized citizens".

Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation - Head of the Main Military-Political Directorate of the RF Armed Forces, Colonel-General Viktor Goremykin:

“We are certainly grateful for the active support provided today in all regions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and partial mobilization.

At the same time, I want to emphasize that there is no need to cancel New Year's festive events in the Russian regions in order to use the saved funds to provide for our military personnel, including those called up during partial mobilization.

The Armed Forces today have all the necessary equipment to provide all units and each serviceman in full, both in the areas of the Special Military Operation and in the places of training of mobilized citizens.

Therefore, I consider initiatives in certain regions to cancel New Year's holiday events for children under the pretext of supporting the Armed Forces to be premature and unnecessary.

[quote="franco"]

caveat emptor wrote:

famschopman wrote:

The original source for "famschopman" prices was Forbes Ukraine

You are right actually. I just did a very basic google search on 'cost of kalibr' without actually checking the underlying source.

"Forbes estimates the cost of missiles fired on Kyiv on June 26 at $50-80 million. The media used the following estimates to calculate the cost of these missiles: a X-101 missile costs $13 million, a Kalibr missile costs $6.5 million, an Iskander missile costs $3 million, an Oniks missile costs $1.25 million, an X- 22 missile costs $1 million, and a Tochka-U missile costs $0.3 million."

DIONIS, I didn't mean to offend you about your T-14 post. Don't be angry, sometimes passions are stirred up. All the best.


MORE NEWS....


October 7, 21:28,
updated October 7, 22:26
Military operation in Ukraine

Kadyrov said that another 70 thousand fighters from Chechnya are ready to join the SMO

“In the course of our speeches [during the solemn assembly of the security forces of the Chechen Republic in Grozny], we resolutely rejected European anti-religious and misanthropic values ​​and declared our readiness to beat Satanists and their minions anywhere in the world. Ten thousand Chechen fighters are already involved in this noble cause. If necessary, seventy thousand more are ready to join them," Kadyrov wrote on his Telegram channel.

He noted that theologians, well-known Chechen elders, widows and mothers of law enforcement officers, as well as female servicemen, also expressed their support for the President of the Russian Federation during the construction.

"This is the consolidation of society that our first president, Hero of Russia Akhmat-Khadji Kadyrov, dreamed of and that the state needs. Unity, spirituality and obedience to Almighty Allah are the values ​​for which our ancestors died, and each of us is ready to repeat them an unforgettable feat," Kadyrov wrote.

The head of the region also told journalists of the Rossiya-1 TV channel that a large number of volunteers from the regions of the Russian Federation are showing a desire to participate in the SVO together with fighters from the republic. "A lot of volunteers come to us, I'm not talking about Chechens who are ready to go to the front line in thousands, tens of thousands, and fight for our state, to carry out the orders of the supreme commander. I am glad and pleasantly surprised that so many volunteers come to us from all over Russia, they want to serve with us, fight together, defending the interests of our state," the head of Chechnya said.

Earlier, Kadyrov said that approximately 10,000 fighters from Chechnya were participating in a special military operation.

General Sergey Surovikin was appointed as the commander of the special military operation!
otherwise, he showed his knowledge and geostrategic skill in Syria, where during his command of the Russian group, the SAA liberated the highest territories

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1578501404523569152/photo/1

New SMO commander, new Eastern Military District commander, new Western Military District commander and new MTO (logistics) commander

Time to rumble...

ALAMO wrote:


There is no worse enemy of Poland than the Poles.

Bismarck knew that, and every-fuckin-body knows.

Only not Poles.

Having such an "ambassador" a nation needs no enemies.

Holly cow

Reminds me of an old polish saying about the polish.

A pole that has not made your life worse already helped you.

Poles treat each other like scum and try to "fit in" in western societies. They have a very paradox mindset.
They know they are not liked, but they want to be part of the club.
They quite often use and abuse other poles for own benefit, but still enjoy each other's company just to talk shit behind each others backs.

This is obviously a generalization, but you can observe it so often that it can be generalized.

Podlodka77 wrote:DIONIS, I didn't mean to offend you about your T-14 post. Don't be angry, sometimes passions are stirred up. All the best.

No problem.. just pointed out the other guy said it needed the "redesign" .. not me.

Enjoy your Friday/Saturday...

dionis wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:Thanks, italian friend Franco of all other tanks.

DIONIS writes that a "redesign" is needed for the T-14
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Edit. Wrong poster

franco wrote:General Sergey Surovikin was appointed as the commander of the special military operation!
otherwise, he showed his knowledge and geostrategic skill in Syria, where during his command of the Russian group, the SAA liberated the highest territories

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1578501404523569152/photo/1

New SMO commander, new Eastern Military District commander, new Western Military District commander and new MTO (logistics) commander

Time to rumble...

Let's go..... As the gen Z kids say.

I wonder if this is an admission that there has been serious problems or if they just want to start fresh and start again. Maybe a bit of both.

The MOD is saying they have enough money and material already. Well it's "show me" time.

РИА НОВОСТИ

Lukashenko will give Putin a tractor






MINSK, October 7 - RIA Novosti. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko prepared a BELARUS tractor as a gift for the anniversary of Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

"Tractor! The one I use. BELARUS is the best, hand-built," the head of state said, answering a question about the gift to his colleague.
He also added that he would offer the President of Russia a seeder attachment. "We will sow bread. Maybe something else - it is universal. We will grow and - (to the President of Poland Andrzej. - Approx. ed.) Dude, (Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz. - Approx. ed.) Morawiecki, Europe. So that they do not starve, so that they don’t steal bread in Ukraine, but bring it to poor countries,” Lukashenka joked.

A quick search taught me that a KH-101 missiles costs 13Mio and a 3M-54 Kalibr requires 6Mio (interestingly both are significantly pricier than a tomahawk).

And how would anyone know what the Russian military pays for missiles... especially the former that are not exported to anyone?

If a single Kh-101 cost 13 million US dollars they would not have any... they have fired thousands in the course of this conflict and in Syria... and these are not strategic Kh-102s they would be using in WWIII, these are conventionally armed missiles... was their last defence budget three quarters of a trillion dollars... or was it the usual 65 billion... the same as it has been for quite a number of years?

The most powerful country on the planet always on the brink of collapse... it is vastly closer to being one rather than the other and not in the direction the west hopes it is.

Russian weapons more expensive than US weapons... sounds like time for the US MIC to push up its prices I would say... perhaps they had an influence on the guesses...

With a maximum cost of 50k for a Shahed 136 you could send 120 of them for the price of 1 Kalibr. Actually, 120 of those things simultaneously in the air buzzing towards Kiev is most probably a significantly scarier event than seeing one Kalibr in the air.

We don't know what sort of support these drones require, and they should be much easier to shoot down than a Calibr... SA-13 and SA-8 would be very good at shooting down such drones, as would BUK though that is a bit of a waste.

These cheap drones are game changers.

I would agree they are game changers for poor weak countries for use against countries with basic or non existent air defence systems... but they don't last long against Russian forces which leads to the Orcs shooting at fixed locations with their artillery because they can't find actual targets in real time because their drones keep getting shot down.

It is interesting that the idiotic ORYX lists over 400 "captured" Russian tanks, so they also attach pictures. I think that those pictures are cannibalized and that often the same tank is photographed several times. How is it possible that we almost never see those tanks in action ? And according to their list, it turns out that the Russians lost 5 times as many tanks.

They are a branch of western propaganda... they are not interested in the truth, their job is to distort the truth for their own agenda.

Here is the link. Rob Lee spreading fake news as usual. Just in 2019 itself India renewed the licence to build more T-90S in India.

Ironically he is almost right... he speculates Russia is sending more T-90s because it has suffered heavy losses, but it is sending T-90s to cause heavy losses to the Orcs....

Where did you get these prices from? ebay? If the corrupt american MIC can produce a Tomahawk for roughly 2 million then the russian MIC can produce the Kaliber for much, much less.

Yes, the Kh-102 would be more expensive because of its nuclear warhead, but the Kh-101 are intended for use so they would never accept a missile that was that expensive into service... they simply could not afford it.

Seems that the best days of Jihad Julian are already gone

You are either a 100% blind fanatic or you can't be on our team seems to be the message from team Kiev... sounds like a great opportunity to be less biased and more realistic I would expect...

T-14 probably needs a significant redesign now based on experience from the SMO.

The T-14 is the only significant redesign of your average tank seen in decades, more likely they might add some tweeks rather than significant redesign... remember it is supposed to have its own built in drone operating on a tether that supplies power to the drone for flight and also use of thermal optics and radar... getting a gods eye view above your tank perhaps up to 100 or 200m high would be very useful for having a look around your position and sharing that info with other vehicles in your unit.

No tank is invincible if they had all T-14s there would still be loses from enemy action as well as breakdowns and other issues.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces General Staff reports that Russian forces are gradually encircling Artemisk. In the evening report, for the first time, information about an offensive in the Krasnaya Gora area appeared

So the big Orc push that was going to take everything back including the Crimea has stopped after a couple of weeks and is now being pushed back before reinforcements have been sent?

So they wont be on the gates of Moscow by Christmas and Putin does not need to go so his replacement can discuss surrender terms with Zelensky?

heard they will get interviewed tommorow or more news about them.

Every phone and camera the Russians capture will be gone over with a fine tooth comb because of the intel that would be on them... photos and videos of enemy forces, records of communication, phone numbers for commanders etc etc.

German batch

Also not using AKs any more...

20K for a lawnmower with wings? scratch

I hope for that price Russia gets an base at the Persian Gulf on top.

Long range datalinks and decent inertial navigation systems are not cheap...

I doubt it would cost Iran or Russia that much to build them for themselves as long as they are providing all the components... any foreign parts will massively hike up the price for dodging sanctions so to speak.

They have every kind of NATO atgm they could dream of in hand to test against the active and passive protection systems. Developing and deploying that on armor should be priority #1 and should be done ASAP.

Tests in the field should only be done after tests on a testing range have been completed... they should have plenty of NLAWS and Javelins and other weapons to test against their T-14s to see how it performs before sending it into combat.

Testing things in combat needs to be cautious and limited in scope... then if it appears to be the best option available then start increasing use and deployment... much like the testing of the Su-25 revealed it was much better than other types used as an example... and in this conflict I would say the LMUR and the Kh-69 seem to have been excellent too.

"They" are trying to lecture the sane part of humankind, about what is appropriate and inappropriate.

It is amusing how intolerant they are to people who don't hold the same values and beliefs... it is not like Putin banned homosexuality, he just does not want to celebrated and promoted to children.

The irony is how quickly the rainbow community will exclude people from society... demand they lose their jobs... for things that shouldn't matter to anyone else...

The chinese copy of the Limbach L550 engine cost nearly 20k.

That is ridiculous... are they hand assembling them from hand made parts?

You are right actually. I just did a very basic google search on 'cost of kalibr' without actually checking the underlying source.

Forbes is wrong. And they don't care because they are interested in pushing an agenda rather than informing their readers of the truth.

It matches the narrative that Russia is going to collapse economically because of this conflict and they can't afford to make the number of missiles they will need...

Backman wrote:Welcome to my ignore list.

Actually all Dionis posted was this:

dionis wrote:https://t.me/Slavyangrad/12522

T-14 Armata at a Tatarstan training ground...

To which Diabetus replied like this:

diabetus wrote:

dionis wrote:https://t.me/Slavyangrad/12522

T-14 Armata at a Tatarstan training ground...

T-14 probably needs a significant redesign now based on experience from the SMO.

I think the idea the T-14 would need significant redesign is very very unlikely, but they might tweek some features and capabilities in light of their new experiences in the field.

Going to trim the excess posts to the TB thread now so this thread should get shorter... and post numbers will likely change.