Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29

GarryB wrote:It means the power of a nuke to do physical damage does not go up at the same rate as the HE equivalent.

A 10 megaton bomb is a very powerful weapon but to destroy an area target like London actually using 10 bombs with perhaps 100 kilo tons of power would be more effective if they are spread out.

Compared with the more powerful device the 10 MT bomb will not kill people more than a 100 KT bomb within 500m... both will be vapourised.

Having 10 x 100KT bombs spread out over an area will distribute the power more efficiently and would kill more people in a large open largely flat city like London... in the same way the huge masses of troops in an open field can be rather more efficiently dealt with using 250kg cluster bombs than with 1,000kg HE bombs despite being a quarter of the weight.

That's true. Western fear mongering aside Tactical nukes won't do the kind of damage the west thinks they can. From Colin Powell's memoirs.



A similar assessment of India-Pakistan scenarios: a five kiloton Pakistani tactical nuclear weapon would destroy just 13 Indian tanks if they were dispersed.



https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/journals/is/v39i3/f_0033662_27439.pdf

Sujoy wrote:

GarryB wrote:It means the power of a nuke to do physical damage does not go up at the same rate as the HE equivalent.

A 10 megaton bomb is a very powerful weapon but to destroy an area target like London actually using 10 bombs with perhaps 100 kilo tons of power would be more effective if they are spread out.

Compared with the more powerful device the 10 MT bomb will not kill people more than a 100 KT bomb within 500m... both will be vapourised.

Having 10 x 100KT bombs spread out over an area will distribute the power more efficiently and would kill more people in a large open largely flat city like London... in the same way the huge masses of troops in an open field can be rather more efficiently dealt with using 250kg cluster bombs than with 1,000kg HE bombs despite being a quarter of the weight.

That's true. Western fear mongering aside Tactical nukes won't do the kind of damage the west thinks they can. From Colin Powell's memoirs.



A similar assessment of India-Pakistan scenarios: a five kiloton Pakistani tactical nuclear weapon would destroy just 13 Indian tanks if they were dispersed.



https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/journals/is/v39i3/f_0033662_27439.pdf

Nothing surprising. Dammage area is 1 or 2 km against tanks since they have NBC protection. The area would increase against infantry who would be also affected by the blast and radiations.

Tanks still need to be very close to the explosion.

Tactical nuks are good agaibst full ebemy bases where they can take out plenty of forces at once. But once the war start you just spead your forces.

Another good target is air bases. Specially those where there are plenty of cargo, awacs, and command staff.

Isos wrote:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1580497875926016000

That approaching quadrocopter looks like the one the Chechens found a few days ago. While in the video it looks like it was that same one which lost control. The filming drone remained stable.

So possibly, Russia 1 : Ukraine 0?

* 14:21 Attempt to attack by  the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson region. What is known

Since the evening of October 14, the Ukrainian army has been trying to break through the positions of the Russian Armed Forces from the area of     Davydov Brod, Kostromka and Dudchan in the Kherson region. After a nighttime artillery strike, the Armed Forces of Ukraine went on the attack early in the morning on October 15, but were driven back.

The 140th Regiment of Special Operations of Ukraine suffered heavy losses when trying to reconnoiter the positions of the RF Armed Forces. Also, three motorized rifle brigades, reinforced by a tank battalion, were sent to break through by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The infantry and tanks of Ukraine tried to attack under the fire of the Hyacinth-B guns and the Smerch MLRS. At the same time, the air defense positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of   ZelenyGay, Novogrednevo and Murakhovka were hit by Geran-2 and Lancet drones in the morning.

The attack cost the Ukrainian army at least 120 people killed. Approximately 15 YPR-765PRI and BMP-2 armored vehicles were destroyed, as well as at least four T-64BV tanks.

By the middle of the day on October 15, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine got bogged down in the attack and are trying to retreat to their original positions, on which the Su-25 and Su-34 (The Russians are lying, ask ISOS) attack aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces began to work.


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ucmvulcan wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Tolstoy wrote:Why are some forum members advocating the use of nuclear weapons by Kremlin?

Get this - explosive power of nuclear weapons does not increase at the same rate as the damage it does.

Because some members here are really, really dumb.

Russia wont use nukes unless they are invaded by a much larger enemy.

And there are some here who think the war is going badly because Putin won't storm into Ukraine and take over the whole country, a measure that would cost a lot of lives. They also think Putin is somehow calling off airstrikes or won't use that 300,000 to obtain objectives he has from this war.  But look at that Kiev is getting kalibrated again tonight.  What is it, a good 5 days so far? Also, while those troops in Belarus and the south might be there for "defense" I tend to believe that like in American gridiron football that the Kremlin is thinking the best defense is a good offensive.

There will be an offensive, but only once Ukrainian reserves are sufficiently depleted

What I thought 1.5 months ago, but didn't want to write publicly, is that Russia will continue to deplete Ukrainian numbers by encouraging them to go on the offensive.
But not only that - that then once their new NATO trained forces and mercs are expended, Russia will advance on Kiev again which will force the Ukrainians to decide whether to urgently send what men they have ready to defend it, or keep manning the defensive lines in the Donbass, Kharkov and Kherson regions.
They won't be able to manage both, and either Kiev will fall or the way will be open for a painless advance from the south all along the line for Russia

General Shamanov did something similar in the 2nd Chechen war when he advanced his troops in such a way as to divide Chechnya in half; and it forced the rebels in one half to decide whether they wanted to keep manning their defenses and end up getting surrounded, or abandon their positions to regroup with other forces.

Well now that there is speculation of an advance on Kiev again indeed, and Russia deploying troops to Belarus - I guess expressing my version here cannot possibly do any harm.

GarryB wrote:

You said a lot of things months ago and months ago you would have been wrong... there was no reason to change tactics months ago except your butt hurt about this taking too long.

You are ignoring the political aspect that this has to be drawn out for it to damage the EU and her ties with the US... the EU has to freeze this winter and know the US has no solutions for next winter which will just make it worse... their only solution will be to fix those pipes the Americans destroyed and there will be no hurry to do that.

The EU wants to isolate itself from Russia then Russia can oblige.

The political and economic damage will be done anyway, the EU is done without gas, and going slow in Ukraine has no relationship with gas supplies - It is only Putin offering to keep supplying Europe with gas

And you don't understand that Russia is not the west and is not going in guns blazing like the US or France or the UK does and the rest of the world is noticing and that is important because Russia needs to trade with the rest of the world to grow and develop now.

If they even heard your advice and went in there like idiots shooting everything that moved the rest of the world would look and say... well they talk different to the west and say the right things like the west does when it wants something but when they act they act the same way the west does so don't trust them either.

Putin has made hard decisions including starting this conflict only after all other options were exhausted and they were given no choice.

This war was always going to happen and if Putin didn't attack the Ukraine the Ukraine would have attacked the Donbass and Lugansk and then the Crimea... and who knows what dirty shots they could have gotten in before Russia got prepared and got in to the fight.

Putin is doing everything right so far and because of that Russian casualties are very low... far lower than the west is prepared to admit because they are scared.... the Ukraine was better armed than most HATO countries, especially in terms of armour and air defence capacity and it has meant very little against the Russians.

Even super weapons like Javelin and NLAW and Stinger that are all game changers because the Russian army can't function without ground and air vehicles.

Turns out they are not so great.

What other countries think, has nothing to do with Russian Security priorities, if China or India wish to believe lies from west its their issue - have they stopped trading with the west ? No, and Modi and certain Chinese keep saying that there should be peace ...makes me think they just want to benefit from this situation by increasing their trade standing with Russia, as well as using the west.

Yes putin made a hard choice, and so did the thousands of Russians in Donbass , and so did Dugina, and so did murdered pro Russians

So I don't feel sorry for Putin at all, not when it's not his life on the line and there really isn't any reason to finish off Ukraine

As for doing everything right, I think there would be low casualties if they just started to hit Ukrainian infrastructure and crippled their ability to fight back

After all, doesn't he say himself he has no plan to take more land? So what difference does it make ?

Which they haven't done so you are wrong. They have damaged their electrical system to the point where they can't send electricity to the west, but the lights are still working in lots of places.

Monday started off great, then he came out and said there was no need for massive strikes

What is it then?

Your ego is astounding... they never heard your advice...

I have already stated how this ends, that the leaders don't want to understand it, and would let this drag on until more Russians die, or until other infrastructure is hit, or until Kiev regime hits Russian people with a bio weapon, is evidence of the ineptitude of the leadership cadre

The west are stupid... doesn't mean you have to be. Putin will always hold talks, but his past experience with the Minsk agreements means he knows their value is not practical... it is political.

When punishing a child if you go full retard and appear to be enjoying yourself the child will just learn to hate you for the sadistic monster you are.

The goals of the recent Russian attacks probably included reducing their electricity generation capacity so they cut off the EU countries they were supplying, but the message was... you attack our bridge or engage in other terrorist activities and we can raise the level of suffering you are currently feeling to make you think it is not worth it to skite about a damaged bridge for a day.

Hold talks for what ? Again - examine this war, and why it is happening... it started with Putins offer for talks ... to which the west flew 10+ cargo loads of weapons to the nazi regime

No talks

There is no peace party, there are humans and there are stalins... you might say stalin got things done, but Putin has done more in the last 22 years to get Russia on its feet again, but without the terror or violence or the internment camps and other bullshit.

The UAC is not a prison labour camp for aircraft design bureaus.

The funny thing is that being human is the last thing the west expects and it confuses them and makes them think Putin is weak and on the brink of being kicked out...

Right now its not about strategic games , its about handling this threat on the border which is attacking and killing Russians -

Trust me , most Russians prefer a Stalin right about now, its not comfortable being in mobilization mode and knowing a car, bridge or building could blow up with your friends, Parents, Siblings, and loved ones inside

So level Ukraine and end this now

Wonder if those 7 targets not hit would effectively equate to a decapitation strike???

I think that is the suggestion here if Zelensky is smart enough to realise.

And they will provoke Russia to take those strikes, only the next provocation might not be one that Putin would survive

So why play these stupid games ? Or does he want to win a stupid prize?

Not the current occupants of the leadership... but remove the top ten rows and see what we get.

Starlink was their C4IR... without it they will be rather easier to destroy and rather less able to mount counter attacks.

So get on with it then, me personally i dont believe starlink made such a difference anyway, in fact none of the western weapons did, most of the Kiev successes were done by IED

Putin knows it is rabid anti Russian people in power in the EU... there is no more point in discussing cooperation with them as with Zelensky or Poroshenko, but the people on the streets of the EU who see the tsunami coming and know their leaders are just turning their backs to the water because the US said it would be fine... and just before the tsunami hits the Americans hand you an umbrella and run.

Gas sales to the EU are going to be seriously limited from Russia and I suspect in the middle of winter will be cut completely because of any number of reasons... fear of  terror attack would be a good one now.

So cut them off the gas, and leave them in time out, but Putin is offering them more gas... so which is it?

is there no point in discussing things with them, or is he just not making sense ?

November elections and then Trump....

No point in talking to Biden... he was a major driving force of this entire situation... as shown by a key role played by his son in this... the gas company he was a CEO of funded those Bio Weapons labs...

I won't hold my breath, it's better better resolve things ourselves than to place our destiny in the hands of... that guy

Biden has already said he wont talk to Putin at the G20 unless it is about that American basketball player in jail... any agreement is not going to happen on anything to do with this conflict.

Okay so why is the statesman offering more negotiations ?

Winter isn't over yet.

What does it have to do with Ukraine ? This could be over now, stop hyping NATO and Ukraine -

I don't think HATO will be given any say in the matter.

Then get on with it - this should be over with, Ukrainians are evil and have no intention to make a deal with Russia or to welcome us,

its force that will resolve things and that is all

You sicken me... Putin has dragged your country from the dark ages of the 1990s when the US ran rampant over your economy and government, to now... a point where you can stand on your own feet without the west at all and you hate the man who made this happen because you are a coward and believe he might now sell Russia out.

Honestly you don't deserve him you loser.

I can understand the west claiming Putin is guilty of the warcrimes Kiev is purpetrating because their end goal is to weaken and eventually break Russia... the fact that you are so dumb and blinded by your own ignorance and wish the same is very ironic.

Putin loves the west along with half of his security council, they want to be accepted at the table, he thinks they will eventually listen to his logic, and the truth is they consider him to be a joke

They must think he's stupid because even if they gave him a deal, they wouldn't give him what he wants

The scary thing is, he might take such a deal

Mobilised troops training. Around 220,000 have been mobilised and 16,000 are already fighting / active in the SMO.

https://twitter.com/Nikolai11449196/status/1581203089582800898

TASS


* The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost over 470 personnel per day
"In the area of ​​the settlement of Berestovoye, KharkOv region, up to 50 Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed by artillery fire <...>. In the area of ​​the settlement of Dvurechnoe, KharkOv region, the crossing of the company tactical group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the Oskol River was disrupted. As a result of the strike of army aviation and artillery, more than 30 Ukrainian servicemen were killed <... >", Konashenkov said.
According to him, up to 60 Ukrainian servicemen were killed in the Krasnolymansk direction. Also, according to updated data, more than 50 Ukrainian servicemen were killed as a result of strikes by the army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces, missile troops and artillery on the area of ​​​​the landing in the bay of the Kakhovka reservoir near the village of Osokorovka, Kherson region, the lieutenant general continued.
In addition, according to Konashenkov, as a result of a high-precision strike by the Russian Aerospace Forces on the point of temporary deployment of the second battalion of the 65th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the city of Zaporozhye, more than 160 Ukrainian servicemen who were stationed in three barracks were killed. "About 120 Ukrainian servicemen were killed in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction <...>," he added.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Sujoy wrote:

RTN wrote:They ain't a protected race in the States either. But they behave that way. Especially that one jew in this forum with multiple accounts...who forces his narrative on others using multiple handles compelling them to shut up.  

Being a Jew amounts to nothing unless he is White. Jews of colour get a raw deal in both Israel & US.

This week a Jewish boy from India was dragged out of a synagogue in Israel by white Jews and physically assaulted.

Thats a "natural" reaction from a people whose belief system tells them that they are the only true humans, created by a divine being to rule the world, while the rest of us are all "goyim" or animal spirits in human form, created to serve the jewish people (as it is unbecoming for Gods chosen to be served by animals).  Believers insist that to be a jew you need to be born of a jewish woman.  A jew cannot be born from the unclean body of a female goy (ie an animal).

Jews treat the captive Palestinian population with umost disdain for this reason.  They are animals. They have been defeated. Now they must meekly serve their Masters.

The mega-wealthy jewish elites in the US and Europe believe the same of us. They dominate the current Whitehouse, the entire US polity (both sides), finance, media, entertainment etc etc. They are the heart and soul of the neocon faction, and increasingly of the neolibs and woke progressives.  Look at the behaviour of the jewish controlled and dominated MSM, and how they are universally hostile to whites in general and any who refuse to buy into woke orthodoxies. So many examples abound of jewish antipathy towards the gentile majority, I won't even bother to say more.

Not all jews are fundamentalists or orthodox crazies, but most buy into the sense of superiority and manifest destiny, even if they will never openly admit it.  I'll freely admit to despising these people, but its not about their race but about their vile and exclusive CULTURE.  People who recognise the perfidious nature of jewish culture for what it is can be accused of "anti-semitism" or smeared as a "nazi", but the reality of these people and their deeply corrosive influence on Western societies cannot be ignored or downplayed.

Know whats going on....

In this forum, many do not understand the Jewish problem because they are dealing with the sensitive issue of Nazism.
The pathetic Nazi supremacism and its war against the Russian peoples is criticizable. Hitler never stopped thinking like a late 19th century German.
But another thing is the war against Judaism and its global networks of domination.
Hitler understood late that to confront Judaism an alliance of peoples is needed. In solitude it is not possible.
Nazism was right about the Jewish problem and not only the Nazis, the anti-Bolshevik Russians as well.

If we want a world in peace, we must destroy the cancer that dominates the West in the shadows, the Jew. It does not propose the physical elimination of that people, but rather that they renounce their spheres of influence and power in the countries.

Hole wrote:
The Union Army Group in Belarus will propably consist of 70.000 soldiers from Belarus + up to 50.000 from Russia, at least to some dudes on Twitter/Telegram

Problem is according to Twatter the Belorussian boys are banned from leaving the country!

Lancet takes out two S-300 launchers. Beautiful cook off.

Mir wrote:

Hole wrote:
The Union Army Group in Belarus will propably consist of 70.000 soldiers from Belarus + up to 50.000 from Russia, at least to some dudes on Twitter/Telegram

Problem is according to Twatter the Belorussian boys are banned from leaving the country!

So, Belarus is planning to increase its fighting force to 70,000 soldiers ?
Nice, there will be more yellow and blue mules killed.

Seems like Zelensky is continuing the genocide of Ukrainians. More than 1k casualties today, in a retarded offensive attempt on a place that doesn't want them there.