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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:10 am

    JohninMK wrote:Re the withdrawal of civilians from Kherson,  Mercuris in the video linked above took right unto 15 minutes of his time to discount the current propaganda campaign on the "looming fall of Kherson" to the Ukies.
    What had actually happened was that the Governor of the Kherson Oblast evidently has almost zero sense of public relations when he made reference to "evacuation" of Kherson City. In fact, he pointed out, that evacuation was being offered to those who feared ongoing missile strikes by the Ukies on their city in a mode similar to their long-term assaults on Donetsk City.
    So how many people took the Governor up on his kind offer to the fearful? Three-hundred and fifty souls, within a city of scores of thousands. Thus, the fearful would amount to far less than 1% of the total population.
    Not sure myself if it was actually the Governor.

    The guy - I mean the governor - is an old guy with a serious illness. I suppose that he is a kind of a scapegoat just located to fulfill the tasks & be a bumper.
    Mer of Cherson turned down the voice immediately, making a wider entry of what is all about the "evacuation".
    And again, there is nothing to discuss in real. Tens of thousands of refugees are located in the neighboring districts, even in Belarus. There seems to be some relocation program running or being readied, so people from destroyed regions can relocate to the desired part of the federation at the govt expense.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:14 am

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    Post  nomadski Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:18 am

    Well done , some said many lower yield atomic detonation is better than one large one . This is correct . That is why most  are now about 100 kiloton on MIRV warheads . The talk by Russia of danger of nuclear war ( showing a nuke Sunami against UK , on TV ) and other things , seem to be working slowly . The UK now plan nuclear weapon exercises soon . So they are starting to take problem seriously . This is wonderfully satisfying for me . Russia too , needs to do more . Underground nukes that cause Earthquakes in Europe or atmospheric or space tests will be very useful . Anything to heighten the alert level for the public , and put fear into their hearts . I heard women in the West ( strangely not men ) are starting to have nightmares about nuke war with Russia again , like the cold war era ! So it is starting to sink in !  Nuke weapons are stupid ? Their use is stupid ? Sure you are young and have children , and think they deserve to live ! But I hate the enemy , more than I love my children .
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:36 am

    its makes sense the mayor would offer those who fear strikes the ability to leave, that's a common sense and respectable measure.

    I wouldn't be worried about any Kherson offensive, The russians SHOULD be very well fortified there, the ukies would need to attack with over 100k men to make any real gains.

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    Post  Erk Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:42 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:its makes sense the mayor would offer those who fear strikes the ability to leave, that's a common sense and respectable measure.

    I wouldn't be worried about any Kherson offensive, The russians SHOULD be very well fortified there, the ukies would need to attack with over 100k men to make any real gains.

    I think they were worried about the dam being attacked and causing a flood.

    /EDIT Though, the Military Summary youtube channel thinks that Ukraine have a massive troop build up near Kherson.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:13 am

    I said this months ago

    You said a lot of things months ago and months ago you would have been wrong... there was no reason to change tactics months ago except your butt hurt about this taking too long.

    You are ignoring the political aspect that this has to be drawn out for it to damage the EU and her ties with the US... the EU has to freeze this winter and know the US has no solutions for next winter which will just make it worse... their only solution will be to fix those pipes the Americans destroyed and there will be no hurry to do that.

    The EU wants to isolate itself from Russia then Russia can oblige.

    But those here could not bear it unless it was spoonfed to them

    And yes lapin was removed along with rest of former staff

    Kadyrov would not receive a medal for it

    - and the peace party is well known to have sabotaged the SMO

    And you don't understand that Russia is not the west and is not going in guns blazing like the US or France or the UK does and the rest of the world is noticing and that is important because Russia needs to trade with the rest of the world to grow and develop now.

    If they even heard your advice and went in there like idiots shooting everything that moved the rest of the world would look and say... well they talk different to the west and say the right things like the west does when it wants something but when they act they act the same way the west does so don't trust them either.

    Putin has made hard decisions including starting this conflict only after all other options were exhausted and they were given no choice.

    This war was always going to happen and if Putin didn't attack the Ukraine the Ukraine would have attacked the Donbass and Lugansk and then the Crimea... and who knows what dirty shots they could have gotten in before Russia got prepared and got in to the fight.

    Putin is doing everything right so far and because of that Russian casualties are very low... far lower than the west is prepared to admit because they are scared.... the Ukraine was better armed than most HATO countries, especially in terms of armour and air defence capacity and it has meant very little against the Russians.

    Even super weapons like Javelin and NLAW and Stinger that are all game changers because the Russian army can't function without ground and air vehicles.

    Turns out they are not so great.

    Which is why I stated to level Ukrainian infrastructure

    Which they haven't done so you are wrong. They have damaged their electrical system to the point where they can't send electricity to the west, but the lights are still working in lots of places.

    Well they took my advice, but have again hoped for some negotiations...

    Your ego is astounding... they never heard your advice...

    The real question is how could Putin have been foolish enough to believe the reports from the peace party?

    The west are stupid... doesn't mean you have to be. Putin will always hold talks, but his past experience with the Minsk agreements means he knows their value is not practical... it is political.

    When punishing a child if you go full retard and appear to be enjoying yourself the child will just learn to hate you for the sadistic monster you are.

    The goals of the recent Russian attacks probably included reducing their electricity generation capacity so they cut off the EU countries they were supplying, but the message was... you attack our bridge or engage in other terrorist activities and we can raise the level of suffering you are currently feeling to make you think it is not worth it to skite about a damaged bridge for a day.

    So the fault lies with peace party who advocated for the brotherly people, including matvienko and FlamingPython himself if you recall wept and gnashed his teeth for the brothers

    There is no peace party, there are humans and there are stalins... you might say stalin got things done, but Putin has done more in the last 22 years to get Russia on its feet again, but without the terror or violence or the internment camps and other bullshit.

    The UAC is not a prison labour camp for aircraft design bureaus.

    The funny thing is that being human is the last thing the west expects and it confuses them and makes them think Putin is weak and on the brink of being kicked out...

    So that's the end of the bigger strikes for now.

    Wonder if those 7 targets not hit would effectively equate to a decapitation strike???

    I think that is the suggestion here if Zelensky is smart enough to realise.

    But as for the zombification, I'm sure even Putin and the other higher-ups knew about it.

    It is pretty obvious that Kiev has used the last 8 odd years to move their nazis into positions of power across the Ukraine they controlled and those nazis would promote like minded Aholes and remove opposition thinkers from any position of power in their region to consolidate their power... but assuming everyone is a nazi is short sighted... there would be rational people there who kept their tongue when the first people were removed or burned to death that might use their power to help a Russian force to liberate them.

    The only way you could find out numbers is to try and so they tried... imagine the bullshit if they went in guns blasing and took out all the leadership in every town and city only to be told after they could have just marched through without problems...

    People seem to think they went in with unloaded weapons and offered hugs and kisses to everyone they came across and only shot at people who shot at them.

    Well actually they shot at people with guns as well as people who were shooting at them... the alternative is to act like Blackwater and just shoot everyone... civilians children old men etc etc like the animals they are.

    But Putin as an ex-KGB man is simply not the type to fall out of rationality.

    The west is like the wild west in the US... shoot them in the back if you can... if they are in a bath or on the toilet if possible and then after they are dead you can tell the world how you fought for hours trading punch for punch and your skill is all that saved you.

    I think it is a good thing that Putin is not like that.

    Simply put, the Russian leadership knew the risks, and that Russian tanks won't be welcomed in the Ukraine - but the war became inevitable anyway and given the necessity of invasion; why not try to make deals swing cities over to your side (it did work in Kherson) since that is so.

    It was actually very successful in the far east against the Japanese forces in China and saved a lot of lives.

    Russia should launch a blitzkrieg in its counteroffensive, with the use of tactical nuclear weapons. It would be a total victory and the terror of the West.

    Decisions have to be made. There is no place for fearful.

    Win the war and lose the peace afterwards... very short sighted.

    Besides it is only western propaganda that even suggests Russia would need to use nukes to win this conflict.

    And then wonder why such dumb things happen like Ukro terrorism , when they are incentivized by a traitorous elite that sell out the national interests to retain their power

    Orc terrorism is a given... it is all they have left... and obviously a western specialty as they have been behind most terrorist attacks around the world for the last few centuries...

    Putin also stated that the mobilization was done to keep the current territories. So there will be no tactic change etc.

    But has also said the longer this conflict continues the worse the deal for Kiev...

    And does anyone really believe that Kiev or patrons will negotiate?

    Because some Elon shutoff starlink?

    Not the current occupants of the leadership... but remove the top ten rows and see what we get.

    Starlink was their C4IR... without it they will be rather easier to destroy and rather less able to mount counter attacks.

    wtf? It seems to me in Kremlin want to go back to the way things were, they just want their revenue from gas sales and carte Blanche to act in Eastern Europe as they see fit

    Only the west won't give it to them - why should they?

    Putin knows it is rabid anti Russian people in power in the EU... there is no more point in discussing cooperation with them as with Zelensky or Poroshenko, but the people on the streets of the EU who see the tsunami coming and know their leaders are just turning their backs to the water because the US said it would be fine... and just before the tsunami hits the Americans hand you an umbrella and run.

    Gas sales to the EU are going to be seriously limited from Russia and I suspect in the middle of winter will be cut completely because of any number of reasons... fear of terror attack would be a good one now.

    Currently Russia can only negotiate with USA, and what incentive does the US have to negotiate with Putin?

    November elections and then Trump....

    No point in talking to Biden... he was a major driving force of this entire situation... as shown by a key role played by his son in this... the gas company he was a CEO of funded those Bio Weapons labs...


    The point is, they won't negotiate, the Kremlin counts on economic damage inflicted to West, to bring them to the table

    Biden has already said he wont talk to Putin at the G20 unless it is about that American basketball player in jail... any agreement is not going to happen on anything to do with this conflict.

    Even if they negotiate, NATO still has 75% of Ukraine

    Winter isn't over yet.

    Does anyone here really believe NATO will leave Ukraine neutral?

    I don't think HATO will be given any say in the matter.

    I'm loving this Lancet footage. Because you can see the target and the hit in the same frame. So many other videos of other weapons shows the target , then the hit in separate frame and it kinda ruins it.

    Top marks for this drone. Anything that makes it into the footage like this is definitely working.

    Also evidence that they have plenty of drones to have the attack drones and also the overwatch drones to find the targets for the suicide drones to attack.

    Those suicide drones are big and seem to be easy to spot so have them stay low and find targets located and identified by higher flying drones make them more effective and capable.

    This is how Putin's compromises end.

    Not at all... yet again Putin is the good (reasonable) guy, and Kiev and the west are the greedy evil bastards... about 2-4 of the 70 odd ships taking grain from Odessa went to poor countries... the rest went to rich european ports and one delivered explosives for a terrorist attack on a bridge.

    Why the grain deal was even made in the first place is a mystery. All of us skeptics knew some bullshit would arise from it.

    Part of the deal is to drop sanctions on Russian grain because western shipping companies and western insurance companies are not shipping Russian grain so while they say there are no sanctions on Russian grain the sanctions preventing it being shipped amount to the same thing.

    The EU is breaking that part of the deal too so pretty soon Putin will declare it null and void and the west will be the bad guys as usual.

    @Billy... when you post something and it does not include the disclaimer that this is Russian propaganda, then there is a good chance it is probably nazi propaganda instead.

    Classic Putin, the bullied kid who studied Judo. Act, than peer over your shoulder to see how others respond. Not how you win wars and not the kind of leadership you ask braver men to die for.

    Or deadly assassin... wants to kill the bully cleanly because you are going to wear his clothes and he has nice shoes too... don't want to have to wash too much blood off them.

    Putin sickens me, and sickens any pro russian that knows what is happening

    Strelkov, Pegov, Soloviev, Kadyrov are all 100% right

    **** Matviyenko, Putin, Medinsky, Peskov, and the other traitors

    You sicken me... Putin has dragged your country from the dark ages of the 1990s when the US ran rampant over your economy and government, to now... a point where you can stand on your own feet without the west at all and you hate the man who made this happen because you are a coward and believe he might now sell Russia out.

    Honestly you don't deserve him you loser.

    I can understand the west claiming Putin is guilty of the warcrimes Kiev is purpetrating because their end goal is to weaken and eventually break Russia... the fact that you are so dumb and blinded by your own ignorance and wish the same is very ironic.

    Let the West howl. Russia should just accuse Ukropisstain of "attacking their own NPPs" while smirking.

    Hahahahaha...

    He also said that they'd never attack Ukraine on Feb 23. And they'd never occupy any part of Ukraine.

    Did he... or was that the English translation?

    If Putin didn't know Kiev was about to attack anyway so war was going to happen this attack would never have taken place, but if it is going to take place then it makes sense for him to give it the most chance of succeeding.

    It's a moot point imo. There's no resolve to do it right now. Kremenchug refinery is still up and running and all it takes to destroy is to knock out few cracking units.

    As the west escalates then Russia needs things to escalate too, so don't do it now... save it for when it will have the most impact.


    Nameless Western official: "Chechnya will always remain a hotbed of insurgency and terrorism within Russia."

    US politicians a few years before he became president "I don't care what the facts are, America is not to blame..." George Bush snr.

    No it wouldn't, it would just be treating the unrelated side effect instead of disease

    You'd still have entire subcontinent full of Nazis which will keep fighting unless you put them in the ground

    Start killing the ones at the top and the other ones with power will scatter and run to the west with their illgotten gains... with them gone the remainder can take back their country and start to rebuild, but those that left should be put on wanted lists and never allowed to return in any form.

    Get this - explosive power of nuclear weapons does not increase at the same rate as the damage it does.

    Very true... a few nukes would be useful in 152mm artillery guns in Kaliningrad in case HATO forces mass in Poland and try to invade... a few nukes in their midst would blunt that attack very quickly and effectively... but trying to use it in the Ukraine against small groups of Orcs or even large groups of Orcs is not going to work well.

    Russia wont use nukes unless they are invaded by a much larger enemy.

    Yes... nukes vs Orcs = no

    nukes vs HATO = little other choice.

    Putin does sound pathetic nowadays...

    Not at all... the attacks have had the effect wanted... listen to the silence of Kiev bragging about hitting the Crimean bridge...

    If they had kept up the rate of attacks what would they do when they did something else?

    They took his kindness for weakness and him continuing to project weakness will only yield similar results. Actions matter but tone and what you say are also important, especially in the propaganda space. I don't like what I'm hearing from Putin.

    That they take his humanity as a weakness ignores that perhaps 100K Ukrainian soldiers are dead... probably more... what a softie he is...

    IF NATO attacks directly to Russia, then if there are targets like Ramsteim, Sigonella, Aviano, Rota, etc... that should be destroyed with atomic weapons

    Any move on Kaliningrad would justify using tactical nukes too and also HQ attacks in Brussels and Washington too...

    ???? What does this even mean???? In which language are your typing??

    It means the power of a nuke to do physical damage does not go up at the same rate as the HE equivalent.

    A 10 megaton bomb is a very powerful weapon but to destroy an area target like London actually using 10 bombs with perhaps 100 kilo tons of power would be more effective if they are spread out.

    Compared with the more powerful device the 10 MT bomb will not kill people more than a 100 KT bomb within 500m... both will be vapourised.

    Having 10 x 100KT bombs spread out over an area will distribute the power more efficiently and would kill more people in a large open largely flat city like London... in the same way the huge masses of troops in an open field can be rather more efficiently dealt with using 250kg cluster bombs than with 1,000kg HE bombs despite being a quarter of the weight.

    You know that you are in the Netherlands when cows are getting prettier than girls.
    Checked multiple times

    Reminded me of an Aussie comedian... Kevin B Wilson... he does an X rated parody of Glen Campbells Rhinestone Cowboy... it is called the well hung plowboy...

    But I hate the enemy , more than I love my children .

    The enemy is in the process of destroying itself.... have patience and let them continue.

    The russians SHOULD be very well fortified there, the ukies would need to attack with over 100k men to make any real gains.

    If they do mass forces for an attack then saving up some of those missiles and some artillery ammo will be important...

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 15, 2022 11:18 am

    GarryB wrote:
    You said a lot of things months ago and months ago you would have been wrong... there was no reason to change tactics months ago except your butt hurt about this taking too long.
    You are ignoring the political aspect that this has to be drawn out for it to damage the EU and her ties with the US... the EU has to freeze this winter and know the US has no solutions for next winter which will just make it worse... their only solution will be to fix those pipes the Americans destroyed and there will be no hurry to do that.

    Just to clarify the picture.
    Macron yesterday addressed directly the US by saying that selling the LNG to Europe at 4x the rate of US-based business is paying can't be considered a friendly gesture.
    Yesterday it became clear, that there will be no common commission for investigating NS sabotage, as Sweden is not interested in such. The reason is quite clear, Sweden is earning huge money for its electricity supply to the EU. The sabotage was in their favor, as they have spare production of inexpensive, nuclear-made electricity.
    That closed all the yapping that was raised when Russkie claimed that they are not allowed to even inspect the site.
    People in Europe are sure who did that. Only the EU garbage politics are trying to pretend that there is a single doubt.
    Things are boiling in Europe. Slowly but steadily.
    It is just like with the Germany and Germans. They are not hotheads. They are saying Rache ist ein Gericht, das man am besten kalt serviert. ... Vengeance taste best when served cold.
    And hell they will make such a tasty meal for their dear Anglosaxon friends, that they won't like it.
    They won't like it at all.

    Edit :
    And something even more interesting :

    https://t.me/intelslava/39248

    Lancet took out two S-300 vehicles with one blow.

    Pay attention to the 9s, left down corner - there is a MANPAD coverage of the battery that tried to intervene, but obviously didn't make it.

    MANPAD as a coverage of strategic AD assets ... in a country that was left with hundreds of Osas, Tunguskas and Tors ...

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    Post  LMFS Sat Oct 15, 2022 11:55 am

    AMCXXL wrote:The question is, why are still alive bastards like Igor Kolomoisky, Rinat Akhmetov, Pinchuk, Kuchma, Turchinov, etc... ?

    Eliminating this scum the conflict would end in a few days

    Oligarchy, despite being composed by few individuals, is a class. Meaning there are always more crooks waiting on the sidelines to take their place, as soon as a vacant at the top is created. As far as the business model exists, there will be oligarchs, and changing the model means replacing it with something different. That takes time and demands to actually take control of the state apparatus This cannot be done from the outside, much less in 404 with the Anglos controlling both the forces of repression and sustaining the economy.

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:05 pm

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    Buryat reserve officer. He wants to build a bridge across the Dnjepr.  Laughing
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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:07 pm

    MANPAD as a coverage of strategic AD assets ... in a country that was left with hundreds of Osas, Tunguskas and Tors ...
    To be fair back in the 80´s most Krug and even S-200 units had a detail of ZU-23M´s as air defence. 

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    Very cost effective strike, two vehicles with one Lancet.

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    Post  Isos Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:09 pm

    Again !! They really understood the usefullness of those drones. The new command staff knows his job. The propaganda staff also, they share much better videos.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:16 pm

    This material with S-300 reminded me of something.
    The one with Lancet hitting Buk.
    There is no aftermath, the rockets did not exploded.
    Yet in most of the materials, I have seen covering this type of situation, rockets explode in a quite pictures way.
    Maybe that was a mockup? What do you think?

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    Post  LMFS Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:25 pm

    Geroman
    🇺🇸Don't use nukes!
    🇷🇺We don't need them to solve the Ukraine issue
    🇺🇸We warn you - don't use nukes
    🇷🇺We don't want to
    🇺🇸AGAIN - if you use them we will erase you!
    🇷🇺How ever - we don't want to
    🇺🇸...we also have nukes
    🇷🇺We would strike back...
    🇺🇸PUTIN SAID HE WILL USE NUKES!!!

    Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Kiko Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:30 pm

    Better get used with Yanquis. We've had them for more than eighty years here in Latin America.

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    Post  Mir Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:31 pm

    Alamo wrote: Maybe that was a mockup? What do you think?

    Early on in the campaign there was a strike on a BUK which I thought was a decoy as the heat sources seems to come from the radar cone and the fins if I'm not mistaken? >>

    The white dot in the middle is just the tracker/marker. I recall the explosion was quite spectacular though?

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:35 pm

    ALAMO wrote:This material with S-300 reminded me of something.
    The one with Lancet hitting Buk.
    There is no aftermath, the rockets did not exploded.
    Yet in most of the materials, I have seen covering this type of situation, rockets explode in a quite pictures way.
    Maybe that was a mockup? What do you think?

    Nah, those sparklers ejected from the blast and the huge white cloud look a lot like burning solid propellent to me. I'd say a few of the missile bodies were ruptured in the blast and expelled their propellents, while the rest burned down as the vehicles were consumed by the resulting fire.

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    Post  Werewolf Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:38 pm

    ALAMO wrote:This material with S-300 reminded me of something.
    The one with Lancet hitting Buk.
    There is no aftermath, the rockets did not exploded.
    Yet in most of the materials, I have seen covering this type of situation, rockets explode in a quite pictures way.
    Maybe that was a mockup? What do you think?

    Wasn't it a HEAT warhead that might have not hit the missiles directly but the vehicle. It also appears from footage that Lancet is exploding with some standoff distance from the target. It most probably did damage internal electronics of the BUK.

    But that all is just speculation from drone footage. We don't see any aftermath videos from the ground. Would be interesting to see detailed footage from the damage done to tanks. It might not destroy or ignite the internally stored propellant or ammunition but might be enough to damage sights, gun, FCS or even injure/kill commander or gunner.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:39 pm

    On this day in 1959, as a result of a successful operation of the KGB of the USSR, Stepan Bandera was liquidated.

    https://en.topwar.ru/203419-v-jetot-den-v-1959-godu-v-rezultate-uspeshnoj-operacii-kgb-sssr-byl-likvidirovan-stepan-bandera.html

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:40 pm

    I would guess that what you consider as hot is simply painted white.

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    Nah, those sparklers ejected from the blast and the huge white cloud look a lot like burning solid propellent to me. I'd say a few of the missile bodies were ruptured in the blast and expelled their propellents, while the rest burned down as the vehicles were consumed by the resulting fire.

    But that is S-300 released today we talk about.
    In the film hitting Buk, there was no explosion.
    Let me look for it.

    Edit : OK, I have found it :

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29732

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:50 pm

    Advance on Artemovsk (Bahkmut) is developing russia

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    Post  Regular Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:53 pm

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:55 pm

    ALAMO wrote:I
    But that is S-300 released today we talk about.
    In the film hitting Buk, there was no explosion.
    Let me look for it.

    Edit : OK, I have found it :

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29732

    Ah, I see Embarassed I did think it was strange that you were questioning the blatantly obvious... Laughing

    Buk TEL was probably hit in the hull. Not surprising there was no secondary explosion, or even a significant fire.

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    Post  Mir Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:56 pm

    ALAMO wrote:I would guess that what you consider as hot is simply painted white.

    Quite right but it does look like an IR image of the target though?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:05 pm

    I'm finding it very strange that during this period of incessent and unhinged 24-7 agitprop from the accursed NATO Continuum that no-one is talking about the shootdown of MH17? dunno

    Countless NATO apparatchiks and media assets have invested huge energies in their fake "it-woz-Russia-wot-dun-it" narratives, and despite the talk that a court case would soon open against the alleged "perpertrators" the 4th Reich sock puppets have remained oddly silent in this regard.

    I suspect they realise that their evdence is transparently bogus and that attempting a kangaroo-court at this time would result in damaging blow-back from a global audience who would not be backward in pointing out the engineered fallacies in the prosecutions case. Razz

    Maybe once this is all over, Russia will have their hands on the absolute proof of the corrupt malfeasence of the Ukropi regime and their Western backers. A concerted political counter-offensive targetting the hearts and minds of the Eurasians and the Global South would be just what the (spin) doctor ordered. Razz Razz Razz Razz

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