Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29

From Wyatt Reed's TG

"The Donetsk City Administration building was just taken out by Ukrainian forces with a US-manufactured HIMARS missile.
With Kiev’s militants currently on the back foot in the region, an increasingly-desperate Zelensky regime is escalating its attacks on civilian infrastructure today."

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The West is powerless to find protection against Russian missiles, by Olesya Ostrokhova for VZGLYAD. 10.16.2022.

After a series of missile strikes by the Russian Armed Forces on Ukrainian facilities, the Pentagon promised to help Ukraine create an integrated missile defense system. Against this background, 15 European countries have taken care of their own anti-missile security - from the Baltic states to Germany. It seems that the western neighbors were impressed by the vulnerability of Ukraine and the comparison of its own air defense forces with Russian ones.


At the end of the week, the Pentagon  announced  plans to create an integrated air defense system for Ukraine. Kiev is asking to give Ukraine an integrated air defense system designed to defend priority targets,   General Mark Milley, head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff , told TASS . Various options are being considered for transferring short, medium and long-range air defense systems to Kyiv, the general said. According to Milli, the combination of all these systems will make it possible to cover Ukrainian airspace from Russian missiles and aircraft.

In the meantime, only 10% of the required number of air defense systems are in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Thursday. “Our ability to close the sky is not enough,” complained the Ukrainian president, speaking at the PACE session. Kiev would like supplies "many times more," Zelensky was quoted by  TASS .


“Ukraine has already been helped by deliveries of missile defense and air defense. We know about the supply of German-developed IRIS-T SLM air defense systems, MANPADS systems, air defense and missile defense systems of the Soviet standard, based on their availability in different states. So this is not the first time. But it must be taken into account that Ukraine itself does not have money to create an integrated air defense system, in this and not only in this regard, it counts on outside help, ”Vadim Kozyulin, head of the Center for Global Studies and International Relations of the Institute of Actual International Problems of the Diplomatic academy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Ukraine can create an air defense system with the help of the United States and its allies, not only subject to the supply of complexes, but also prepared crews trained to manage them, in turn, notes Ilya Kramnik, a researcher at the IMEMO RAS, military observer. “The number of Soviet complexes on which trained Ukrainian specialists can already work is not enough. This means that supplies are needed from the West, where there are mainly American Patriot complexes. The complexes that are in storage can be delivered. But Ukraine does not have personnel capable of working for the Patriot,” Kramnik told the VZGLYAD newspaper.


Against the backdrop of persistent requests from Kiev to provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine and critical infrastructure with cover from Russian missile attacks, the creation of an integrated missile defense and air defense system has taken care of Ukraine's western neighbors.

On Thursday, a declaration was made public in Brussels , which was signed by German Defense Minister Christina Lambrecht and 14 of her colleagues. The document consolidates the intentions of European partners in the North Atlantic Alliance, as well as Finland joining NATO, to create a common European Sky Shield air defense system (“European Sky Shield”). The Declaration was signed by: Germany, Great Britain, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia and Lithuania. Estonia also intends to join the Heavenly Shield project.


As for Poland, it is already several steps ahead of its EU partners in creating a reliable missile defense system, Poland's Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak said on Friday. The head of the Polish Ministry of Defense announced this at a training ground in the city of Torun following the results of tests of the American Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems and their integration with Polish missile defense and air defense systems.

“Europe has been developing its missile defense and air defense system for a long time. This is a consequence of long-standing own European developments, stretching back to the 2000s," Kramnik notes.


But it is quite possible to assume what prompted the Europeans right now to come up with the initiative of a unified missile defense system. Firstly, the course of the operation in Ukraine and, in particular, the inability of the Ukrainian air defense to repel missile attacks on infrastructure, and, secondly, the comparison of the capabilities of the Russian missile defense system with the air defense forces of the countries of the alliance. The Rybar Telegram channel cites the opinion of Brazilian analyst Pepe Escobar, according to which Russian strikes on Ukrainian targets could completely deprive Kiev of the ability to conduct hostilities. And moreover, to encourage the NATO patrons of Ukraine to start negotiations.

In turn, as American military analyst Will Shriver noted in his blog, Russia has demonstrated the ability to regularly intercept missiles and rockets, which is a revolution on the battlefield. As Shriver points out, “no other NATO country has that capability.”

The head of the German military department, Christina Lambrecht, directly indicated that the European Sky Shield project is being created in order to close gaps in missile defense, writes  Deutsche Welle  (included in the list of foreign agents). The project plans to combine various air defense systems designed to destroy cruise and ballistic missiles and combat drones.


And it is German politicians who directly draw parallels with the situation in Ukraine. In particular, the Prime Minister of the richest German land - Bavaria - Markus Soeder said that Germany should install air defense systems and missiles to protect the country's cities, which would create a protective "umbrella" over Germany. He added that what Germany does for its partners must be done for its own country. Germany, as you know, handed over the IRIS-T SLM air defense system to Ukraine.

Military expert, former head of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Air Force Special Forces Command, Sergei Khatylev, emphasizes that today there is no common air defense system for Europe, let alone anti-missile defense. The US missile defense elements in Poland and Romania are "a single occurrence that cannot cope with even a dozen missiles," Khatylev said.


“The European states are armed with various complexes of various modifications. In some places there are modern ones, for example, the American Patriot in the PAC-3 version. In Spain, the Hawk anti-aircraft missile systems, developed in the 50s, are still in service, ”Khatylev noted.

The expert emphasizes that the EU does not have a unified system of control, long-range aerial reconnaissance, data processing - up to a different procedure for using radio frequencies. All this is a shortcoming in the creation of a unified air defense system.


“There are separate local systems in Europe. And what is now being proposed is only the deployment of disparate anti-aircraft missile systems. The adopted documents do not say that it is necessary to create unified anti-aircraft missile, radar and aviation systems with automatic control in order to detect the enemy at distant borders, ”the source added.

Khatylev pointed out that so far only a declaration of intent has been adopted in Brussels, and it will take five to ten years to create an anti-aircraft shield. He also pointed out that the systems named by Lambrecht will be able to work - taking into account the maximum improvements - within a radius of 80 kilometers. A similar assessment is given by Vadim Kozyulin, head of the Center for Global Studies and International Relations of the Institute of Contemporary International Problems of the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Foreign Ministry.


“Creating your own Sky Shield air defense system in Europe will take at least five to ten years. Only the planning stage will take at least a year or two. The cost of such a project can be estimated at hundreds of billions of dollars, since today missile defense systems are the most expensive of weapons,” the expert notes.

“The Sky Shield program is not just about integrating the missile defense and air defense systems assets that many countries have, but about creating the latest weapons system against modern threats. If you design it comprehensively, as they did in the Soviet Union, then it is necessary to take into account the scale in terms of geography of distribution, as well as technical difficulties. Such a system, in fact, includes a number of other systems of different levels - strategic, operational, tactical and others," Kozyulin said.


In any case, Russia needs to respond to what is happening, in turn, Khatylev notes. “We need to keep the issue of creating the European Sky Shield under control. In Europe, they finally combed it out and realized that air defense is important, -summed up Khatylev.

Despite the fact that some experts consider the Patriots obsolete, this system allows you to destroy modern means of attack and delivery - but not hypersonic missiles, said Lt. Gen. Aitech Bizhev, former deputy commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force for the Joint Air Defense System of the CIS member states. .


“It is with the help of hypersonic weapons that Russia, if necessary, will be able to quickly make a breach in the European Sky Shield,” the source emphasized. And to defeat such a system, you need to create a "massive raid that exceeds the firing capabilities of the Patriots." “Russia has Kinzhals, Vanguards, Calibers, Iskanders and other means of aerospace attack, so not a single air defense and missile defense system of the West can withstand it. They can accidentally shoot down our missiles in separate local areas,” the lieutenant general explained.

https://vz.ru/world/2022/10/16/1182115.html

Iskander too expensive for mass production in huge numbers. Funny they could build such missiles easily but they invested in weapons they will never use like Burevestnik nuk missile or poseidon torpedo.

Pretty dumb to remove Toshka from service also. It was a very good system and cheaper than iskander.


Rob Lee
@RALee85
"An intelligence assessment shared in recent days with Ukrainian and U.S. officials contends that Iran’s armaments industry is preparing a first shipment of Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar missiles, two well-known Iranian short-range ballistic missiles" to Russia

Isos wrote:Iskander too expensive for mass production in huge numbers. Funny they could build such missiles easily but they invested in weapons they will never use like Burevestnik nuk missile or poseidon torpedo.

Pretty dumb to remove Toshka from service also. It was a very good system and cheaper than iskander.


Rob Lee
@RALee85
"An intelligence assessment shared in recent days with Ukrainian and U.S. officials contends that Iran’s armaments industry is preparing a first shipment of Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar missiles, two well-known Iranian short-range ballistic missiles" to Russia

if this turns to be the case, well fck me, but im not convinced. they kind of put that 'out of ammo, need NK weapons shit' to bed a few days ago when birthday boy took over...

Isos wrote:Iskander too expensive for mass production in huge numbers. Funny they could build such missiles easily but they invested in weapons they will never use like Burevestnik nuk missile or poseidon torpedo.

Pretty dumb to remove Toshka from service also. It was a very good system and cheaper than iskander.

It is comments like those above that have won you a reputation of being full of shit & proud about it. If you were just a bit more humble, it would pass as a plausible theory, stated as fact just sounds like some random idiot trying to get attention.

And excuse that I am blunt, but you are blunt all the time, so I feel no need to mince words.

LMFS wrote:

Isos wrote:Iskander too expensive for mass production in huge numbers. Funny they could build such missiles easily but they invested in weapons they will never use like Burevestnik nuk missile or poseidon torpedo.

Pretty dumb to remove Toshka from service also. It was a very good system and cheaper than iskander.

It is comments like those above that have won you a reputation of being full of shit & proud about it. If you were just a bit more humble, it would pass as a plausible theory, stated as fact just sounds like some random idiot trying to get attention.

And excuse that I am blunt, but you are blunt all the time, so I feel no need to mince words.

If it turns out to be true, take an iskander and fill your mouth with it and you ass too.

I remember fanbois like you saying russian drones were wonderful and they produced hundreds of them until they ordered iranian stuff.

It's comments like this that make you a dumb fanboy that no one listen to anymore but other fanboys.

Isos wrote:Iskander too expensive for mass production in huge numbers. Funny they could build such missiles easily but they invested in weapons they will never use like Burevestnik nuk missile or poseidon torpedo.

Pretty dumb to remove Toshka from service also. It was a very good system and cheaper than iskander.


Rob Lee
@RALee85
"An intelligence assessment shared in recent days with Ukrainian and U.S. officials contends that Iran’s armaments industry is preparing a first shipment of Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar missiles, two well-known Iranian short-range ballistic missiles" to Russia

And you know it's too expensive, how ?
Is that the same claim as your claim that Rafale is harder to find than a black hole in the universe ?
Man, you are annoying with your personal remarks.
Do you know what 13 completely re-armed brigades with the Iskander missile system mean ? Each brigade has 12 TEL vehicles and 12 transporter-loader machines, and each of these vehicles has two rockets.
Calculate how much that is, complex Frenchman..
Russia has almost twice as many Iskander launchers and transport-loaders vehicles as your sad France has tanks and howitzers. What a genius...

Triggered again fanboy ?

Ukraine bombing the shit out of Belgorod. How many HIMARS do they have ? 10 ? What would happen if they face the hundreds of US himars ? They are defenceless against them. Ukraine firing in middle of the day accross the border and russia can't find them with the mighty Zala drones.

They need iranian satellites.

Isos wrote:Triggered again fanboy ?

From you ?
You are a complete fool Isos.
No, I just see that you are the same piece of shit as RTN - enjoy your stench.

Podlodka77 wrote:
From you ?
You are a complete fool Isos.
No, I just see that you are the same piece of shit as RTN - enjoy your stench.

Little froggy has gone in full troll mode

Isos wrote:Ukraine bombing the shit out of Belgorod. How many HIMARS do they have ? 10 ? What would happen if they face the hundreds of US himars ? They are defenceless against them. Ukraine firing in middle of the day accross the border and russia can't find them with the mighty Zala drones.

They need iranian satellites.

Have you lost your brain overnight?

There will be a response.

8mths. into the SMO and the Ukrainian military can still hit the city of Donetsk when they want to.

Surely, the people there must be asking why this had not been a priority to prevent. They have been shelled for 8years, enough is enough.

Interesting variety of artillery on display there.

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:Ukraine bombing the shit out of Belgorod. How many HIMARS do they have ? 10 ? What would happen if they face the hundreds of US himars ? They are defenceless against them. Ukraine firing in middle of the day accross the border and russia can't find them with the mighty Zala drones.

They need iranian satellites.

Have you lost your brain overnight?

There will be a response.

Which brain ?

The reality of Belgorod, under 10% strike success.

These figures must be worrying those in NATO who see the actual position, not the propaganda. Combined with the effectiveness of even the Ukrainian let alone the Russian's AD network they know just how ill prepared they are for a 21st Century war. They have bet the bank on airpower, oops.


GEROMAN -- time will tell - --
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#Russia #Belgorod
Air defense repels a massive strike on the Belgorod airport.
Over 10 targets shot down. 2 arrivals in the airport area.
Governor Gladkov had previously reported two casualties as a result of the shelling.


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GEROMAN -- time will tell - --
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the so called "one off" RF air raid Campaign is going into the 7th day -by the way...
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What did I tell you?
RF will take out the complete AD, HQ, command and control and electrical power grid - and then RF will start their offensive.

Kiko wrote:The West is powerless to find protection against Russian missiles, by Olesya Ostrokhova for VZGLYAD. 10.16.2022.

https://vz.ru/world/2022/10/16/1182115.html

Even if they would, they couldn't.

First, they lack the technology and that is mainly because their decade long doctrines have been focused on offensive equipment, whereas Russia has primarily - due to NATO threats - focused on a defensive doctrine which resulted in advantages in areas of radar systems, missiles and propulsion, and a wide variety of modern anti air defense systems in a variety of long-range to short-range layers.

Second, you need to solve this but ..... the military industrial complex has their own commercial agenda and is pretty much reliant on the US. For the cost of one US missile, Russia/Iran/China/India can build multiple. I haven't even mentioned the research, development and procurement of systems and platforms. And this is probably not due to the material cost but due to funds ending up in the wrong pockets or enormous amounts of overhead and governance. Where there is money there is corruption, it will happen everywhere and also in Russia. In the case of the US the influence of the top defense contractors on its government is simply too high. And it's nearly impossible to break through without a strong leader (Trump couldn't do it - with DOD, FBI, CIA, DOJ, NSA all working against him) that has a carte blanche let alone can operate more than two terms of only 4 years.

Thirdly, lack of unification, cooperation and trust among countries and members. We just learned Sweden doesn't want to share the results of the NS1, NS2 investigation with major 'partners'. So, this tells you all you need to know. And you think the US with all of its problems is going to solve this? Not in a hundred years.

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To summarize it all. There is no way that the US, EU or NATO as a whole will become a solid adversary for Russia given the situation in Ukraine. They don't have the economy to become one, the offensive systems (e.g. F22, F35) can be countered by Russia's advanced multi layered air defense systems. And there are simply too many to overcome; with some of them highly mobile (e.g. TorM2 system), they also learned that attacking by land is extremely problematic considering the geographic features as we have seen in the Donbass, and in various training exercises all of the US aircraft carriers were very easily sunk by Dutch submarines; sinking only one will have major political consequences.

The only joker card they have are nuclear weapons. We all know what happens then (at least we won't have issues with lack of gas / heating in the Winter if that happens... )

This guy is a good poster, his grandfather was a sage.

GEROMAN -- time will tell - --
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My grandfather (an Austrian) fought in the Wehrmacht in Russia - I asked him 49 years ago: how was it?
he paused - got red eyes - and said:
you can't win against Russia
That was all he ever said to me about the war.

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He's on a role this morning

GEROMAN -- time will tell - --
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Ukrainian authorities have banned their media, bloggers and news broadcasters from any mention of the situation in the direction of Kherson.
(so the defeat must have been devastating - because that ban was in force for months anyway)

ALAMO wrote:You can't even write the system name properly yet continue to spread bullshit and your ars took theories with no clue other than butthurt ego.

It is "tochka" if written in English phonetics, and states for the Russian word "point".

LFMS just hit spot on.
I would only add, that while knowing not a word in Russian other than "vodka" I suppose, you are convinced by shitty sources like Rob Lee.

Even if Russkie will take the Iranian MRBMs, it would mean just another hell of a pragmatic decision.
Why waste a missile that was made to overkill a serious defense and hit a mosquito's ass from 500 km, when a 300 km inexpensive missile will do the job either.
They lack this tier of strike assets at the moment, a target more than 200 km away must be struck either with aviation or Iskander/another long range missile. Which will be resolved soon with the new missiles for Tornado-S that will go up to 300-350km as declared. But now&here, sure they can take the Iranian ones that costs a factor of Iskander.
And no, Tochka-U with it's 120 km range wouldn't solve the issue here, even if mass used. Too short ranged. It is already covered by the Tornado.

The third fanboy triggered .

They have the mighty su-34 for such target. Oh yeah I forget ... it enters ukraine only in your wet dreams.

* 12:57 So far, explosions have been reported in the Kirovograd and Kiev regions, as well as slightly earlier arrivals in the Kremenchug region.

* 12: 58 Iran prepares transfer of Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar short-range ballistic missiles to Russia - Washington Post
These missiles are capable of hitting targets at a distance of 300 and 700 kilometers, respectively.

https://t.me/intelslava/39287

Isos, learn the lyrics to the German national anthem - don't be unprepared.

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:Ukraine bombing the shit out of Belgorod. How many HIMARS do they have ? 10 ? What would happen if they face the hundreds of US himars ? They are defenceless against them. Ukraine firing in middle of the day accross the border and russia can't find them with the mighty Zala drones.

They need iranian satellites.

Have you lost your brain overnight?

There will be a response.

They will attack fixed targets but not HIMARS.