Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29

Silly Rooskies, your conscription has failed and you being Russia can't give your troops winter clothing, you have to use Iranian drones because you don't have missiles. You are retreating on all fronts and so you issue viagara I guess to rape your own women? I mean if the narrative is to remain consistent, you are now driven back towards Moscow. . . . Where was I in the western misinformation stream? Oh yeah, HARM, HIMARS, and Hymens are invincible against your commie weapons because look we have a picture of your destroyed AA systems. Don't bother showing me pics of destroyed HIMARS that's just misinformation. You can't win.

This is Wolf Cooper Madcow on assignment for the BBC

What the hell is a C-300 missile?



Is he referring to an S-300 SAM?

If so, I have news for you buddy, that wasn't launched by Russia.

The sheer amount of *obviously untrue* propaganda is mindblowing, to be honest. Had Russian officials (like the president himself...) come with moronic takes like this, the collective west would instantly burst out in laughter and big media would publish endless easy peasy debunkings. But in UA's case it's tolerated, no questions asked, even encouraged. Dead obvious Ukrainian SAMs failing to intercept Russian drones and CMs and hitting the ground magically become Russian (if they damage anything) and everyone simply just goes with it.

It's enough to make your hair turn grey seeing these things day after day.

Even when the SAM in question is filmed as it's launched from a Ukrainian position to fend off a Russian air raid, AND filmed as it impacts a building not too far away after failing to intercept the aerial target, it instantly becomes a "Russian" missile instead and Ukrainian officials cry about it. Obviously knowing full well that it's absolute bollocks, but it matters not.

I mean, for crying out loud, you see these Ukrainian SAMs hit random places while their engines are STILL burning solid rocket fuel, leaving a thick white trail. Hey Einstein, that's not what ANY missile or rocket looks like after it's flown for hundreds of miles. That's what it looks like during the initial boost phase, immediately after launch. This isn't some special military expertise talking, this is freaking common sense. For ****s sake.

Grey hair... It feels like accidentally walking into some Flat Earth convention and having glance at their Power Point slides.

And yes, Ukraine so far is doing excellent job,...

Yes, they did a great job that I can not deny.

They made more to destroy Ukraine than anyone ever could done to Ukraine.

Killed their own population for 8 years and even after 24th february 2022.

-Gathered civilians on Krematorsk train station and than killed many of them with an Ukropian Tochka-U trying to blame Russians.
- Gathered civilians in basements and used them as human shields and in the process are hated in Mariуpоl' now.
- They have grown for decades out right NAZIs, indoctrinated children and half the society to cheer and should a Nazi slogan as a form of Friend or Foe identification.
- They have made a fucking propaganda war movie in a fucking war with actors for western movie theatres
- They are trying to provoke nuclear usage for the Muricans to paint Russia as the bad guy
- They fabricated how many heroes Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island, all the Nazis of Azovstal which have even proclaimed only cowards are capitulating and taken hostage, then proceeded killing 22 conscripts for trying to give up and these heroes all in the end did get captured.
- Bucha killing of civilians with flachette ammunition and trying to blame the russians. Russians artilleried themselves for a month and killing of civilians with white bandages around their arms
- terrorism across Ukraine and blowing up civilians in cars for being "collaborators"
- terrorism in Russia against civilians like Dugina
- putting people on kill list like Elon Musk with a huge clout of fanboys which are now pissed of at Kokaina
- Killing civilians who did obtain a Russian passport
- Passing laws for 15 years prison if they receive food from russian humanitarian aid

Congratulations for being on a fascist side which is throwing daily thousands over thousands of unequipped soldiers into a month old known and working meat grinder of Russian heavy artillery.

You really show me western values, but remember if you are in Europe your time will come being part of the mince for the meat grinder.

CHPP6 powerplant destroyed in Kiev,

The preparation for offensive continues, the intensity should be kept up

A missile attack on Kiev was carried out by Tu-160 and Tu-95 strategic bombers from the Rostov region. According to the statement of the Ukrainian side, the Russian Aerospace Forces used Kh-101 and Kh-555 missiles

This is all very good , the leadership has understood how critical it is to destroy the civilian infrastructure

Once these targets are down, you hit the cities like Mariupol and Grozny

And bring Ukraine to surrender

Once the winter arrives the people without power and losing their loved ones will clamor for the removal of the Kiev regime

ALAMO wrote:

franco wrote:
I also liked the Ukrainian innovation with the MT-12 mounted on a MT-LB. Wonder if the LDPR forces have tried that combo?

It is more an act of desperation than anything other.
MT-12 is VERY powerful gun, with hell of recoil. It is extremely accurate, being called a "sniper cannon".
Putting it on the MTLB, that is relatively light, thin-skinned and lacks self digg in system will just create something that will hit shit, and probably destroy the carrier quite fast as the stress to the hulk will be extream.
Just take a look how this gun shoots, when correctly deployed. It jumps into the sky when shooting a full cartridge round.

I have not seen many Rapiras in action though - they probably sold them off as well?

Desperate stuff!

Its the Swedish Pansarvärnspjäs-1110 from the 60's. Some were transferred to the Baltics, which is the likely source.

JohninMK wrote:What a surprise, they want to live to enjoy their ill gotton gains not die under a 152mm barrage

So shock horror, when there are more than a handful (that can be pushed around) they are refusing to be used as front line cannon fodder! They are used to flanking or mopping up, not used to fighting against a combined arms operation head-to-head. That is increasingly what describes the operation now. Seems like a relatively big game changer. Russians are able to plug their flanks properly.

What happens if you try to shoot one out of 5000 for desertion? Yup their mates shoot back  

Could this be a real earthquake for NATO Generals, if this is what their core infantry actually think and how they may react? Are Western males no longer willing to die needlessly?

@Polk105 writes: Zaluzhny, commander of the Ukrainian armed forces, reported to the Zelensky’s administration about problems with the high concentration of volunteers/mercenaries (especially Polish) in key areas of the Ukrainian front.

They were good for "mopping up" the Kharkov region, as they met little resistance there (due to the small number of the Allied troops) and worked in isolated groups.

Now the number of refusals by mercenaries to go on assault against the fortifications created by the Russian Army in the main theatres of the conflict in Ukraine has increased.

A particularly acute problem for the AFU is with the Southern Front, where a large group of PMCs was assembled in Nikolaev to storm Kherson, but the mercenaries refused to go into the open field because of the constant strikes by the Russian artillery.

PR-war is over, the hard front-line routines have begun, for which the representatives of the "Golden Billion", who refuse to fight without Coca-Cola, were not ready.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15015

Just give it another 1-2 months those volunteers/mercenaries will be wanting to leave Ukraine or be killed by their Nazi zealot masters for trying to leave. Winter is coming and most don't have proper winter kit, and certainly no fun living in ruin buildings or trenches during winter being hit by Russian artillery and drones, while the Nazi masters sit in safe warm houses or Mansions with bellies full of the finest food. Suddenly fighting for Ukrainian neo Nazi conquests doesn't seem so appealing. And in the run up to Christmas morale will likely dwindle further while your families sit at home and prepare for Christmas meal, open their gifts from loved ones, all celebrating with Christmas cheer, and you are forgotten about and while you sit in your cold wet trench feeling hungary, cold, and miserable not knowing when the next artillery barrage will be, or the unnerving sound of a drone fly over head and will it be your last moment alive or not. Suddenly what you volunteered for doesn't seem so appealing.

Even ex commander of British Army ex general Lord Dannet says Russia will win the war. And there is many articles out their with various analysts, experts, ex military personnel all saying the same thing Ukraine can't win this war.

A very miserable outcome indeed. And once the volunteers/ mercenaries start leaving this will have a massive effect on Ukrainian troops morale and they too will experience the same feelings that the volunteers/mercenaries will have experienced during the winter months and Christmas period.

What Russia needs to do is hit them hard and keep the pressure up during this time of bad weather and low morale to maximize the morale crushing period which hopefully leads to mass desertions.

ALAMO wrote:

franco wrote:
I also liked the Ukrainian innovation with the MT-12 mounted on a MT-LB. Wonder if the LDPR forces have tried that combo?

It is more an act of desperation than anything other.
MT-12 is VERY powerful gun, with hell of recoil. It is extremely accurate, being called a "sniper cannon".
Putting it on the MTLB, that is relatively light, thin-skinned and lacks self digg in system will just create something that will hit shit, and probably destroy the carrier quite fast as the stress to the hulk will be extream.
Just take a look how this gun shoots, when correctly deployed. It jumps into the sky when shooting a full cartridge round.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
Is he referring to an S-300 SAM?

Oh sure he is.
There are plenty of documented cases when 5W55 just falls down after leaving the tube.
From the very beginning, they have masqueraded cases as "Russian terroristic attacks", but the thing is it can be quite easily debunked due to fragmentation warhead. So for a while the narrative has been changed to "Russkie are shooting AD missiles against land targets because lacking the missiles"

The Algerians mounted the MT-12 on Mercedes trucks with support legs while firing. So I would imagine a MT-LB will cope but I have videos of the gun being fired and it does seem quite violent. But various artillery guns ranging from 122mm 130mm, and 152mm have been mounted on trucks before and have just as much kick as these do. I would imagine it's all about the use and tactics of deployment and how well the gun has been fitted to these trucks and chassis. Syria if I remember correctly mounted D-30 on T-34 chassis. And Cuba mounted M-46 130mm artillery gun on a truck I think they called it Jupiter that's a pretty big gun on a truck.

I think the only thing that matters here is that the barrel is pointed at the Ukrainians

https://t.me/azmilitary11/25798

Zelensky=black hole for money

On one of the American TV channels, the presenters wanted to listen to the sound made by a black hole. But there was a "technical failure" and instead of recording the sounds of black hole, a video with Zelensky's speech appeared.

The russians are animals! All of them!!!
Poor poor gays!

Werewolf wrote:

The russians are animals! All of them!!!
Poor poor gays!

Where do you sign to join that group ? Asking for a friend .

Werewolf wrote:

The russians are animals! All of them!!!
Poor poor gays!

Where can I sign up?

You two horny donkeys!

Do you see how western press is better at finding volunteers than Russia is.

Ze West is stronkkk!

ALAMO wrote:Tell me it is fake, or ...

Western press....what else do I need to tell you.

Also by the same western values only men can rape and women are always the victim.
That means the title should be: Gay volunteer put into all Women's Division and mass rapes the girls

kvs wrote:
Another attempt to bootstrap seditionist hysteria in Russia.   Where is all the concern for the Ukrainian draftees whose lives are squandered and whose
bodies are abandoned on the field by their precious regime?  Where is the hysteria to remove Elensky from power?

Honestly, nobody here gives two shits about Ukrainian reservists. It is their problem that they accept to be cannon fodder. 
Russia does not only need to win a war, but to win it in a very decisive way, with huge manpower losses on Ukrainian side and as little losses as possible of their own. 
Ukraine must be made into example. I am still of belief that even when war is over, all extremists left alive on Ukrainian side have to be hunted down Mossad style and liquidated.

As for problems with mobilized troops and sometimes insufficient training, Sasha Kots mentioned it in his excellent report from Svatovo theater.

https://www.kp.ru/daily/27458/4663280/

mr_hd wrote:
Regarding West -those countries are in decline and are not angels either, still most of them have far superior societies compared to Russia and have much more organized institutions, rule of law etc and sadly Russia is falling behind more last 5-6 years. Before that was making huge gains and progress - not anymore.

Bold part shows that you know about Russia only what is said in MSM, which translates to next to nothing. If anything, they finally started to move their ass in right direction last few years.
This war caused a very strong development of civil society that should speed up whole process of change, if done properly.

flamming_python wrote:

Don't know about the civil society

In between the government lying or being silent, the 5th column coming out into the open and wishing Russia defeat and destruction in public, all sorts of draft-dodgers and rich kids running from the country, and the right-wingers gathering money for troops slipping into hysterical doomerism and out of it

What strong development. It's a clown show and a disgrace. 80-90% of it.
Russian society is a disappointment. And although Ukro bullshit is regularly discounted, sometimes people do fall for it, or for Western info-war nonsense.

You blame a society that expected a swift victory and received terror bombings,

The Americans experienced such terror on 9/11, and the society expected a severe response which indeed came

If George Bush had mobilized men, and handled Iraq the way Putin handled Ukraine, the same shit would have happened

Draft dodgers, nay sayers, and doomerism

If they had been asking for money to donate night vision, drones, and other such material the same would have happened

Instead of blaming civil society, blame the inepts for handling such a debaucle

No, they went in and leveled Iraq and entered Baghdad after 1 month

They dealt with an insurgency, and left, then again Americans had no intention to build up Iraq

Much more was expected of the leadership in Ukraine,

There is still time to salvage the operation, but it cannot handle more ineptitude

The VKS should be bombing urban infrastructure, I'm talking residential buildings at this point

Or is this dumbass gonna send mobilized into cities without adequate fire preparation?

If he does, and this does not result in decisive victory, he has only himself to blame for the disaster that will befall Russia- I'm talking full revolution

And no the burden of responsibility lies with the elite, not the civil society, the people are sheep to be led by a firm hand

If these idiots do not understand it, then as PapaDragon said they do not deserve to be in power

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caveat emptor wrote:

mr_hd wrote:
Regarding West -those countries are in decline and are not angels either, still most of them have far superior societies compared to Russia and have much more organized institutions, rule of law etc and sadly Russia is falling behind more last 5-6 years. Before that was making huge gains and progress - not anymore.

Bold part shows

Python. Do you think that Russia can strategically bomb Ukraine into surrender ? I don't think its in the cards. Because this govt doesn't care about Ukraine. Russia could bomb every power station for 3 weeks until theres not one light on in the whole country and Zelensky would still get on TV and demand Crimea.

So yeah. I think this army being moved to Belarus has to be the real deal. Thats the only way to solve it