Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29

ALAMO wrote:
Last time I checked, you owned no empire
So probably you know where to stick your elaborated advice?

kvs wrote:For the resident 6th column troll, one's heritage does not determine automatically how one thinks.   I have sympathy for
my western Ukrainian side of the family but I am not a Bandera-tard.   Or some poser like you who is trying to act like
a Russian uber-patriot but is clearly working one way or another for Russia's enemies.

There is a common thread with clowns who designate themselves as experts on the war.   The Gonzalo Lira video with RWA
shows that RWA is full of shit.   They actually believe that Kiev has 700,000 soldiers.   The f*ck it does.   It lost 200,000+
already so that would mean it managed to raise its million man army.   Sure and pigs fly over the icy wastes of Hell.   Where
are these 700,000 soldiers?   None of Kiev's big offensives even any substantial fraction of 100,000 thrown at the Russian
lines.   Are the other 650,000+ just twiddling their thumbs?   Maybe they are en route from Lwow or something...

famschopman wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

This is a dangerous level of delusion. This is like listening to Putin's speech.

He is smart. The US/EU will abandon Ukraine as they run out of economic resources, lack of weapon stock and loss of public opinion. With no support or a neutral standpoint from other major global players like China, India, Saudis and Turkey there is nothing to achieve.

Ukraine will remain isolated, with damaged infrastructure and more and more of the population getting fed up with the current government. People in harsh winter conditions, no food, no electricity, unemployment and poverty rising and no clear future. It doesn’t surprise anyone that Zelinsky and his government will lose trust and confidence rapidly.

A good moment to restore ties with Russia.

Werewolf wrote:

I don't know if you know the russian language or the situation in 404, but in all Ukro media they are repeating everything officials of Russia are saying to twist to their own preferred interpretations. Meaning it is important to not give in this bullshit Ukro-propaganda of "genocide of ukrainians". The only one who commits genocide is the West and Elensky Clown.

Werewolf wrote:
He is correct. We are one nation. There is no such a thing as Ukrainian or Belorussian. We are all Russians.
If they would official say something different that would be Ukro-propaganda. They are the once who call us mongols and they are the purest pure Slavic people, the root and mother of all civilizations.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:



Ukraine is Varangia.


Or the Varangian Horde if you prefer this term.



http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia



So many years of serious problems with them.

The problem is they are integrated in the Russian security council

We have serious ukros there, you also have ukros in the Duma and media

Ukros giving ukros Crimea, Kiev, Lughansk, Donbass, giving Kharkov

It's a never ending story of Ukro gifts

auslander wrote:For those of you who are displeased with how President Putin and his staff are running the war, nothing is stopping you from volunteer enlisting and using your new and exalted status to point out the error of their ways to the aforementioned. In other words, put up or shut up....so to speak. As an aside, I'm 76 years and still serving as I can. How about you folks with the big mouths? Posting here don't count as service by any stretch of the imagination.
Auslander

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

There is a similar problem with them in Poland; they control the Polish government to the detriment of the Polish people and Poland.

Poland has been practically turned into a Ukrainian tributary state.

famschopman wrote:

He is smart. The US/EU will abandon Ukraine as they run out of economic resources, lack of weapon stock and loss of public opinion. With no support or a neutral standpoint from other major global players like China, India, Saudis and Turkey there is nothing to achieve.

Ukraine will remain isolated, with damaged infrastructure and more and more of the population getting fed up with the current government. People in harsh winter conditions, no food, no electricity, unemployment and poverty rising and no clear future. It doesn’t surprise anyone that Zelinsky and his government will lose trust and confidence rapidly.

A good moment to restore ties with Russia.

caveat emptor wrote:
Yes to both. Still, i don't see any mass surrender on Ukrainian side because of the rhetoric or any lack of willingness for fight. The way it is presented, it looks like some aliens abducted Ukrainian nation. I'm not sure what percent of people on home front (in Russia) share this view, atm.

I don't believe that many Ukrainians (not more than 20% outside Donbas and few other regions) share this view. All these historical concepts of Malorossia, Novorossia are things of past. Things have changed completely, lets move on. I'm sure you can find some percentage of people in Lvov or Ternopil that don't agree with present Ukrainian policies, but they are in minority.
Ukraine has been, by far, Putin's biggest blunder in foreign policy.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:

Therein, I fear, lies the problem.  I hope I am wrong, but I still think Putin thinks that some way some how he can foment a popular uprising in Kiev that will toss out Zelensky for him and/or that he can get Zelensky to sue for peace.  I respect Putin, and agree with his reason for war, but I don't agree with much of his execution.  He should have disconnected Ukraine physically and online from the west in February, should have blown up the Rada as soon as they disbanded opposition parties, took out the presidential palace, taken off state television and radio and never allowed NATO diplomats to vacation in Kiev.  However, the mistakes are correctable and over the past couple weeks it looks like they are being addressed.  Still, Zelensky needs to be either droned, rocketed, or bombed out of office.  

He called them a brotherly people...  

How do you fight a brotherly people ? Lmfao

Russians are confused , many are stuck in soviet era

There is NO Ukraine,  simple as that , it is RUS

That is all folks

Enough from the ukro mafia , enough

ucmvulcan wrote:

And in 1861 Lincoln told the CSA they could keep slavery if they would rejoin the Union.  From 1861 to 1863 US generals were very skittish about going to Richmond to end the war.  McClellan had huge advantages in number and resources and he never senr his men into battle and Lee and Jackson won several splashy, albeit meaningless, victories. There was an exception to this rule though.  His name was U.S. Grant.  He was not the tactically finesse commander like Lee or Jackson but he was something far more important, a ruthless strategist who knew to win that the CSA had to be cut in half.  He also knew that no part of the South could feel safe from the war and one of his Lieutenants, Sherman, burned down Atlanta, and his men tore a 20 mile wide path of destruction through that state.  

Lincoln, to his credit, knew he had the general who would win him the war.  So in 1864 Grant became overall commander.  The South haaaated him and called him a butcher because Grant did not dance with Lee and allow Lee to get away and lick his wounds, he doggedly pursued Lee, grabbed him by the throat and kicked him in the nuts.  

Why the American civil war references? Simple, you correctly state this is a civil war.  Indeed it is.  You can misread your enemy and be too soft at first.  In 1861 Lincoln told the south they could retain slavery if they peacefully rejoined the union, not too unlike Putin's soft pitch in Feb that if Ukraine stopped shelling Donbass, declared neutrality and accepted Minsk that he wouldn't invade.

As for Ukraine not existing, well they haven't reached that point of political will just yet.  The longer this thing lasts, especially if Surovikin is as successful on the ground as he is in the air, I think that political will will be cultivated.

We are already seeing Suvorikin informing Ukraine that war is hell, and so while this civil war is messy and mistakes have been made and will continue to be made I think Russia will prevail.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:No massive offensives? I don't like the sound of that. This "slowly grinding the enemy down" bullshit is not working as Ukraine will always have enough replacements and weaponry, since the West will fight to the last Ukrainian. I hope this is a trick by the general to confuse the Ukrainians. While Ukraine takes massive amounts of land, Russia only takes very little and goes too slow imo.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1582425749948346369

I can't believe what he's saying, almost like he was told what to say

And it's the same shit you hear from the pro Ukrainians on the forum, and in the west

That we are one people, and we cannot harm the poor hohols

Seriously , the jews are not controlling anything- the Ukrainians are

I am appalled by how much support they have in all nations, they control Canada, USA, Russia, Poland

The Ukros have supporters here, who consider them to be brotherly people

Crypto Ukros are everywhere,  

I have been called 6th column for supporting donations to our military men

And those who say so were giving money to Ukrainian relatives before the war started

One cannot understand how much I hate Ukraine

billybatts91 wrote:

I had high hopes on Surovikin but after this interview today, I am not so sure. Is this Putin's view as well? One people? We're way past that, there's no such thing as brotherly relations with pro-Western Ukrainians (who are the majority in Ukraine). WTF is going on? I am very confused by this messaging from Russia.

ALAMO wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:[

Oh bro, as you are putting honey to my ears, please do more.
Like the stories of rapes&murder spread by both sides, totally figured out and irrelevant?
The stories of mighty offensives, like burning the Capitol?
Oh boy oh boy oh boy, we have already been there, and seen that! Only in history books.

Transport aircraft sized tiltrotors would be enormously vulnerable to ground fire, and not cheap to develop and produce.

caveat emptor wrote:
Yes to both. Still, i don't see any mass surrender on Ukrainian side because of the rhetoric or any lack of willingness for fight. The way it is presented, it looks like some aliens abducted Ukrainian nation. I'm not sure what percent of people on home front (in Russia) share this view, atm.

caveat emptor wrote:
I don't believe that many Ukrainians (not more than 20% outside Donbas and few other regions) share this view. All these historical concepts of Malorossia, Novorossia are things of past. Things have changed completely, lets move on. I'm sure you can find some percentage of people in Lvov or Ternopil that don't agree with present Ukrainian policies, but they are in minority.
Ukraine has been, by far, Putin's biggest blunder in foreign policy.