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    Russian population and demographics #2

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:55 pm

    @Kiko: I propose that you may want to follow Scorpius's advices and make a detailed list of what do you expect and what is your vision when you want to live in Russia, including your plan for career prospects. Aim to be very specific and make detailed, tangible criteria that is measurable and examinable.

    So that you can have a good plan to go and live successfully not only in Russia but also in where-ever you want to live.

    If there is no personal secrets that we should never peek and if you do not mind our annoying Pandora eyes, may be you may want to make the list here in this thread, so that Russian members of the forum can provide you assistance and suggestions ?


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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:55 pm

    I know a guy from Chilie who moved to Russia and lives in Moscow. His daughter got married recently to a guy from Moscow.

    Anyway, he has a great life. Mind you he is paid well.

    That said, where would you recommend, Scorpius, in Russia that would be much easier for foreigners?

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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:08 pm

    I would say stick to the major cities. They are cosmopolitan. I would no say that the rural areas are chauvinist against foreigners, but it is easier
    to fit into large urban context. Moving to Russia entails a culture shock and this includes learning the language. Migration is traumatic no matter
    where you go.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:21 am

    kvs wrote:I would say stick to the major cities.   They are cosmopolitan.   I would no say that the rural areas are chauvinist against foreigners, but it is easier
    to fit into large urban context.    Moving to Russia entails a culture shock and this includes learning the language.   Migration is traumatic no matter
    where you go.    
    I agree. For a foreigner the big cities are easier.
    Furthermore it is much easier if it is a city with a consulate from your own country.

    Rural areas could be difficult also in your own country but in a different region.

    Going in the US states away from the two coasts has been much more of a culture shock for me... And I was there only a few months. In comparison I really liked Moscow (but I was there only for a month and with mild weather) but anyway I would find myself much more at ease in Moscow, Sankt Petersburg (apart from the weather) or Kazan, then in New York city or Los Angeles.

    After finishing university I was considering looking for a job in Russia but it would have been complicated and probably underpaid in my field.

    I survived in other foreign countries and when I arrived here my German was worse than my Russian so in case there could be opportunities in the future, why not?

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    Post  Kiko Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:03 pm

    Russians increasingly abstaining from alcohol – poll, 10.08.2024.

    The culture of alcohol consumption in the country has shifted significantly, a survey has found.

    The percentage of Russians who don’t drink alcohol has nearly doubled over the past two decades, according to a poll published by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VCIOM) on Monday.

    Over 1,600 adults were surveyed over the phone last month, revealing that “more and more [Russians] demonstrate a commitment to a sober lifestyle.” The amount of people who abstain from drinking has risen to 48%, up from 27% recorded in 2004.

    ”A marked shift has occurred in the culture of alcohol consumption in Russia,” VCIOM said. Generational changes, active anti-alcohol policies, and changes in what is perceived as fashionable were given as factors behind the shift.

    Russians now also prefer lighter alcoholic drinks such as beer and wine instead of spirits such as vodka, VCIOM reported. Twenty years ago, 33% of respondents said they prefer vodka, but now only 11% say they do.

    The main reason for drinking has remained unchanged, with 38% of Russians in 2024 and 2004 turning to alcohol to relieve stress.

    According to VCIOM, drinking alcohol is now no longer widely perceived as part of Russian culture, with only 7% of respondents considering it a national tradition, as opposed to 20% in 2004.

    In December, the Russian government introduced a new roadmap to reducing alcohol consumption by 12.3% per capita by 2030. The Health Ministry noted that under the previous 2009-2020 plan, alcohol consumption fell by nearly 49%.

    The government has sought to reduce morbidity, disability, and mortality caused by alcohol consumption by promoting a healthy lifestyle and developing alcohol abuse prevention systems.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/605424-russians-abstain-drunking-alcohol/

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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:57 pm

    Good news. I found it absurd how social gatherings typically involved setting out bottles of vodka. Not beer or wine, but vodka. Having a good time
    should not entail passing out under the table or on the street.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 09, 2024 3:52 am

    I'm having to abstain from alcohol but that's mostly because of the migraines I get nowadays from consuming cheap beer or wine. Getting older I guess. Funnily enough the expensive stuff is still good but I'm not much of a connoisseur for expensive beers and wines. Whisky maybe.

    Nevertheless I'm tempted to just go back to vodka after all, I'm assuming I won't get the headache problems from that
    And, there's something timeless about that classic Russian style pirat

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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:30 am

    The stats said they mostly drink because of stress... that in itself is sad because getting drunk is unlikely to solve their problems, but on the positive side a reduction in stress in Russian society is probably part of what is reducing the consumption of booze.

    Never really understood the appeal of alcohol myself... the more I drank the more I heard myself say stupid things and do stupid things... and the end payoff is a headache...

    Still, I suppose it is better than being medicated like much of modern American society seems to be...

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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:45 pm

    @flamming

    If you can control the amount of alcohol you ingest, then vodka is not a problem. But nobody drinks a tiny bit of it at parties. The volume of fluid
    consumed does contribute. Less alcohol content is better.

    Your migranes may indicate a sensitivity to various other poisons in the wine and beer that are not alcohol. Your safest bet is distilled water. Personally,
    I do not drink alcohol since I never liked it. I never a got a "buzz" from it, more like headaches. This goes together with having a Type II diabetes
    metabolism. This type is more prone to digest the alcohol and more is required to get inebriated. This is why alcoholism is worse in aboriginal and other
    communities which also have metabolic syndrome predisposition.

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:58 pm

    sepheronx wrote:That said, where would you recommend, Scorpius, in Russia that would be much easier for foreigners?

    In fact, there is no magical place specifically for foreigners. Everyone has their own preferences.
    The most cosmopolitan cities, of course, are Moscow and St. Petersburg, but nothing prevents anyone from settling somewhere in a small village in the Vladimir region, or on the shores of Lake Baikal, or anywhere else.
    One of the main criteria, of course, is the fact that you have savings and income. Do you plan to work? Can you work remotely? What salary are you interested in?
    What kind of climate do you like? Do you want to be in constant contact with society, or do you need a more secluded, private life?
    These and hundreds of other questions can determine where you should move to (or perhaps you shouldn't waste time moving to a place where you would feel uncomfortable).

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    Post  Arrow Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:38 pm

    "Population dynamics in Russia in January-August 2024 compared to the same period in 2023.

    Number of births: decline from 850,187 to 823,113 children (-3.2%);
    Number of deaths: increase from 1,169,719 to 1,221,613 in 2024 (+4.4%);
    Natural population decline: increase from 319,532 to 398,500 people;

    Birth rate: moderate decrease from 1.45 children per woman on average to 1.44 with 2.08 required for population replacement.

    At the same time, in August, a decrease in the number of births was recorded by 12.2% compared to the same period last year, from 123,546 to 108,456. It follows that the TFR specifically in the last month of summer fell from 1.45 to 1.30 children per woman - the worst value since 2005."

    It looks bad for Russia Rolling Eyes

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    Post  par far Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:12 am

    Arrow wrote:"Population dynamics in Russia in January-August 2024 compared to the same period in 2023.

    Number of births: decline from 850,187 to 823,113 children (-3.2%);
    Number of deaths: increase from 1,169,719 to 1,221,613 in 2024 (+4.4%);
    Natural population decline: increase from 319,532 to 398,500 people;

    Birth rate: moderate decrease from 1.45 children per woman on average to 1.44 with 2.08 required for population replacement.

    At the same time, in August, a decrease in the number of births was recorded by 12.2% compared to the same period last year, from 123,546 to 108,456. It follows that the TFR specifically in the last month of summer fell from 1.45 to 1.30 children per woman - the worst value since 2005."

    It looks bad for Russia Rolling Eyes


    Follow Hungary's plan, they gave a lot of money to families.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:18 am

    Russia already gives lots of money for children.

    It needs to be a decline in divorce rates and a change in female mentality (removing feminism) in order to change this.  Otherwise, wont work.

    Mind you, I don't really believe a single bit of these statistics.  Russia's population been declining since the 90's, all the way up to 150M population now.  This is also not including the new regions yet. All from a nation that had a population of, at best, 100M back before WW2. Hell, before WW1.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:44 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Mind you, I don't really believe a single bit of these statistics.  Russia's population been declining since the 90's, all the way up to 150M population now.  This is also not including the new regions yet.  All from a nation that had a population of, at best, 100M back before WW2.  Hell, before WW1.

    But you should believe int it, as those are coming from Rosstat data.
    And are only just one more brilliant example of western propaganda and how a statistics can be use for recalling the reality.

    What they are doing here, is a master class of manipulation that uses real data to prove a fraud.

    Indeed the number of deceased, born etc are valid.
    But what was a base?

    After 2014, Russia gained about 5 mln new citizens, including both Crimea and Ukrainians migrating into it.
    We don't add the republics, as those are separate entities.
    After 2023, we shall add about 7-10 mlns more, living in both republics and "historical territories".
    All that combined, gives us a total Russian Federation population in a range of +/-155 mln people.
    Of which 10 or more are unrecognized by the west Laughing
    But are legitimately recognized by the Rosstat, and all the numbers already include the effect of this giant, 7% hike of the population of the whole of Federation in one blow.

    If you apply the numbers valid for 155 mln and compare it to 144 mln basis - sure that you will have hikes of the basics.
    The number of newborns is a bad example indeed.
    But all that Gen Z, Gen X and other crap applies perfectly well to the Russian society.
    This is the reason, nothing else.

    Let's take fertility as an example.
    First and foremost, we can have an issue with finding solid data, as for Russia it varies from 1.41 up to 1.84.
    Let's say we take for granted World Bank data for 2024 - those are somehow in the "lower middle" Twisted Evil
    Fertility at 1.51 level (but those are just one of the numbers, in metadane and statists you can find a totally different picture) is nothing to be proud of.
    But how it applies to 1.3 in let's say Poland? Embarassed
    Or 1.1 in Taiwan ?!?

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:06 am

    Few million people from Central Asian stans obtained Russian passport during last 10+ years.

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