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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:17 am

    mnztr wrote:Apparently there are 300 US troops in Ukraine now. Would the US have informed Russia about their presence and location? The claim is they are there to account for US military aid. This is probably bullshit. Surely Russia can find out where they are through spies and take them out. After all the US is sending weapons to kill Russians, why would there be any professional courtesy granted?

    Austin and Shoigu held a phone call just a couple of weeks ago, and agreed to keep in contact

    No doubt among other things this US presence was either on the agenda, or was being explained, or something or other

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:30 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Apparently there are 300 US troops in Ukraine now. Would the US have informed Russia about their presence and location? The claim is they are there to account for US military aid. This is probably bullshit. Surely Russia can find out where they are through spies and take them out. After all the US is sending weapons to kill Russians, why would there be any professional courtesy granted?

    Austin and Shoigu held a phone call just a couple of weeks ago, and agreed to keep in contact

    No doubt among other things this US presence was either on the agenda, or was being explained, or something or other

    Doesn't matter. The US was and is openly promoting death to Russians. Time to do same back.  Who cares about some limp dick asshole in US. Russians are fighting this and the US has zero rights here.

    I doubt the number is even close to 300 men. But if there is, it isn't a surprise as there were way more brits, US and others jut either fled or were "volunteers".

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:42 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Apparently there are 300 US troops in Ukraine now. Would the US have informed Russia about their presence and location? The claim is they are there to account for US military aid. This is probably bullshit. Surely Russia can find out where they are through spies and take them out. After all the US is sending weapons to kill Russians, why would there be any professional courtesy granted?

    Austin and Shoigu held a phone call just a couple of weeks ago, and agreed to keep in contact

    No doubt among other things this US presence was either on the agenda, or was being explained, or something or other

    Doesn't matter. The US was and is openly promoting death to Russians. Time to do same back.  Who cares about some limp dick asshole in US. Russians are fighting this and the US has zero rights here.

    I doubt the number is even close to 300 men. But if there is, it isn't a surprise as there were way more brits, US and others jut either fled or were "volunteers".

    Well I suspect whatever it is they're busy with there, they won't be touched. And I'm sure, won't pose a threat to any Russian operations either.
    And if Russia does advance on Kiev again, then they will be given time to evacuate, as happened with NATO forces in the country in the weeks leading up to Feb 24th.

    The 'volunteers' on the other hand, and anyone else there unofficially, do pose a threat - but then they're fair game aren't they.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:06 am

    VARGR198 wrote:

    There were some very interesting materials revealed from the storming of the strongpoints.
    One of those was a multi-level raised position dug with tranches, with leaders to relocate between the levels. Arising a good 10m above the surrounding area. I will try to find it, the storming was devastating.
    Yet we can call that an end of a saga ...

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    Post  nomadski Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:50 am


    Several photo posted show that tracked vehicles are able to make at least one pass over fields , without getting stuck . Second vehicle passing over same ground or Road is shown avoiding the same track , following fresh ground in fields instead . So Americans in uniform delivering supplies are immune from attack ? Fair enough , but they have to inform Russia of their exact location ( LOL ) while delivering supplies , and Russia must inform them of exact time , the said supplies are going to be smoked ! If Americans are dishonest or careless , then it is not Russia's fault if their uniforms need being sent to laundry . Negotiate by all means , but not with Nazi elements , and not simply optics , but with officers in the field , at least in how the Ukrs can make orderly withdrawals from Russian regions .

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    Post  bandit6 Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:05 am

    [quote="sepheronx"][quote="flamming_python"]
    mnztr wrote:

    Doesn't matter. The US was and is openly promoting death to Russians. Time to do same back.  Who cares about some limp dick asshole in US. Russians are fighting this and the US has zero rights here.

    I doubt the number is even close to 300 men. But if there is, it isn't a surprise as there were way more brits, US and others jut either fled or were "volunteers".

    The reason USA can kill Russians at will is because they are the greatest and only Superpower in the world. China is sneakily trying to rise up but they can be seen lurking and if they get too uppity they will be stomped on real quick.

    Just like Syria and now in Ukraine the only thing Russia can do is just bend over and take it

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:16 am

    bandit6 wrote:The reason USA can kill Russians at will is because they are the greatest and only Superpower in the world. China is sneakily trying to rise up but they can be seen lurking and if they get too uppity they will be stomped on real quick.

    Just like Syria and now in Ukraine the only thing Russia can do is just bend over and take it

    No the United States cannot, and vice-versa

    Maybe you are in awe and cower before them but Russians do not

    There is mutual courtesy between the US and Russia, to not kill each other officially else it will quickly escalate to bigger and bigger weapons. But unofficially is fair game, as in the Ukraine, as in Vietnam, as in Korea.

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    Post  crod Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:18 am

    bandit6 wrote:

    The reason USA can kill Russians at will is because they are the greatest and only Superpower in the world. China is sneakily trying to rise up but they can be seen lurking and if they get too uppity they will be stomped on real quick.

    Just like Syria and now in Ukraine the only thing Russia can do is just bend over and take it

    The name’s Bandit, Arse-Bandit

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:20 am

    bandit6 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    mnztr wrote:

    Doesn't matter. The US was and is openly promoting death to Russians. Time to do same back.  Who cares about some limp dick asshole in US. Russians are fighting this and the US has zero rights here.

    I doubt the number is even close to 300 men. But if there is, it isn't a surprise as there were way more brits, US and others jut either fled or were "volunteers".

    The reason USA can kill Russians at will is because they are the greatest and only Superpower in the world. China is sneakily trying to rise up but they can be seen lurking and if they get too uppity they will be stomped on real quick.

    Just like Syria and now in Ukraine the only thing Russia can do is just bend over and take it


    22 posts in 7 years. I have to admit that you are the real "superpower" of this forum...
    I can't keep quiet about this kind of idiocy..
    That one "superpower" of yours did not have a single clear military victory for the entire history of its existence, so the whole world forgave them even the two atomic bombs dropped over Japan. They knew even then that they were pussies and that the Japanese would have cut them up like rabbits if they had launched a land invasion.

    And to add something unrelated to this crowbar is that winter is coming, I was freezing just looking at pictures of Ekaterinburg a few minutes ago. Beyond the Urals in the Asian part of Russia, temperatures are falling. The frosts are coming to Moscow from next Monday, and when they already come to Moscow, it means that winter will also move in the western direction - towards Ukroshitstan and EUtopia. The temperature in Yakutsk is currently -26 and it's only the beginning of fucking November...

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    Post  auslander Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:45 am

    At roughly 10:32 heavy firing from just outside Sevastopol harbor. Missiles and heavy machine guns joining in the fray. Local news will report more as it becomes more available.

    Auslander & VCO

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:23 am

    Khodakovskiy is a soldier risking his life by assaulting fortifications .Martyanov is a boomer on a desk. Im leaning towards trusting the former

    I tend to trust those that have a proven record of being trustworthy... a soldier on the front line does not see the big picture and likely does not know what other soldiers are doing let alone what is supposed to be achieved... for all we know he is being told to say this to make it appear there are problems in the Russian military... or maybe there just are.

    It really shows how cowardly and evil America and co are to force others to fight their proxy wars for them. Esp when they categorically know those soldiers are being killed in vast numbers.

    They have a long history of recruiting "allies" for their conflicts... coalition of the willing sounds so much better than cannon fodder resource of the stupid and gullible...

    Or their name in short hand... Suckers...


    But it's not just being mentioned by the Ukies is it. Multiple channels and sources were spreading the fakes, rumours and panic-mongering.

    Same as what happens here... lots of members jump the gun and assume it is all real and the sky is now falling and critical people tell them... so what if it is real... this is war... you can't expect to have no problems at all, or no mistakes... and then other more patient members find those initial posts are refuted and post the real story here.

    Sadly the same actors playing the same roles over and over so the doom sayers never mention they were wrong and post corrections... they almost forget the corrections and continue on like the Orcs are winning... hense their DS badges.

    US secret talks seems real but only a part of the administration is for it. That's only some propositions to Ukrainians with no coordination with russian side.

    Russia will never accept it. Minimum is to take all Donbas. Below that Putin is dead. They won't forgive him for the losses if he takes only that low territory. They barely moved into ukraine if you compare the borders from before the war.

    The talks are secret because the US does not want the world to know Kiev is fucked and that the US is trying to find a way out for them so they can keep using them for bio weapons testing and as cannon fodder meat shields to counter Russia in Europe.

    They can make any offer they please... I rather doubt Putin is listening till he has what he wants.

    I suspect the Americans are starting to realise Russia can keep this all up a hell of a lot longer than the US can, and that Putin is essentially correct when he said the longer you leave the peace deal the worse the terms are going to be for Kiev... which actually creates a sense of urgency for the west because what they wanted they had with the Minsk agreements which are totally off the table now and wont be coming back.

    All that nonsense aside....how good is this, the self loading is awesome as is the folding in after use. My favourite clip of this conflict thus far. It's the tidieness of it.

    Cheap simple command guided missiles carried by Hinds in the 1980s... it carries a mix of Shturm and Ataka missiles with 600mm or 850mm of penetration out to 5-6km repectively.

    Cheap and simple with good mobility on an MTLB artillery tractor chassis.

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    Post  famschopman Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:09 am

    Serious but perhaps stupid question, why is everyone on the battlefield wearing balaklava's, e.g. 'face hiding gear'. I can imagine it's nice when it's cold, but even when it wasn't that cold everyone was wearing it.
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:28 am

    famschopman wrote:Serious but perhaps stupid question, why is everyone on the battlefield wearing balaklava's,  e.g. 'face hiding gear'. I can imagine it's nice when it's cold, but even when it wasn't that cold everyone was wearing it.

    Camo = humans are extremely well tuned to recognizing a human face (eyes, nose, mouth, the shadows a face casts), even in peripheral vision. This tendency is also responsible for paredolia (seeing faces in clouds/smoke, fried pancakes and whatever).

    Prevent doxxing etc = cyber trolls are always afoot and if someone can be IDd you bet their family and friends will be instantly harassed.

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:56 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Camo = humans are extremely well tuned to recognizing a human face (eyes, nose, mouth, the shadows a face casts), even in peripheral vision. This tendency is also responsible for paredolia (seeing faces in clouds/smoke, fried pancakes and whatever).

    Prevent doxxing etc = cyber trolls are always afoot and if someone can be IDd you bet their family and friends will be instantly harassed.

    This is also a reason why animals (predators) mostly never have white in their eyes, because the white in the eye is something that sooner or later is easily recognized by a potential prey.

    We humans still have sometimes this odd feeling someone is watching us and most of the time is because somewhere in peripheral view we had a single image of eyes and subcontinental our brain knows if this short peripheral glance of eyes was remotely watching at us or not. It's evolution that brought us this survival instinct.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:16 pm

    Lancet
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:19 pm

    Werewolf wrote:We humans still have sometimes this odd feeling someone is watching us and most of the time is because somewhere in peripheral view we had a single image of eyes and subcontinental our brain knows if this short peripheral glance of eyes was remotely watching at us or not. It's evolution that brought us this survival instinct.

    In Feudal Japan, Ninjas tasked with assassination would look down or away when waiting in ambush, relying more on their peripheral vision themselves until it was time to strike, precisely because looking directly at the target might alert the target's own subconscious sense that somebody is watching them

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    Post  Hole Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:22 pm

    famschopman wrote:Serious but perhaps stupid question, why is everyone on the battlefield wearing balaklava's,  e.g. 'face hiding gear'. I can imagine it's nice when it's cold, but even when it wasn't that cold everyone was wearing it.
    COVID

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:28 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    In Feudal Japan, Ninjas tasked with assassination would look down or away when waiting in ambush, relying more on their peripheral vision themselves until it was time to strike, precisely because looking directly at the target might alert the target's own subconscious sense that somebody is watching them

    That is true. Others have used a masks with very small and narrow holes for the eyes which were often used in eastern countries for shock and awe purposes. By these small shaped eye holes the eyes were invisible but did give enough vision for assassins. Of course most of todays representations of historical japanese assassin's masks are overly exaggerated or have inspiration from animes, but they indeed made them look like demons for the terrorizing and in some cases paralyzing effect. In times were people believed in demons that can come at night it was useful in assassinations of certain people.

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    The other method still used is dark nets on helmets, masks or just "burkha" like style to cover the entire face and with it the revealing bright white in the eye.
    Snipers use nets today all the time and gullie suites are nothing different just with entire body camoflauge effect. Arabians and especially historical ottoman assassins used "Arafatka"s all the time to cover their faces from sand and the dry harsh climates, however some were designed specifically with a small section with a fine net for the eyes.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:36 pm

    I'm reading on Twatter that the Kherson area today has been utterly and completely disastrous. . . .




















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    Post  auslander Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:07 pm

    Rumors are becoming extant that various US airborne units are beginning to cross in to south west and north west 404. If so, this will get somewhat nasty in short order.

    "A senior US Department of Defense official (as usual, un-named) confirmed that Pentagon has deployed active-duty military personnel in Ukraine. This is the first time that a US defense official has officially acknowledged the presence of US military personnel in Ukraine.


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    Post  billybatts91 Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:07 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:I'm reading on Twatter that the Kherson area today has been utterly and completely disastrous. . . .

    For Ukraine


    Give us some links...
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    Post  auslander Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:09 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:I'm reading on Twatter that the Kherson area today has been utterly and completely disastrous.

    Do elucidate as you can.





















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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:24 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:I'm reading on Twatter that the Kherson area today has been utterly and completely disastrous. . . .

    For Ukraine


    Give us some links...

    https://twitter.com/SprinterMonitor/status/1589971493475463170?t=4jf9oMz3djcAn-rj5Rk6aQ&s=19

    https://twitter.com/ilciclistainblu/status/1589956711137546245?t=vvRo9labkhWOtf9eF1F0Zw&s=19

    Sorry for the delay, lots of stuff this morning such as voting for new criminals to go to DC who will forget any and all promises they made as soon as the ballots are counted.

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