Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

Big_Gazza wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote: I guarantee you that at least 50% of the population in Kharkov, Odessa or Nikolaev should NEVER join the RF - it would cause enormous damage.
At least 50% of Ukroshitstans will never be your brothers again, FP - forget it.

No problem.  Once Russia takes over Kharkov, these people are asked to LEAVE.

If they don't, then they shall be... encouraged... to rethink their decision.

Better still, give them the Operation Storm treatment, as per Krajina.  If its OK for Croatia to openly ethnically cleanse unwanted population, I don't see why Russia shouldn't. War is Hell.
Bad shit happens.  Oh well., c'est la vie.  

I already like your solution to the problem !
I too thought about Kharkov, Odessa or Nikolaev in the first 2 to 3 months, but I see that no high-ranking official of the Russian state has declared in that direction.
The Russians have given no indication from the outset that they want to go in that direction.

ALAMO wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:
FP, you often wrote in your messages that Russians and Ukrainians are "the same people" and I agree with you, but it is obvious that they renounced their ancestors (a good part of the population), so now a good part of that population is openly against Russia.
And yes, my opinion is that Communism has done more harm to Russia and the Russian people than all the wars Russia has ever been in. The Russians were the only ones who loved the USSR while it existed, just as the Serbs were the only ones who loved the SFRY - they both lived for utopia.

I deny this logic bro.
The results of Soviet wide referendum were crystal clear.
Nation of the Soviet Union denied the concept of it's dissolution.
With all the nations of the Nation.
It was granted to them, unasked and unwilled.
Some people didn't believe in that for a long time, including the Kazachs.
Most of the smaller nations thrown under the bus of ethnic rage in Abchazia or Transnistria, Nakhchivan or Osetia, or the @stans enclaves that exist to this very day, would give everything to bring the Soviet authority coverage over them.
It was a money loundering operation, in opposite to the people's will and interest.

The results in Ukraine of the referendum of March 17, 1991 for the preservation of the USSR are very clear
Obviously the USSR needed changes to modernize, to go from an industrial economy to a service economy.

Without the USSR, Russia would have been a country with African indicators exploited by the West as it had been until the corrupt and inoperative Tsarist regime was thrown out
There is no place in the "European common house" for Russia except as a colony of Germany, Gorbachev was either a fool who took the bait or was a traitor.
The EU is only the IV Reich with the best propaganda

The federalization of the USSR seems to have been done wrong in 2022, but the situation in 1922 for the USSR was critical, after 8 years of war and 300 years of Romanov

Stalin summed it up very well in 1922: Either we industrialize or we will disappear within 20 years.

Nazism was not implanted by chance in Germany, Ostpolitik was not invented by Hitler but by Bismarck
The ruling class in Germany today is the same ruling class as it was when the Nazis were around and the intentions towards Russia have not changed since 1870

Podlodka77 wrote:
I already like your solution to the problem !  
I too thought about Kharkov, Odessa or Nikolaev in the first 2 to 3 months, but I see that no high-ranking official of the Russian state has declared in that direction.
The Russians have given no indication from the outset that they want to go in that direction.

The war in Ukraine will last for years, the economy will be destroyed and de-industrialized and the population will be reduced by emigration.
The pro-Westerns, liberals and LGTB´s will go to the West and will not return
Kiev does not need 4 million inhabitants. half come from Galicia, with 500,000 real Russians, as a regional center of an agricultural district it is more than enough

The pro-Russians and pro-Soviet old people will not leave and even many will return from Russia when the economy is rebuilt, which will no longer be an industrial economy but an agricultural economy in the center and tourist economy on the coast
For this you don't need a country of 40 million inhabitants, only about 16-18 million, half of them in the Donbass (Donetsk+Lugansk+Jarkov), the only area that will preserve industry.
In the rest of the interior Oblast you only need a few hundred thousand to cultivate the land, in fact there are some oblasts that today only have 700,000 inhabitants, most of them retired

Those who have "mova" as their mother tongue will be deprived of Russian nationality and will not be able to hold any political office or employment in the public sector, in the way that is done in Latvia or Estonia with the Russo-speaking minority.

Ukraine will be Russian because it will be rebuilt with Russian capital and in capitalism whoever has the capital can shape the population at their convenience

Big_Gazza wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Kharkov was indeed a screw up because there was no forces in the area and it was empty space Ukraine to take.  Why don't they want Kharkov? Dunno.

Too few troops to fully man the entire extended frontline, due to the self-imposed restrictions of the SMO.  Kharkov was not a priority.

In any case, Russia apparently destroyed some ~40% of the manpower and equipment the Ukies allocated to their Kharkov offensive.  Thats how a war of attrition is waged.  One side is progressively losing its military strength, and it ain't the Ruskies

Russia fights as close to its borders as possible and as far as possible from NATO bases.

The same difficulties that the Russian group had in Kherson are multiplied by 5 by the NATO bridgehead on the eastern side of the Dnieper

Furthermore, moving the scene of the fighting to sieges causes more cities to be destroyed, just what the globalist bastards want (why do you think Dresden and other eastern cities were bombed in 1945?)
Russia already assumes that Donbass will be destroyed and will have to be rebuilt, it is not necessary to expand the war to other places

blowing up more bridges over the Dnieper can prevent NATO from sending more troops and material to the left bank of the Dnieper
The sooner the war in the South ends, the sooner the war begins in the Belarus/Kaliningrad scenario.

The Yankees would like to split the Ukraine by the Dnieper and that kyiv would remain as Berlin in 1945

West Berlin was a Trojan horse in the GDR and the entire Warsaw Pact

NATO must be expelled not only from Ukraine but from all of Europe and it will be up to us Europeans to fight against the AngloZionist to regain freedom

AMCXXL wrote:[

the people of Kherson receive Zelensky as he deserves

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1592191579674103810?s=20&t=foPbN3qpWYADdjbfwK2yOQ

Fake added sound video. The original full video doesn't have anyone shouting anything.
The Russian side is alarmingly resorting to crappy fakes and half-truths. Stop.

In other news, Ukraine received 10 M113s with 120mm mortars and couple of fire-control versions too. All I can say who served in one of them, hope they will give them spare parts, but I doubt they will survive that long to need them. Ukraine is becoming graveyard of various equipment.

Firebird wrote:Even in 2014, when Russia had neglected the Western introduced poison for decades, HALF of the country was pro Russian. Remember the last LEGITIMATE govt chose to join the Eurasian Union.

Infact there was also the Communist element which was even more "pro Russian" ie pro Union than the pro Russian Party of the Regions. Odessa, Kharkov etc were just as pro russian as much of Donetsk etc.

This is basic fact, confirmable even from scummy Western sources.
Remove the minority of filth and in any event, these places would happily join the Ru Fedn.

For anyone to claim otherwise is plain bizarre.

When the ground freezes Russia needs to step on the gas, and on some Banderite skulls.

Yes, the Soviet factor unites Ukraine more with Russia than Russian chauvinism
IF you see the Ukrainians receive the allied troops more with flags of victory or of the USSR than with Russian flags
In fact, the Russian anthem preserves the music of the USSR because it is an emotional link with the majority of the Eurasian population, born mostly under the USSR

When Russia defeats NATO it will be perceived by many as strong and positive
Keep in mind that many were pro-Western perceived the West as stronger and assumed Western narratives to be valid, but that will change quickly, just as many collaborated with the Nazis by perceiving them as the strong but then quickly switched sides when the Naazis they began to lose

One complete brigade (about 2000 men) obliterated in Pavlovka

https://t.me/Tatarinov_R/2276
The Pavlovka area is littered with the corpses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: OBTF "Kaskad" and Marines of the Pacific Fleet cleared 18 enemy strongholds
There were approximately 40 militants at each stronghold, 3 more companies defended Pavlovka itself, enemy losses approached a thousand killed and captured.
Soldiers of the OBTF "Kaskad" (Internal Troops and Special Forces of the Ministry of State Security of the DPR), together with marines from Kamchatka and Primorye, are advancing on Ugledar.

https://t.me/Tatarinov_R/2297
Map with forty taken oporniks (bulwarks) in the settlement of Pavlovka ... In each, an infantry squadron (section) with ATGMs and weapons from NATO for 2 world wars is buried ...

I must sat that the large number of defeatist fools here is concerning, The traitors can all be driven out or killed in ongoing counter insurgency operations leaving Ukraine with a 100% Russian population and leaving those traitors that fled to the same fate as the rest of the atlanticist croud, nuclear annihilation.

Podlodka77 wrote: I guarantee you that at least 50% of the population in Kharkov, Odessa or Nikolaev should NEVER join the RF - it would cause enormous damage.
At least 50% of Ukroshitstans will never be your brothers again, FP - forget it.

I doubt it, what happened is that the ruling class in Russia miserably abandoned the people of Donbass, Kharkov, Odessa, etc... they only thought about their lucrative business with the West
The city with the most pro-Westerns and Zionists in Dnipro that will have to be absolutely de-industrialized and razed to the ground, the population must go to Siberia where 4 or 5 new cities must be founded

Kharkov could have been defended in 2014 since the border is 25km away and there are rivers around it to facilitate defensive lines.


The deputies from Kharkov:
- They declare the formation of the People's Republic of Kharkov (4/7/14)
- They send a statement to Russia to guarantee the independence of the Republic and guarantee the referendum



Berkut from Kharkov on behalf of the people, however they had no weapons

Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 14 Nov 2022

#Kursk and #Belgorod Regions:

In the #Belgorod region, Ukrainian militants shelled residential buildings and civilian facilities in the villages of #Borki, #Kozinka, #Shchigorevka and #Leninsky. There were no civilian casualties.

Air defence systems intercepted some shells of the enemy in #Belgorod, Belgorod region, #Valuysky and #Yakovlevsky urban districts. Four Russian soldiers of the motorized infantry were wounded.

In the morning, the enemy militants struck the village of Popovo-Lezhachi and the adjacent village of #Tetkino in the #Kursk region. Damage was caused to residential buildings and a sugar factory. There were no casualties.

In the morning hours, a Russian Armed Forces sapper died after detonating a mine while reconnoitring the border area in #Kursk region. Two other soldiers were wounded.

Later in the day, an Ukrainian drone dropped an explosive device on an apartment building in the village of #Zamostye. The explosion damaged the roof, windows and a car parked nearby car. Civilians were not injured.

#Starobelsk Direction:

In the #Lyman sector, Ukrainian units continue to advance on #Kremennaya from two directions. Russian troops are obstructing the enemy's advance and carrying out preemptive artillery strikes.

The Ukrainian command is moving reserves to compensate for losses and reinforce the advancing group.

#Soledar Direction (MAP):

In the #Bakhmut area, assault units of the 53rd Mechanized Brigade made another offensive attempt against RFU positions west of #Otradovka and #Zaitsevo, which failed again.

The Ukrainian command moved a tank reserve of the 53rd Mechanized Brigade to the southwest of #Bakhmut, as a breakthrough into the AFU defensive positions near #Opytnoye was imminent.

#Lugansk People's Republic:

Ukrainian militants shelled the villages of #Vrubovka and #Volcheyarovka in the Popasnyansky district with cannon artillery and tanks. One man was wounded.

#Donetsk Direction:

Ukrainian militants shelled the #Donetsk agglomeration. Residential buildings and civilian infrastructure in #Donetsk, #Makeyevka, #Yakovlevka, #Yasynuvata and other localities in the region were hit. At the same time, Ukrainian HIMARS MLRS fired 14 missiles at the towns of #Ilovaysk and #Torez, damaging a hospital. There are civilian fatalities.

#Southdonetsk Direction:

Marines of the Pacific Fleet and the DPR OBTF have completed the cleansing of the #Pavlovka village.

Ukrainian artillery from positions at #Ugledar is regularly striking Russian forces and preventing further advance.

#Zaporozhye Direction:

The AFU command continues to move personnel and armoured vehicles to forward positions across the front.

Artillery duels continue along the line of contact. Russian forces shelled enemy positions in #Olgovskoye, #Zaliznichnoye, #Temirovka, #Gulyaypole and other places.

#Kherson Direction on Southern Front:

Zelensky and other Ukrainian politicians arrived in Kherson for events after the city came under AFU control.

Russian troops hit enemy facilities in the port area of #Ochakov.

Vessels and some of the personnel of a sabotage group that had tried to land on the Kinburn spit were destroyed.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/20353

Footage of Ukrainian militants bullying the residents of Kherson began to appear on the Internet.

In this case, the reason for the capture of the citizen was the Soviet Military ID card, which many Ukrainians have, and almost a third of those mobilised into the AFU. But these reprisals are not random or spontaneous. They are organized by the occupation authorities in order to intimidate the population remaining in the occupied part of the Kherson region, to whom the AFU have a distrustful attitude.

Yesterday, the gauleiter of Kherson [pro-ukrainian major — trans.] announced that the city centre would be closed for demining operations. However, as it became known, the reason was not a demining works, but the arrival of Zelensky. It should be recalled that in Izyum the inhabitants did not welcome the buffoon too warmly, and there were some disapproving outcries towards him. To avoid such event, Kherson residents were not allowed into the city centre, but groups of Nazis and deputies of the party "Servant of the People" arrived from Kiev to play the part of an enthusiastic crowd. Hence the careful selection of journalists covering the event.

Incidentally, only those journalists, social activists and politicians whose names are on special lists, who have undergone special vetting and signed non-disclosure pledges, will continue to be allowed into the city. A strict curfew and a ban on entering and leaving the city have been imposed in the city, and water transport is banned until November 19 to prevent Kherson's residents from leaving for the left bank. The city has also urged residents to prepare to evacuate, due to the threat of "Russian shelling", and destroyed infrastructure. However, there is reason to believe that it is about relocating residents from these territories under such a plausible pretext.

Ukrainian politicians have previously disclosed plans to "reintegrate the territories", which involved deporting the local population and replacing them with "ethnically pure" residents of Western Ukraine. It is possible that Kherson is becoming an experimental site for the implementation of this project.

The mood of the Banderovites is evidenced by Rodion Miroshnik. There is a statement done on the air of the Lvov's TV channel NTA by Olga Lakunova, a female combatant of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who returned from an exchange of prisoners. She claimed that "All Russians must die, even the smallest children!", and to which the presenter remarked: "Sharp but fair". Another landmark event today was the holding of a "Day of the Dead" on St. Sophia Square in Kyiv by terrorists from Russia's banned Azov. Previously, this pagan ritual took place at the Azov headquarters in the village of Urzuf in the Donetsk region, where they had built a shrine for such rituals. Now they hold them on the square of the Mother of Russian Cities near the cathedral of St Sophia of Kyiv, demonstrating their superiority over Orthodoxy and the triumph of the old "gods".


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/20337

Podlodka77 wrote:

I already like your solution to the problem !  
I too thought about Kharkov, Odessa or Nikolaev in the first 2 to 3 months, but I see that no high-ranking official of the Russian state has declared in that direction.
The Russians have given no indication from the outset that they want to go in that direction.

From the outset of the SMO back in Feb/Mar, Putin made it quite clear that the primary objective was to de-militarize Ukraine.

He also said that taking Ukrainian territory was NOT a priority.

People keep forgetting that.

Lot's of people complained that Russia didn't start the mobilization back in June.
Putin was not prepared to mobilize unless it was to defend Russian territory, that's why he had to wait until the referendums to leave Ukraine, and the applications to join the Russian Federation had been finalized.

I would imagine that Kharkov, Odessa, or Nikolaev are not priorities.
Taking back all off the 4 new parts of the Russian Federation should be.
Then, it remains to be seen if Kharkov, Odessa, or Nikolaev citizens actually want to join the RF, even before it could be put to referendums.
There is little point in capturing the territory of citizens that don't want you there unless you are happy to fight a permanent civil war.

I'm still wondering what Russia is hoping to gain from the pretenses of any negotiation process with the West. 

Information. That´s the cause for "negotiations". The russian side wants to know what the other side thinks and get an inside into their plans. Don´t forget that on the russian side of the table are guys like Lavrov and Patrushev while on the other side are people like Sullivan or Blinken. 

And Gen. Milley is asking for negotiations because of that:


More fakes. This is the small town of Alyoshki, according to some Telegram channels the town is under attack by the Nazis.

Accurate charge placement by sappers beats missiles/drones any day. This looks serious. By the way the Ukies are saying that it has been a week since the last missile/drone attack, as the Russians have run out.  

   While withdrawing from the right bank of Kherson, the RF Armed Forces destroyed a large energy infrastructure facility that fed part of the right bank and the Nikolaev region.

   According to the head of Ukrenergo, the damage is serious: “The power facility, which provided power supply to the entire right bank of the Kherson region and a significant part of the Mykolaiv region, was practically destroyed. It no longer exists. Two autotransformers, each weighing 250 tons, were blown up. The relay protection hall, compressor, battery were additionally shot and crushed"

   He also said that the destroyed equipment will have to be replaced with supplies from Western countries.


https://t.me/intelslava/41046


Well, re my comment above, Moscow must have decided that a week's 'peace' was long enough.

"There is a mass launch of X-101 missiles from the Tu-95 from the Volgograd-Astrakhan area against Ukraine. More than 40 missiles" - Ukrainian media

https://t.me/c/1428699099/8517

Must be one of those mind-control devices. 

Russian soldiers on that small peninsula between Kherson and Nikolaev.

Borisoglebsk-2

He also said that the destroyed equipment will have to be replaced with supplies from Western countries.

This isn´t so easy. I remember the problems the Americans had to repair a powerplant in Bagdad. It was built by Siemens but the Americans wanted GE or Westinghouse to repair it. Took months and a lot of money. Here we are talking about a system with old soviet tech. When it took so long to replace western made stuff with western made stuff...

Hole wrote:

He also said that the destroyed equipment will have to be replaced with supplies from Western countries.

This isn´t so easy. I remember the problems the Americans had to repair a powerplant in Bagdad. It was built by Siemens but the Americans wanted GE or Westinghouse to repair it. Took months and a lot of money. Here we are talking about a system with old soviet tech. When it took so long to replace western made stuff with western made stuff...

Never trust memes for info I know, but there are memes that show Berlin at night. East Berlin and West Berlin have different looking lights. If this is true, I'd imagine bringing in western electric works could require extensive rewiring of Ukraine's power grid or else you are going to have shorts, brownouts, and destruction.

Erk wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:

I already like your solution to the problem !  
I too thought about Kharkov, Odessa or Nikolaev in the first 2 to 3 months, but I see that no high-ranking official of the Russian state has declared in that direction.
The Russians have given no indication from the outset that they want to go in that direction.

From the outset of the SMO back in Feb/Mar, Putin made it quite clear that the primary objective was to de-militarize Ukraine.

He also said that taking Ukrainian territory was NOT a priority.

People keep forgetting that.

Lot's of people complained that Russia didn't start the mobilization back in June.
Putin was not prepared to mobilize unless it was to defend Russian territory, that's why he had to wait until the referendums to leave Ukraine, and the applications to join the Russian Federation had been finalized.

I would imagine that Kharkov, Odessa, or Nikolaev are not priorities.
Taking back all off the 4 new parts of the Russian Federation should be.
Then, it remains to be seen if Kharkov, Odessa, or Nikolaev citizens actually want to join the RF, even before it could be put to referendums.
There is little point in capturing the territory of citizens that don't want you there unless you are happy to fight a permanent civil war.

I think Odessa and Nikolayevsk are still viable options, but if not then the strategy, IMVHO, should be to render the port of Odessa useless. Nikolayevsk is a wasteland already due to Ukraine's oligarchs so no need to waste bombs there. I'd also take out all of Ukraine's bridges across the Dniepr and seriously degrade their rail infrastructure.

ucmvulcan wrote:

I think Odessa and Nikolayevsk are still viable options, but if not then the strategy,  IMVHO, should be to render the port of Odessa useless.  Nikolayevsk is a wasteland already due to Ukraine's oligarchs so no need to waste bombs there.  I'd also take out all of Ukraine's bridges across the Dniepr and seriously degrade their rail infrastructure.

There is not much point in blowing stuff up unless it assists stated goals. ie. if blowing up a railway bridge helps de-militarizing Ukraine, then it's worth doing.
If it's only to annoy the Kiev regime and the West, then it's probably not worth doing.
Everything you blow up, has to be fixed at some point "you break it, you own it", it's part of the cost of war.

How can rendering the port of Odessa useless help the goal of de-militarizing Ukraine, when the cost of doing that is probably quite high?
Russia could mine the port if they wanted to stop sea traffic, or sink a few grain carriers to block it.
I still don't see how that would help the objectives.