Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

flamming_python wrote:You said it yourself - Ukronazis and Polish russophobes.

Are ordinary people working on some fields or living in some cities supposed to all be like that?

And what's the sense in emulating bad habits anyway?

In actual fact, it is you who are labeling a couple of farmers as an 'enemy' and dismissing the notion of expressing regret over their deaths.. and doing it while pointing to people on the other side who advocate the same thing. So you're an extremist who justifies himself by other's extremism.

You know the Nazis did a lot of bad things in Russia; burning down villages, rape, killing Jews, besieging and starving Leningrad. Did that mean that when the Red Army rolled into Germany, that it should have started behaving the same way?

You're missing the context.  The meme was Scumbag Bandera smirking over the idea that an attack that didn't kill Russians ending up killing some Poles.  The meme highlights that Ukrop nationalists hate Poles nearly as much as they hate Russians, and were happy over the overall outcome.

I don't accept that the meme was in any way dissing the civilians killed. Saying that i'm an "extremist" because I recognise the intent behind the meme is a bit of long stretch?

BTW I do hate the Ukrops, and I do wish for them to suffer what they have inflicted on the people of Donbass over the last 8 years. Karma is real and won't be denied in the long run.

ALAMO wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:
Two options, but both require the complete destruction of the Kiev comprador nationalist regime and a long term effort.
(1) Russia conquers and assimilates the total of Ukraine. Dust off the records from the 1945-1954 to repeat the de-Banderite cleansing of that period.
(2) Russia assimilates pro-Russian territories, but installs a military-backed protectorate in the rest, headed by pro-Russian Ukrainians. They are supported to the hilt by Moscow while they exact their revenge on the nationalists and their supporters.  Lets call it "pacification", or better yet, "democratisation"

(1) costed tens of thousands lives of the Soviet law enforcment&army soldiers, and gave no results as the huge nationalist, bandera-driven movement was active till the very end. The first mass marches with torches appeared in 1991 already.

The Western Allies and the anti-Nazi Germans they installed to power post-WW2 were able to crush the last remnants of Hitlers "National Socialism" and totally indoctrinate the German public to reject his legacy in absolutist terms. If anything, time has only intensified the hatred towards nazi ideology, but the cost has been 75+ years on non-stop totalitarian repression of any who resist the contempory narratives, even to the point of jailing 90 year old grandmothers and office clerks who were in their late teens in the wartime years, or harassing professional historians who quite reasonably base their work on primary evidence rather than eye-witness claims.

Soviet efforts to similar expunge Banderite Fascism have clearly failed. The Soviets, paradoxically, were not as ruthless as the West and gave the bandera supporter trash a reprieve due to commie nonsense about "slavic brotherhood". Additionally, the West has given clandestine support to Bandera fascism ever since 1945 (a disgusting stain on the Western soul if you ask me). Soviets never once supported Nazi hold-outs in the West, yet we setup ratlines after WW2 to support the banderites, and fascists found sanctuary in places like Kanuckistan (how many Canadian politicans have Ukrop nazis in their family background?).

Bandera nazism and Ukrop nationalism only exist today because the evil cnts in the West have systematically supported them as a weapon to use against Russia, in much the same way as they used Islamic militants such as ISIS and AQ-affiliates to destroy Libya and almost take down Syria. When Russia takes down the Kiev regime they must be uttery ruthless at expunging Ukop nationalism. Let the West howl and rage. This evil cancer must be eliminated once and for all.

PS: Question to the more SAM enthusiastic people. Which S-300 missiles have Surface-to-Surface capability?

Most large Soviet SAMS have surface to surface capability... their large warheads generally made them effective and their large seekers often gave them rather good precision against radar contrast ground targets.

The claims by the US that the missiles are Russian made so it is Russias fault are skating on thin ice... first of all those S-300s will be Soviet made and as Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union it is therefore as much Ukrainian as it is Russian... but teh real punch line is that all the weapons the west has been supplying to Kiev are made in the west so if Ukraine attacking Poland with Russian made weapons is a crime that needs a HATO response, then Ukraine attacking Russia with US and EU weapons is also a crime that needs a Russian response.

What I cannot understand is why Russia allowed this disease to take hold over 30yrs.

Ukraine is a separate country... what was Russia supposed to do... Invade because you won't let people speak Russian?

Because they would then probably have to invade quite a few other countries including the Baltic states...

TVM that used by Patriots and SAGG which used by S-300/400's tho are all derived from Semi-Active Radar Homing guidance which means they need external source of illumination. The Only Russian SAM's with a realistic guidance for surface attack against say a ship is Buk as the 9S35 radar does have such mode and largely in good place on the vehicle (not too high) and Buk M3 which even better as it has Active Radar Homing missile.

The large warhead capacity of their heavy SAMs meant ground targets could be engaged using a nuclear warhead where they were simply command guided to the vicinity of the ground target for the purposes of the engagement, more at sea than on land AFAIK, but nuclear armed SA-2 and SA-5 missile types for use against large high flying enemy bomber formations were reported.

And fastest way to get it done is to permanently cut the water and electricity

So they should get to it already, even now Kiev still has water and even some electricity

You don't show mercy to someone you are trying to kill by slowly stabbing them fatally...

The faster they make life hard for Ukrainians the faster they will realise the only solutions that will work are surrender or run away... and hopefully the nazis do the latter or die and the non nazis do the former and help clearing up the remaining nazis.

Best time is to attack during world cup.

The western stooges in charge of international sport claim the reason for the bans for Russian athletes is breaking the Olympic charter by attacking at a time when the olympics were on... but then Georgia attacked South Ossetia during the opening ceremony at the olympics in China and they didn't get banned...

Now the head of FIFA wants a ceasefire while the soccer world cup is playing... but of course with no Russian teams playing they have no leverage so they will likely be ignored.

I'm not sure how many forces are necessary for this kind of mega operation, but Russia could surprise us with

something big, very soon.


Well, I can be optimistic, right?!

Overwhelming them with several attacks on several targets would be a good way to split their forces and weaken them even more... not to mention the chaos at Kiev level... continue to hit them too.

I guess Mark Sleboda was right. He said a month ago , that we won't see anything till at least December. He also said this war will go on for years.

Putin is not in any hurry... there is no point in doing a half arsed job... that would be disrespectful to those that have paid the ultimate price for this.

I wonder if that S300 was still "active" its so weird that this massive missile is cruising along out of fuel and just hits a tractor in an open field randomly? Did the Ukrainians add IR terminal guidance to the mix and it homed in on the tractor?

A moving metal target would be easier to hit than the general dirt background.

The warhead didn't explode, the farmers died from the ballistic damage.
Lot of bad luck.

When used in AA mode the warhead fuse is normally locked until it is within a certain distance from its target... if it misses and leaves that distance then the warhead is locked again to reduce the risk of collateral damage. Fires created by impacts can often set off the HE if it gets hot enough.

Your place is colder than mine because there will be no frost for at least the next 7 days, but it is raining every day and it will be like that for the next 7 days as well.
You need winter tires and I need an umbrella..

From the other side of the planet... summer is coming... 20-26 degrees C... we got to 30 the other day... to hot for me...

You know the Nazis did a lot of bad things in Russia; burning down villages, rape, killing Jews, besieging and starving Leningrad. Did that mean that when the Red Army rolled into Germany, that it should have started behaving the same way?

The fact that they didn't do to Germany what Germany did to the Soviet Union earned them no credit at all... in fact these days the Soviets are equated to Nazis in most western countries...

BTW I do hate the Ukrops, and I do wish for them to suffer what they have inflicted on the people of Donbass over the last 8 years. Karma is real and won't be denied in the long run.

If karma was real then it would be the 1% in the west getting hit by stray missiles and also losing some of their trillions...

The Ukrs boasted that they could "convert" S-300 systems for ground to ground attack. The result of their efforts was the murder
of Polish civilians. It does not appear they engaged Russian forces with the S-300 this way.

There would be no point in firing them at Russian forces... such a simple ballistic path would make it fairly straight forward to intercept...

Ukraine has focused on killing civilians.

For the last 8 years...

It is highly unlikely — hell, impossible — that this was an “errant” missile that Ukraine fired in a moment of desperation trying to take down an in bound Russian missile. Why? The Russian missiles are flying from the south to the north or from the east to the west. That means if Ukraine is firing an anti-missile defense system at those inbound missiles the Ukrainian missile would travel from west to east.

Not necessarily... the S-300 battery just needs to be to the east of the target the Russian weapons were attacking... launching an S-300 after the weapon had passed the S-300 battery would result in the S-300 heading west... but still very thin.