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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:23 pm

    RF forces destroy Ukrainian tank and 2 MRAP's


    RF TOR Air Defense shoots down Ukrainian Fury Drone


    RF artillery engages Ukrainian troops that keep attacking the Svatovo-Kremennoy defensive perimeter


    DPR take out Ukrainian MaxxPro APC in the Pavlovka Region


    EDIT: Added Wagner Documentary.

    NSFW For dead body's!

    18+ RF Documentary Wagner PMC. Contract with the Motherland (english subtitles)

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    Post  thegopnik Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:57 am



    Ukraine is not going to be 50% on this graph.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:24 am

    That graph doesn't show T-62, T-55, tanks that have been used, or any western supplied tanks such as leopard 1. But going by the T-64 kills that's around 60% of what Ukraine had at the start of the war. No doubt some were dragged out of storage since then. And yes I believe majority of the figure will be Ukrainian loses hence them begging the west for tanks. Seemly Slovenia is sending it's version of a modernized T-55 to Ukraine doubt it will make an impact. The west seems reluctant to send any tanks into Ukraine still haven't seen or heard of Abrams, challenger 1, AMX-30, M-60 etc etc. Or even the Romanian T-55 version. Maybe Russian ATGW are proven to be a problem especially on flat terrain in Kherson. Or lancet drones incapacitating tanks forcing them to be repaired. Although am always a bit dubious about lost armour type websites figures.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:58 am

    "The west seems reluctant to send any tanks into Ukraine still haven't seen or heard of Abrams, challenger 1, AMX-30, M-60 etc etc. Or even the Romanian T-55 version. Maybe Russian ATGW are proven to be a problem especially on flat terrain in Kherson. Or lancet drones incapacitating tanks forcing them to be repaired. Although am always a bit dubious about lost armour type websites figures."

    Its going to be a long time before you ever see Abrams, Challengers, Leopard IIs etc in Ukraine. Quite simply the American, French, British, and German arms makers don't want to lose weapons contracts by seeing them get destroyed by the commie weapons that they are supposed to be so much better than. Oh sure, the Abrams family of tanks is probably the best tank in the world. However, as I have said repeatedly, that is when it fights in American service with all that entails. To keep it brief, American tank crews are highly trained, they are competently led, they enjoy an incredible logistics network, and they fight in environments where enemy airpower and helicopter forces have been completely neutralized or outright destroyed (see Iraq) and where they enjoy dominance in training, close air support, artillery, and firepower. Then toss in ordinance and the fact that again in Iraq they were fighting tankists whose equipment was decades old, had no new reactive armor or electronic countermeasures, was forced to use training rounds, and that lacked the fire control capacity of more modern Soviet/Russian tanks. Also, Iraq was not exactly trusted by the USSR and so it received export models. So quite naturally in Iraq the M1A1 and M1A2 looked absolutely unstoppable. However, again Iraq had no helicopters, its tanks were made of cheap steel and lacked radio communication, modern fire control and reactive armor. So while Abrams have been knocked out as have Leopards by IEDs and hits by RPGs, they are the king of the battlefield there.

    In Ukraine the Abrams, Leopard, Challenger, etc would not enjoy those advantages. Ukraine has himars and drones that they mostly use for terror bombings, but they don't have the logistics systems the Abrams, Leopard, Challenger etc require. They don't have the highly trained crews. They don't have the air superiority/air supremacy that the Abrams, Challenger and co enjoyed in Iraq and elsewhere. Frankly, the Abrams and other top end western equipment would be exposed in a battle vs the Russians and so when countries are looking for new weapons they might choose a much cheaper Russian weapon that has far less strings attached over an American or western European weapon. So yeah, you'll never see one in Ukraine.

    Also, you have right to be suspicious of lost armor type websites. They are part of an information war.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:28 am

    What is often forgotten is the information about the dimensions of the tanks themselves.
    If we take into account the height and length of Western tanks, those same tanks are no better protected than Russian tanks, except that the crew in those tanks enjoys greater "comfort". That's why all western tanks, except the French one (finally something smart from them), have a fourth crew member. That is why Leclerc is slightly lighter than German, British and American tanks.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:53 am

    Post  d_taddei2 Today at 3:24 am

    That graph doesn't show T-62, T-55, tanks that have been used, or any western supplied tanks such as leopard 1. But going by the T-64 kills that's around 60% of what Ukraine had at the start of the war. No doubt some were dragged out of storage since then. And yes I believe majority of the figure will be Ukrainian loses hence them begging the west for tanks. Seemly Slovenia is sending it's version of a modernized T-55 to Ukraine doubt it will make an impact. The west seems reluctant to send any tanks into Ukraine still haven't seen or heard of Abrams, challenger 1, AMX-30, M-60 etc etc. Or even the Romanian T-55 version. Maybe Russian ATGW are proven to be a problem especially on flat terrain in Kherson. Or lancet drones incapacitating tanks forcing them to be repaired. Although am always a bit dubious about lost armour type websites figures.


    There is no Leopard 1 in 404.
    I have not recorded a T-55 yet.
    T-62 number is limited to take Kozak units.
    T-64 was both Ukr and republican, I won't speculate about the distribution.
    T-72 belongs to all 3 sides.
    T-80 is mostly Ukr and republican, Russian ones would be sole BVM, can'r remember any reported destroyed. But I haven't tried to find.
    T-90 are solely Russians.

    Most of this chart has a shared space to be Ukr, and not Russian. While the tank fleet of the republican units was limited. I would say that most of it is Ukrainian.  dunno

    There are no AMX nor M-60 in Europe to share, both destroyed in all EU countries other than Greece (M-60).

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:27 am

    A long but interesting article on the effects of mud on NATO/Ukie vehicles versus Russia's

    Preamble.

    If there’s one thing that everyone agrees about, it’s that the weather in Eastern Europe can be terrible from any time in October through to April. From snow to hail to frosts that last a month, the inclemency of the climate becomes more legendary the further you travel eastwards.

    ..............................................................

    Moscow knows very well what it wants and needs, and it is neither profits nor dividends. The failure of Western politics is now followed by the failure of Western equipment, yet it will be once the winter comes that Russian kit leaves its NATO counterparts out in the cold…



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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:16 pm

    Only going by the info out there.

    "German defense manufacturer Rheinmetall is preparing to deliver a batch of 50 used Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine" if they have been delivered which this was mentioned a few months ago, then either they haven't been sent to Frontline and instead sitting in Kiev. As for AMX-30 a few years ago I read an article that stated 200-300 were in storage in France it's possible that they have been scrapped in the last 2-3yrs, or that France has no interest in sending them or cannibalised parts to sell to those countries who still use them. But article was a defense post article so pretty reliable. And as for T-55 on telegram pictures of Ukrainian forces using T-55 although I would imagine those will be in territorial militia units and most likely in less active fronts, I don't doubt Ukraine using them they are after all desperate and using BRDM-1 in territorial militia units 😂

    Agree with the T-80 statement. U know for a fact these info sites will be bias and most likely state majority of the loses will be Russia regardless which is why I very rarely look at such sites. But it's not Russia begging for armour that's all I will say. 😂

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:36 pm

    Lostarmour.info is not bad in terms of veracity. Certainly better than Odyx or whatever that Ukro info-war tool's name is.
    There are a lot of comments and corrections and submitted photos by users of various origins and sympathies, anyone can post a comment with a photo in fact and it should be added to the queue for verification. At least that was so half a year ago when I was checking it, don't know about now.

    Speaking of I remember around that time during a spectacular failure of Kiev's offensives, with dozens of photos and videos of destroyed vehicles surfacing, the Lostarmour site suddenly started barely connecting and being offline more often then now. Not sure if that was their own doing, or some Ukrainian DDOS attack. Either way, when they got back online the newly submitted stuff had been lost and no-one was resubmitting it. So perhaps it's just a case of them being smarter rather than more objective.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:44 pm

    So Russia is building fortifications around Belgorod. It is a bit strange that they expected an attack by the armed forces of Ukraine Shocked


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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:11 pm

    So Russia is building fortifications around Belgorod. It is a bit strange that they expected an attack by the armed forces of Ukraine Shocked

    Any reason why they shouldn't?

    Because the Ukraine has given 'its word'?

    Of course the Ukrainians advancing on Belgorod would be incredibly dumb from both a tactical and strategic military perspective. Which is why you can't discount Kiev from an attempt to do so.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:15 pm

    Ukraine still has the strength for any offensive? With such huge losses in people and equipment?
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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:51 pm

    Allied forces bombard Ukrainian troops at Pavlovka with Artillery and Drones


    18+ full video of defense of the stronghold of the 4th brigade of the LPR, located on the segment of the highway T-13-02 Berestovoe

    NSFW For Killed troops!

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:52 pm

    Arrow, you are dealing with people in DC and Kiev who are only interested in laundering money and weapons. If an offensive succeeds? Give Ukraine more money, that some will be pocketed off the top by oligarchs and politicians can't be helped, they need more money. If a Ukrainian toyota offensive gets sent to unca adolf and grandpa Stepan, well obviously Ukraine needs more weapons and money, that some gets pocketed is acceptable, but for the love of God get the Ukes some money and pay no attention to the skimming off the top. If you you're a tankie and don't love freedom

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:46 pm

    Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 21 Nov 2022⚡

    #Northukrainian Direction (MAP):

    ▪ Two sabotage groups are operating in the #Denisovichi and #Yakovetskoy earea on the #Kiev route. One of the SRGs crossed the state border with #Belarus and reached the #Polessky Nature Reserve.

    ▪ In parallel, Ukrainian deminers in the #Sumy region have started demining the area near the border with #Russia.

    #Kharkov Direction:

    ▪ The new formation of the AFU's 47th Separate Assault Brigade to reinforce the grouping on the border with the #Belgorod region is being completed in the #Kharkov region.

    ▪ The AFU sabotage and reconnaissance groups are operating near #Strelechya and #Volchansk, while the 228th Battalion of the 127th Territorial Defence Brigade has been moved to #Ternova.

    #Starobelsk Direction (MAP):

    ▪ In the #Kupyansk sector, the forces of the 14th AFU Mechanized Brigade made an unsuccessful attempt to storm Russian positions on the high ground near #Orlyanka. Russian forces repulsed the attack, destroying two BMPs and their crews.

    ▪ In the #Lyman sector, combined units of the 66th Mechanized Brigade and 25th Airmobile Brigade attacked Russian positions in the direction of #Chervonopopovka. The AFU formations were pushed back to their initial positions by artillery fire.

    #Soledar Direction:

    ▪ In the #Bakhmut (#Artemovsk) sector, the AFU command is moving additional forces, including US mercenary units, due to the difficult situation on this frontline.

    ▪ In the vicinity of #Konstantinovka, mobilised personnel are undergoing accelerated initial combat training. After several days of training, the personnel will be deployed to the line of contact.

    #Lugansk People's Republic:

    ▪ Ukrainian militants shelled civilian infrastructure in #Alchevsk with HIMARS.

    #Donetsk Direction (MAP):

    ▪ Motorized rifle units of the Russian Armed Forces have taken control of key locations along Druzhba Avenue in the centre of #Maryinka. Fighting continues in the area of school No 2 occupied by Russian forces.

    ▪ Ukrainian militants have once again hit #Maryinka, #Krasnogorovka, #Pervomayskoye, #Donetsk, #Makeyevka and #Novoselovka.

    #Zaporozhye Direction:

    ▪ Russian forces have carried out several missile strikes on the positions of the 65th Mechanized Brigade in #Orekhov, #Stepnogorsk and #Zalichnychnoye.

    ▪ Ukrainian forces continue to gather reserves in separate areas, with personnel and equipment arriving in #Belogorye and concentrating near #Pokrov on the right bank of the #Kakhovka reservoir.

    #Kherson Direction on Southern Front:

    ▪ The Russian Armed Forces have launched several missile strikes on Ukrainian army positions on Quarantine Island (Karantinny Ostrov) in #Kherson, as well as in #Klapaia, #Vysuntsy and #Veseloye.


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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:51 pm

    We agree with our colleagues from Rybar about the specific Iranian concept of "shoot down - study - create an analog". , however, we would like to point out another important detail of the Iranian military-industrial complex that the Russian defense industry greatly lacks.

    There is a general trend in many of Iran's military products: the Iranians are outfitting any vehicle or platform with precision-guided weapons, turning it into a guided weapon carrier. There are numerous examples of this equipment: the recently mentioned UAV "Shahed-133", which was turned by the Persians into a carrier of guided air bombs "Sadid", the old Su-22 of the Red Army can destroy ground targets with precision-guided Yasin bombs, and the AH-1J "Toufan-2", which is an upgrade of the ancient AH-1J "Super Cobra", can deliver strikes using guided missiles Ghaem-114, which are analogs of the American Hellfire. Yes, the same Shahed-136 is extremely simple in its design but is a kind of cheap and reduced-in-power cruise missile, which makes it a powerful and cheap weapon to destroy static ground targets.

    This is a common feature of all Iranian products: to endow older models with the ability to use high-precision weaponry, which multiplies the combat effectiveness of the unit and which our products sorely lack. Looking at the participation of aviation in the air defense system, one gets the feeling that Russian military thought has followed the opposite principle: they hang unguided bombs and missiles on the newest planes and helicopters, significantly reducing combat effectiveness and increasing the risk of losing planes and pilots.


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    Post  Hole Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:00 pm

    Wow. So the Russian Army has no ATGM´s? Russian Helicopters aren´t using Vikhr and Izd. 305 missiles? All those videos of Lancet drones are fake?
    Must be real experts there at Slavyangrad.  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:11 pm

    The Associated Press has fired its journalist who brought information about a "Russian missile" that struck Poland.

    This news, citing an intelligence source, was published by AP immediately on the day of the incident. But the next morning, the opposite insider was released - that the missile belonged to the Ukrainian air defense.

    Later, this information was officially confirmed in the West

    As the Daily Beast writes, after the news about the “Russian missile” was released, AP fired its author, James LaPorta, an investigative reporter.

    He was charged with violating one of the agency's rules - finding at least two sources of information if it is anonymous (with a few exceptions for very detailed messages from high-ranking officials).

    In general, this story shows how seriously the West takes to stop the pretexts for direct clashes with Russia.


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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:42 pm

    The "fortifications" are an obvious montage of unrelated excavation work. Do you seriously think that the last photo on the left shows any sort of trench?
    The ridiculous panel on the right is clearly thrown in to guide your interpretation and there is no evidence it has anything to do with the other
    photos. From what I see it is work to install drainage conduits to improve the quality of the farmland.

    PS. This site appears to be under a DDOS attack.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:42 pm

    Next case of a mass execution od the republican POWs. They really record proofs of mass war crimes ...Those banderite garbage is absolutny shameless.

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:47 pm

    I have seen more video of kornet in Yemen than in Ukraine.

    Mi-28 and ka-52 mostly carry rockets. Use of Vikhr and other atgm seems to be sporadic. Izd 305 is used but not massively and it must be much more expensive than other heli launched atgm.

    Lancet is greatly used but only from september with Geran arrival. I guess they were hurt to see iranian drones being employed cirrectly and in mass so they speed up production of Lancet. A little bit of competition is always good I guess.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:06 pm

    Wow. So the Russian Army has no ATGM´s? Russian Helicopters aren´t using Vikhr and Izd. 305 missiles? All those videos of Lancet drones are fake?
    Must be real experts there at Slavyangrad. Rolling Eyes

    Seems to be a critique of the practice of employing iron bombs from Su-35s again

    Maybe it's not great for the sales brochures, but militarily it does make sense. I'll leave it to the judgement of the Russian VKS, than Mr. Slavyangrad here.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:11 pm

    Rybar in English
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    ❗🇷🇺🇺🇦 Just after 18:00 Kyiv Time, explosions were heard a few kilometers south of Sevastopol and near Yevpatoriya. Air defense operated on Ukrainian drones coming from the Black Sea, likely Mugin-5s.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:22 pm

    When they hadn't reinforced the border in the Belgorod and Kursk regions, they were mocked for being so complacent, as UA was "free" to conduct random silly, ultimately futile but "embarassing" (for Russia) attacks. When they do reinforce the borders, it's all defeat and doom, Russia is on the defensive.

    Just an observation.

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