I don't see NATO being disbanded, but by spring there is going to be a huge backlash in Europe against the United States
Its primary purpose is to defend Europe from Russia and seems to be failing miserably... in fact it is making things worse rather than better while being rather expensive to boot.
For what its worth, a lot of people here in America are very tired of high diesel costs, and we just had our most expensive thanksgiving day ever as that major holiday here cost 15 percent more than last year.
Tell that to the people in Cuba and Yemen and Iraq and Iran and North Korea and Russia and all the other countries your country has imposed economic sanctions upon to bully them into doing what you want them to do... your country inflicts economic chaos as a tool of control that can be as damaging as the wars you inflict when it suits... which seems to be at the drop of a hat.
Gas and food prices are on the rise here and people are no longer buying Putinflation.
The fact that they listen to their own government suggests this might be a good start...
They are rightly blaming Biden and there is a growing peace movement here and discontent with foreign policy growing.
But why would Russia want an end to US suffering? This is what the west has been trying to do to Russia... maybe Russia should adopt US goals and start funding a bit of discontent in the US... so many unhappy groups... perhaps Russia could target white men... ironically the only minority not allowed to defend itself because many of the 1% are white males... but 99% of the entire population of white makes are not super rich and super priviledged and have never owned slaves or did anything other than work hard to support their families...
So while NATO will still exist, at least temporarily its going to have to soften its approach.
HATO is a tool used by the US to keep France and Germany from getting too friendly with Russia.
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But I think the Russians would be fools to accept it. Although knowing Putin he might do that.
Because Putin is a fool?
They have many periods of closing off to the West for security reasons, economic decay as a result, then opening up again. It is just that phase right now.
Except the west is now woke and dysfunctional and not so attractive as it once was... if a rest of the world country wants anything they used to get from the west... they can now get it from China who makes it all anyway...
I think the west is in for a shock if they think Russia will fade if it turns its back on them...
The thing is the West can never accept Russia as anything other than a resource colony.
Which is why Russia is doing the right thing and likely wont come back.
The west can try to come back to Russia but they will need to show they have changed otherwise there will be no point.
Well despite the attempts at dressing up any development as a premeditated cunning plan, no I don't think what's happening now was part of anyone's intention.
Planning by nature has to be flexible and adaptable by nature... I am sure going in to this conflict with their rapid progress they might have thought a rapid enemy surrender some trials and some guarantees and it will be all over, but that didn't happen because despite Kiev wanting to surrender and Boris stopping them from doing so Kiev has now doubled down and couldn't surrender if they wanted to... the only option they are leaving open is a Russian surrender to them, which is ridiculous.
Currently the plan is to shred the orc forces while losing as few friendly soldiers as possible and this will continue for the foreseeable future.
Do they have plans to attack Kiev or Odessa... of course they will, it is their job to plan for these and more, but they will have a set of very clear prerequisites before any attacks are even considered... they might be waiting for three weeks of frozen ground, or they might be waiting for that next Kiev escalation or Kiev attack, or perhaps for the west to do something maybe.
I doubt they would let us know.
Wheeled platforms are hard to catch, but the weather is not suitable for them.
I wonder why Russia never had Grads on tracked chassis. Whole Ukraine is MTLB country now.
The Grad rockets can hit targets 40km away and Smerch 120km away... how hard is it to look at a map and find a road 40km or 120km away from the target you want to engage... drive there... fire and then drive away...
That said, sending spent missiles as decoys is a ton cheaper than using training missiles used as targets for AD systems.
Taking out the 400kg warhead means you can fit jammers and other things to balance the missile again... having jammers and perhaps disposable decoys might allow it to defeat dozens of SAMs fired at it... which makes it even more effective...
You really are itching for a ban PhSt...
The west is trying to murder Russians, collapse their economy so they starve and freeze and sit in the dark, I can understand PhSts anger and his wish to return the favour in kind.
Banned for his opinion?
No.
You should read Garry's instructions, you link to the post. You might need a picture but the rest of us here are happy to follow a link.
I think what he did was fine, he just reproduced one image that he was talking about specifically, he did not repost entire extended conversations to make one line comments about one small part of the conversation posted.
I am happy with that.
Keep in mind that mid 2000s Putin and co went dancing with the west, in hopes of quick prosperity by being integrated into Western-organized trade, business, etc.
Why shouldn't they... that was teh promise... you get rid of communism and be welcomed into the international community.
Putin was the most pro western Russian politician that was not a sellout (ie Navalny).
The fact that they turned him against the west shows the level of anti Russian BS he had to put up with.
We had joint military hardware projects between Russia and NATO, we had Russia helping USA/NATO every other time they went into their freedom-excursions (FRY attack is just one instance and possibly the only one they took a hard stance against), western media narrative was far more 'forgiving' to the Russia etc.
When the west invaded Afghanistan Russia supported them by allowing transport through Russian territory that was safer than through Pakistan... but the west pissed all over that too.
15 years ago Putin warned them at MSC, but he warned them in hopes that they'll listen, rooted in his hope that he'll achieve quick $ by being a player in the western market.
You make Putin sound like a criminal wanting to sell out his country to make a quick buck like Georgian and Ukrainian leaders...
The fact that that is not him is the problem the west has... they didn't want to treat Russia with respect or deal with Russia as an equal so of course nothing works.
Whoever was in power in 2003 had to ask himself, how do we sustain this growth and generate approval to get reelected again and so on. The answer of Putin's goverment was Western integration.
Putin is Russian and Russians don't have some idealised comic book vision of war that we have in the west... he knew peace and trade is the solution to Russias problems and would lead to development and growth.
So I wouldn't be surprised if China takes the Russian "alliance" more cautiously than what Russia needs at the moment.
There is no Russian alliance... BRICS is about independent countries thinking for themselves... the west opposes BRICS because it is not based on the primacy of the US over everyone else... China wont drop support for Russia to save the US or the EU... it is EU support for the US that is destroying the EU... letting them collapse might be the best thing for them because the US wont save them.
Will the US even be able to save itself?
Where I completely disagree with western media is the belief that Russian government knows the ins and outs of geopolitical situation Russia is in and won't head for any pitfalls soon.
The western media couldn't organise a blow job at an orgy... the Russian government knows Russia has food and everything it currently needs and the rest of the world is much more important than the west in terms of moving forward and developing and growing.
Russia is not afraid of China growing and developing, it is not afraid of any country growing and developing that it trades with... which scares the shit out of the colonial west because they retain their position because they keep the damn natives down on their knees at their station.
Russians will drive them first. China is already buying the leftover by western industries and already selling its cars in Russia.
They are driving them, they sell them everywhere... and they will only get better.
Europeans will never allow chinese car in Europe, nor will europeans buy chinese shit. They will keep buying europeans brands.
Yes, the Europeans will ban Chinese cars... they will claim it is safety or China is burning too much fossil fuel or some other BS argument, so Europeans get less choice in terms of cars. China can sell to the rest of the world so they wont care, but if the EU ban Chinese cars then China will ban European cars and of course with no cheap energy European cars will be made in the US... with big subsidies... how long before those Euro cars can no longer turn corners?
Even the new russian Koalirsia mounted on a truck is too heavy and too big.
Its next gen guided HE round will reach 180km so how heavy is too heavy?
They need a smaller truck and sincerly Nora is the best option for a low cost wheeled howitzer to get in huge numbers.
They have a range of gun sizes and truck sizes already.
First FOABs on cities, then nukes now famine?
What is your next suggestion?
Thermonuclear explosion to keep them warm in winter?
Locust plague in spring?
Novichok Artillery in Summer?
Death star blow in Fall?
Cruelty must be one of your positive attributes...
The US pushed for this conflict to overthrow Putin in some violent regime change... and they fund the deaths of Russian soldiers and Russian civilians...
This conflict will end when the Ukrainian people have had enough and rise up against their own government who is murdering Russians in their name and has been for the last 8 years... to prolong it would be the real cruelty.
China knows its next if Russia is defeated
China didn't forget Pelosi in Taiwan, nor the Coronavirus accusations, nor the arrest of executives in Canada, nor the US and Australia enacting trade barriers to it, nor the hysteria over Huawei and its banning from Western markets, nor the 'QUAD' set up by the US to isolate it or the later AUKUS, nor the protests orchestrated by Soros in Hong Kong, nor its attempt to buy Motor Sich in the Ukraine being frozen out by Washington, nor a bunch of other things.
Australia does not need nuclear powered submarines to operate around Australian waters and protect Australian territory... they need SSNs to operate a few thousand kms to its north with a nuclear sub base that US subs could operate from too....
Hell of a sniper he must be, to destroy a BMP
Actually it would be an interesting tactic to attack a BMP with HEAT grenades dropped directly down from a drone but with sniper cover so any crew in the BMP open hatches and try to shoot at the drone get picked off by the sniper...
I hope mobilized will not be sent to the front with this equipment:
Not every target needs to be engaged at enormous distances... sometimes a rolling barrage of HE rockets in front of advancing troops means they stop or get killed... no need to waste 120km range 300mm rockets for that.
Before we talk about western ukraine or koev lets talk about progress measured in meters in donbass. Every city and hanlet in donbass is portrayed as some sort of massive uberfortress.
Progress measured in metres is meaningless, how about regions of the Ukraine so pissed off with their own country that they will change identity and become a different country... so far it is 5 to nil.
Currently the BBC... a hostile Russia hating organisation estimates about 10K dead Russian Soldiers compared with 100+K dead Ukrainian soldiers estimated by Ukrainian sources... neither having any interest in inflating those numbers beyond a few thousand to sound balanced.
They are using FIVE different 155mm artillery systems, along with all the junk the EU could dig out from the storages.
Another factor is that within HATO many countries develop and produce their own guns and their own special ammo to get the most out of their own guns and sometimes their ammo might exceed the HATO specification on pressure and temperature to achieve a little better range so getting a mix of different 155mm shells and a mix of different guns for those shells will be interesting because I doubt they will know which will go with which and certainly wouldn't care.
Loading CAESER shells into German or American guns might not be safe and they are finding out they wear out the gun faster than it should... much like the change of ammo for the M16 was its downfall in Vietnam... lots of very bitter men there about that...
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this was told by the representative of the alliance. First of all, we are talking about small states. The remaining 10 are still able to supply Kiev with weapons and equipment: among them France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands.
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Damaged self-propelled guns PzH 2000 of the Ukrainian army somewhere in the zone of the SMO
