Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35

I kept quiet as long as I could, I can't anymore..
These two "know" everything, and all they succeeded in doing was being members of the military forum. The only thing they know about Russia is that the Kremlin is in Moscow and that Moscow is the capital of Russia.

LIMB and SEIG

You guys destroy your own forum with these types of posts. You should stick together in these times and find common ground but you deliberately chose to insult each other with personal attacks on disagreements. Its dumb and childish.

Rule break by Pod

Let's be clear if you start claiming you killed x when there is only y and I do not see an image of even one, yeah Imma question that.

The entire story doesn't EVEN make sense, Are you telling me Russia was either too stupid to target the stations until now? or Ukraine just decided to do a whoopsie and send two himars each into one railway never having done this before knowing Russia targets those.

Of course, you cannot expect imagery for each one, but the fact they have claimed over 30 now, and I haven't seen one really says something.

Russia would be finding them mostly in the field, and UNLESS it was marked by a drone or some visual add, there is no way they'd be able to target it as it'd be gone by the time they got the firing solution set and Kalibers wouldn't work as the targets are pre-programmed and Kalibvers aren't lettering munitions and aren't programmed to fly around area and attack x object, you programmed the firing coordinates for the missile and it goes to that EXACT spot.

And Arty excuse doesn't work either, the HIMARS would be gone by the time the russians figure out where it fired from.

No, that story is horse shit, and the fact I haven't even seen one video of a russian drone following and seeing the HIMARS being hit.

Not to mention its funny how quickly they located "4" only two days after their **** up, That alone suggests it was some just PR BS meant to make civis and people like yourself feel better, when the timing is to good that means BS is afoot, this is RL not some stupid ass movie

News: Vladimir Putin instructed to develop amendments on a unified system of benefits and social guarantees for military personnel of the DPR and LPR in the period from 2014.

Kremlin is in Moscow

There are Kremlins in a lot of russian cities. 
Not to be confused with Gremlins. 

I´m lazy, so...


God boy, Slovenia.
IKEA closed in Russia and Sweden is going broke in 5... 4... 

Pointless to whom seig? What did Putin say the aims of the war were? He has given some clues.

Nope if Putin only takes say 30 percent NATO will take the other 70, move troops and missiles in etc.

It would be a mistake of epic portions to allow that.

Russia will never get Ukraine to be neutral, not after all this. That ship has sailed, better to prevent the NATO build up there then let it happen but hey, be my guest. Don't and then when the reality of the blunder hits you, you can think of old me and go "Dam, he was right"

Well, to avoid problems Russia will probably have to take control of all of Ukraine, but not all of it will be a full part of the russian federation.

Probably the north west of Ukraine will be kept, at least for a number of years, with a status like non sovereign territory, similar to that of Puerto Rico for the US.

Russia does not need to take the whole thing any time soon. They can just take what is on their side of the Dnieper and make the rest of the place a dumping ground for bombs. A giant Gaza Strip near Russia to make of it an example to the rest of NATO. Let the Euros rebuild the place, then blow it up again afterwards. And again, and again.

@Godric u mention the ruble being backed by gold. I have been watching quite a few economic experts who have been commenting on the rumour that BRICS/OPEC members talk on having a separate new currency to trade in oil and gas. However they know that the west will refuse to recognise this new currency, so it's very likely that they will choose gold as the currency or at least backed by gold, and this would work as the west can't really say that they don't recognise gold lol as it's fully recognised globally, what this does mean is USD will now not be the favoured currency and this won't be good for USD value. So beat start buying gold now before it rockets in value

We aren't sending HIMARS in under the table bud, we have no reason to hide it period.

How many are there? 21 well below the russia's quoted number.

They did announce they will produce more HIMARS for Ukraine but those won't be coming for months

First of all, my condolences to the families and rest in peace to the heroes of the Russian Federation!

Mistakes can always happen and especially in war they happen. Someone once said war is pure chaos and can't be planned or controlled.

The Russian options as I see them are

1) all of Ukraine - or as Seig said there was no point to even starting the SMO for NATO to park there

2) maintain the war going for years and years and drag on the economic warfare for decade

Both options negate NATO entry to Ukraine , in option 2 , Russia must maintain the war going for several years until its ties with the east are at the level they were with the west

I think option 2 is better, the money being spent is not on rebuilding, or at least most of it is not

Some of it goes to building, and the rest of the budget can go to acquisitions, and the war itself

Rotate men through the war as it become less intense and more of a missile and bomb war

(Which is more or less what it is becoming now)

And just keep the strikes going

NATO won't go in if it's kept at this level, 2 birds with 1 stone

The benefits are that NATO and US must keep spending money and by 20 years they will have spent more than 5 Trillion

For Russia, the expenditure is part of the budget, and it can go to the military expansion

The Russian options as I see them are

1) all of Ukraine - or as Seig said there was no point to even starting the SMO for NATO to park there

2) maintain the war going for years and years and drag on the economic warfare for decade

Why not both? No.2 leads to No.1 anyway, with the added benefit of a deindustrialized EU and a neutered NATO.

"Bullshit

They've constantly been claiming to be running out of everything, the Ukrainians too; yet somehow they still have plenty of ammo for artillery to fire in large volumes throughout the Donbass, and to constantly be firing HIMARS missiles.
No doubt it's difficult for them to get all that stuff to the front, but they're managing.

It's just deception, everything they state, or enough of it that you can't take anything seriously."

Wait you're talking about ammo? well no shit we are sending them ammo without holding a press conference lol, Who the **** would have a meeting to tell people every single time NATO sent them ammo, that's completely pointless lol in terms of vehicles yeah they say this and when vehicles get sent that usually announced unless its something nobody cares to announce like old ass surplus trucks or something

I think Russia should not hold Ukraine, it is a burden for the economy

Maybe eat it little by little like Israel does to Palestine , every 4 years take a chunk, rebuild it and defend the outer territory

As I see it, right now the biggest construction project will be rebuilding Donbass

And that's gonna be a fuckton of money

Only way to make it profitable is that donbass becomes the industrial hub to rival Urals and Siberian factories

Donbass could be the western hub of all industry for western Russian districts, Turkish civilian sector and even military , Chinese industry in Africa

Donbass if revived economically could produce more industrial equipment and goods than Japan and Germany for example

Donbass fruit has not been cultivated

Back when KPRF and other leftists said that Donbass was the jewel of Ukraine, it was something I agreed with

But since 2014, the true capacity of Donbass industry was not harnessed

They hohols need to be pushed back to Slavyansk, to ensure Donbass can recover and be put to good use , producing the world's coal, and providing coal power to developing regions

In 2012 Donetsk was the best business city of Ukraine

Once this giant agglomeration is revived, we can talk economic prospects for other Ukrainian regions

Until then, keep the kalibr clock spinning

Dnipropetrovsk is also very useful , as it holds the other part of Ukrainian industry,

The agricultural regions not so important, Russia itself produces the food for the world

All other urban centers are merely services urbanation

Depending on what its strategic objectives are (that we can and do only guess at) then when Russia makes a move beyond Donbas, a “shock and awe” demonstration of Russian capability, just *might* give the voices in the US calling for negotiations a chance to prevail.

At the moment the U$ thinks Ukraine is just a playground to bully Russia. It has to be shaken awake and made to understand this is the Big One and Russia is playing as if this is Existential because to them it is.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:We aren't sending HIMARS in under the table bud, we have no reason to hide it period.

How many are there? 21 well below the russia's quoted number.

They did announce they will produce more HIMARS for Ukraine but those won't be coming for months

I think the USA sent 20 HIMARS France, Germany and UK sent 15 M270 MLRS. The systems are very expensive so I think the sent nothing under the table.

Now for the HIMARS missile launcher losses...even Ukraine reported HIMARS missile launcher losses. They are not ordinary MLRS systems and will not be found in normal frontline operations. The HIMARS and M270 are used for highly prioritized attacks and Ukraine guards the systems like raw eggs. So no drone images will be found of HIMARS losses, rather the HIMARS losses will be due to long range Russian missile attacks and no images will be found for that..as an example, missile attacks on bases or rally points.

Of course HIMARS is a very good system, although it's more the GMRLS rockets that make the difference, because with the M26 rockets there's really no difference to the Grad system, they can fly a little further but that's all about it. But from my point of view it is not a game changer but a potent means of putting needle pricks and exploiting the blows for maximum propaganda purposes. There are actually no game changers in the war, most likely the Geran drones... but a game changer from a financial point of view, because it forces the enemy to spend high-quality anti-aircraft missiles for cheap drones.

As far as I can remember, not a single Iskander system was destroyed by Ukraine, and few or no BM-30 and BM-27 systems either. This is also due to the range and the distance to the front line. Realistically, fewer HIMARS casualties are expected because the situation is similar. The Lancet-3, which delivers wonderful pictures, is only used near the front or just behind the front. Pictures of other drones have been rather rare lately.

According to "ukrainian" officials the AD shot down 100% of all russian drones. This explosion is likely a pickle jar or a tomato can landing on some
air conditioner. Nevertheless the rate of 100% is a little less then the 110% they achieved a few weeks ago.

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Arkanghelsk wrote:What do you guys think would be the objective of a new offensive?

Would the military hold ground? Or would they seek to create a bigger buffer which can be mined and then pullback?

How far would it go considering the buildup we have seen over the last months ?

The forces in place are bigger than February invasion forces

So how would this attack differentiate from the last one?
LIKEDISLIKE

We can expect an offensive by the Russian armed forces no earlier than mid-February. First the ground has to freeze properly, before that no mechanized operations can take place and they will inevitably have to come. Until then, as many Ukrainian units as possible will be put through the meat grinder. The situation in Bakhmut is very favorable for Russia at the moment and I don't expect much change in the front line in the next few weeks. That was Putin's statement so far.

But we also have to keep in mind how many soldiers Russia now has at its disposal... there are 300k mobilized soldiers with about 50k volunteers, plus the regular soldiers and the conscripts who are not sent to the front but theoretically can have tasks in the rear. With the forces of the DPR and LPR, which are now 100% under Russia in every respect, we can easily assume that 500k soldiers will be available for an operation. The number could realistic be even higher. And then there is the force multiplier, which turns 500k into a much stronger force in the end.

I just want to point out that we are seeing the first signs of an offensive. After the attacks on the energy infrastructure, the Russian Air Force is primarily taking action against the Ukrainian air defenses, and doing so very effectively. Air defense systems are being destroyed one by one, so at the moment Geran drones can relatively easily hit targets in Kyiv, and Kyiv has always been a stronghold of Ukraine's air defense.

The offensive of the Russian armed forces will be heralded by large-scale airstrikes. And this time I expect the use of many free-fall bombs from high-altitude...destruction of bridges...strikes deep in Ukraine with bombers etc. The attack in the spring of last year was very good and, by the way, very successful...it was only slowed down by too few soldiers on the ground.

You can already see the intensification of the air raids...it should start in a few weeks...let's see how much of the Ukrainian army is left after that. I expect an unconditional surrender by late summer or fall of this year at the latest.

Hole wrote:According to "ukrainian" officials the AD shot down 100% of all russian drones. This explosion is likely a pickle jar or a tomato can landing on some
air conditioner. Nevertheless the rate of 100% is a little less then the 110% they achieved a few weeks ago.

It's a pickle jar...I have every second day these kinds of explosion im my kitchen! Hahaha  

Slava Kokainu!!!

Donbass economic region , is the one area we can be assured are to be incorporated to the Russian economic planning

Every mine, and railway , are arteries which feed Donetsk city itself

For that reason, it's imperative to secure these areas

And the Donbass workers and former administrators will become de facto elites in this new region

This regions economic output in a recovery stage will eclipse the economic production of regions like Irkutsk, Chelyabinsk, Sverdlovsk etc.

With the sea of Azov, and the canal system, and railways- deliveries of ferrous material, coal, salts, machines, and other tools Can occur non-stop

With the Caspian sea routes, the importance of Donbass cannot be understated

The entire central Asian manufacturing sector can revive with a healthy donbass, and ports of Berdyansk are why Mariupol was so damn important to Donbass liberation

This city produced over a quarter of the Ukrainian GDP

If oriented to the south, it can power the entire central Asian region

Ukraine has fucked it up bad