Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35

Do you mean Donbass - Volga - Caspian sea - Iran - India? That might be interesting.

The article claims that essentially the Russian military is full of stupid generals:


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-troop-loss-catastrophe-in-donetsk-outrages-russias-military-bloggers?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc

Ahh yes The Drive. Sophisticated site on par with National Interest.

Going to quote globaldefensecorp next? Could mods pls deal with flagrant slava ukraini shills?

Odin of Ossetia wrote:The article claims that essentially the Russian military is full of stupid generals:


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-troop-loss-catastrophe-in-donetsk-outrages-russias-military-bloggers?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc

I gave your post a dislike not because of you but because of the limitless shit that is in the article!

It really pisses me off that from the Western (Anglo-Saxon) perspective, Slavs are just primitive barbarians and subhumans. Then there are tweets from the cockroaches like Ramani or Grozev.

No matter what the Russian Army does in the war it will always be bad and when Ukraine is defeated and all NATO help was up the ass...then it was just "luck for the Russians"...if NATO had fought then they would have after 3 days conquered Moscow.

Anything that came out of the USSR was bad! First man in space -> meaningless... Principle of civil nuclear fusion -> unimportant etc. The list could be continued endlessly. Are they all mentally ill on cocaine?

The "West" needs a proper and firm slap in the face!  Not by direct war between NATO and Russia...but morally by the complete and unconditional defeat of Ukraine.

Was he being sarcastic? Ffs I cannot tell anymore between shills and jokes. I am all for brief asides and informal talk but the shilling is causing thread like this to become a mess. And the mini girkins making doomer posts every twenty minutes is getting asinine. Doomer posting is fine but damn guys. Dont have to lay it on so thick.

Edit: added some thoughts on the insanity of the thread.

One or more people will have organized this party with the aim of giving such a target. That was planned. I don't put anything on the cell phone story. The front is 10km away. Even normal heavy weapons could have done this.

https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/7a394153c87947d8a602c3927609f572
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Cell phones are banned for Russian soldiers. So who used them? DNR militia members?

The biggest fail was setting up a barracks in a school close to the front. This made it easy for some Ukr civilian or agent tagging the
juicy target and for Ukr HIMARS to attack it. You would think that 50 km from the front would be too close, but 10 km?

I sorta agreed with the big plan for Russia when it became clear that they would be fighting NATO in Ukraine. The plan was to call up 300,000+, take the time to train and prepare properly. Then carefully go on the offensive.

But this is taking a long time. And the longer the offensive waits , the more chances there are for stuff like this. And continued attacks on Donetsk.

Just knowing that the satanic Anglo death cult is responsible for all of this , makes the war hard to watch. Which is why i have to tune it out. I really hope Russia gets rolling again. Like they were before the summer. They proved they could do it.

Russian soldiers have been very disciplined when it comes to cell phones all the way back to Syria. At the start of the Syria war , some Russian selfies were posted as they deployed. It lasted barely a week. Then the hammer came down and almost no unsanctioned media was posted again..so i dunno

The fall guy should be the clown who decided to stage a "temporary" barracks 10 km from the front. Cycling the soldiers 50-100 km behind
the lines is not such a massive challenge. It's not like a day job where every soldier needs to commute on a daily basis.

The real fall guy has to be the United States. Some rumors are that it was a weapon that hasn't been declared in the field. It was too accurate and devastating to be a regular hmars.

Plus all the intel was done by the US. This attack doesn't happen without 100% US involvment at every level

Any fucking grouping of Americans known to be anywhere in the country should be slaughtered. Everything but the US embassy should be blown up. American drones should be shot out of the sky

Well, if they were using phones, rather basic radio intelligence gathering and geolocation.

Regarding the weapons used to strike could be himars as they are GPS guided after all. Although GPS signals should be suppressed by now unless they are not going to for some reason.

I doubt it's some super weapon, only reason being is that not much is secret going on in this war and Ukrainians have no issue showing themselves with whatever fancy gear they get from the west.

It can be himars, it can be smerch or any of them. MLRS in an accurate hit can be devastating.

This story of hosting party 10km from line echoes moskva 30km from Nikolayev

@Azi

The article is targeting Russian/Slavic culture

And the article is not completely wrong

As I posted days ago

In Russia you have dumb fucking guys who put welders next to metal chips and paint cans

This is a negligent culture that was cultivated around end of USSR, 90s

It's negligence to the point of laziness

What happened on NYE party, was lax rules, and lax discipline

Same as Moskva

Same as Kuznetsov

Same as Engels

And the story repeats

If Drive is saying Russian generals are dumb

What they really are getting to, is that the Russian culture is lazy

This shit could happen 4 times in a row

Like Kuznetsov catching fire, and getting leveled by a crane and sinking the drydock

Months later the kuznetsov catches fire again

And in December the kuznetsov caught fire a 3rd or 4th time ffs

Or Provorniy, the welder was left next to paint and chemicals destroying the entire superstructure

Or Kursk, who's torpedoes were not changed out, and had faulty cap with peroxide issue

Or Engels with not one air defense on perimeter

Or Saki with not one air defense on perimeter

Or Rostov, with not one air defense on perimeter

Or malls throughout catching fire without sprinkler system

Or Crimea Bridge without security connected to Ukraine by Crimea getting wrecked

Yes we downplay it to not get angry

And no it has nothing to do with Russian stupidity

But LAZINESS

it can happen 4 or 5 times, and the top boss doesn't get the message

Unfortunately look at BSF, with Osipov

- Saratov hit by Himars, sunk - salvaged and towed to Kerch , probably scrapped

- 2 ropuchas damaged in same attack

- Saki , got HIMARS

- Moskva goes kaboom

- Gvardeskoye catches HIMARS, Dzhankoi catches HIMARS,

- Belbek - another HIMARS

- Bridge Kaboom

By that time Osipov should have been posted to Magadan, but what can I say

No its not a doom,

But it is a reality check, one needed for a long time

I think a manual general is needed, one to put fire out when they spark

Surovikin is not a micromanage, but one is needed

War so boring that I feel like wanting to randomly argue with Turks.

https://defencehub.live/threads/russia-vs-thread.16167/#post-238979

And whoever tries to compare afghan to Ukraine when it comes to drone use is armchair expert who has never fought the Taliban and is completely clueless and shouldn't be talking.

Taliban relied on ambush. Hit and run. Gurella warfare, etc by the time a drone arrived they where gone when dealing with an enemy who uses tactics like these drones aren't that useful.

Both are fighting a superior force and cannot really stand out in the open to fight on even terms as they lack air control and decent artillery to really challenge their enemy.

So the Taliban ambush while the orcs issue a challenge and mark a place on the map to meet the Russian forces on equal terms?

Yeah, right.

In Ukraine you have huge groupings of forces and static frontlines etc it's a much different type of war and in this type of war drones are very good and Putin admitted they need more capable drones.

The Ukrainian air defence is a shambles so drones can be effective, but you can't provide complete 24/7 coverage of thousands of kms of ground with any sort of drone or aircraft.

The article claims that essentially the Russian military is full of stupid generals:

the drive...

If Russia had stupid generals, if Putin was a fool none of this would be happening.

89 dead... just the fuel they need to keep killing nazis... use the pain, learn from it and put it to good use.

Russia will have a list of targets and there will be a line on that list where they wont go because it is not acceptable.

Shit like this moves that line so in the end it is like finally hitting the Crimean bridge... celebrate while you can but the consequences for the Ukraine are going to be rather worse than the consequences for Russia... bad as they might be.

Lowering the bar will mean ordinary Ukrainians will likely suffer a bit more but if that is a problem they can take it up with the US and Zelensky.

kvs wrote:Cell phones are banned for Russian soldiers. So who used them? DNR militia members?

About banning phones, well you can only do so much. Soldiers are known to be professionals when it comes to getting banned things in and out in all armies. There are reports of Ukrainian soldier phones being taken by Russians and used to call their relatives too. If you want soldiers not to have phones, then you need to take off them from Ukrainians. It's hard to control such things during active service. Not to mention that phones are used to control drones, that some soldiers have brought in privately. All I can say, I am glad I am not an NCO.

Who used them? No clue, some already dispute mobiks being stationed there. Who knows, could be DNR. Also, DNR militia already should be under Russian military, but I doubt that their standards didn't come close to the Russian military overnight.

The biggest fail was setting up a barracks in a school close to the front. This made it easy for some Ukr civilian or agent tagging the
juicy target and for Ukr HIMARS to attack it. You would think that 50 km from the front would be too close, but 10 km?

That's the main problem. Makes me think that phone usage could be a "possible cause", at this distance, it could have been that Ukrainian recon spotted them.

Also, I don't see a moral dilemma why schools can't be used as barracks if the enemy has no air dominance (Sucks for UAF) Schools when abandoned are the perfect place to keep soldiers. Almost like proper barracks. Plenty of toilets, canteens, briefing rooms for officers, storage spaces and so on.

I remember when Ukrainian propaganda cried that Russians bombed schools and killed kids... During the summer holidays... Before that Ukrainians were posting Tiktoks of them chilling in schools. Yeah...


Also, I don't understand HIMARS fetish that even Russians themselves have. If you look at Russian media, it's always HIMARS hitting civilians too, please Ukraine has still 152 mm and plenty of 155 mm for that and they were doing that for years after years. For Makeevka, it could well be 2S7 PION. HIMARS warheads that Ukraine currently has are the M30 series, anti-personel tungsten ball ones.

Anyways, as harsh it sounds, it's old news now, but it's been silent on the front

@Garry
89 dead... just the fuel they need to keep killing nazis... use the pain, learn from it and put it to good use.

This is not first time, it happened. I could understand if they hit some barracks around Belgorod or deep in LDNR with new type of weapon. Since this was merely 15 km from Ukrainian lines, this is pure stupidity. Especially since you had munition and the fuel, stored in the same building. Stalin would have shot the "genius" that is found responsible , on the spot. And I'm not a communist by any meaning.
Arkhangelsk is right about " not giving a ****" culture in Russia. It does exist.
And I'll give you another example from personal experience. PD can correct me if I'm wrong.
Our army was never caught like this during NATO bombardments in '99. Even if they had full supremacy in air and reconnaissance assets.

Those guilty of breaking the regulations seem to have been punished already and everyone around them... do you think taking away their gold star for being there and doing something about the nazi cunts is necessary?

Investigate, learn some new lessons and apply them and move on.

Just don't whine on the internet to other people about it like you are the only one that cares....

What is there to learn that haven't been learned already?
Priority is to stomp out those that continue to make same mistakes over and over. Usually, the best way is to make an example of a responsible CO and go overboard with the punishment.

I don't think it was just a cell phone.
I think the AFU knew it was a important target, that's why they hit it with so many expensive missiles.

It was a bad choice of building.
Apparently there were other industrial buildings some with decent basements that would have been better suited.

whether it was a cell phone or not - Those guys did not give a ****

They threw a party ...10km from the front

Those guys have some balls man

I hope that you do realize that the sole fact that you are talking about the same thing for the fourth day stands for its uniqueness?

In the meantime, Russkie wiped out several troops concentration spots, some of them bigger. As a daily basis practice.

Carry on, carry on, let all the bugs crawl out