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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:26 am

    "Both are fighting a superior force and cannot really stand out in the open to fight on even terms as they lack air control and decent artillery to really challenge their enemy.

    So the Taliban ambush while the orcs issue a challenge and mark a place on the map to meet the Russian forces on equal terms?

    Yeah, right."



    Ukraine is in the open fighting lol, ridiculous you are trying to defend this stance. This isn't an ambush war, this is a standard war.

    Yes Ukraine attacks spots that are defended by russian forces, and the russia does the same. They know each other are there, for christ sake. This is why I stopped replying to you, the things you say are just absurd,
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:06 am

    Odin of Ossettia wrote:The article claims that essentially the Russian military is full of stupid generals:

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-troop-loss-catastrophe-in-donetsk-outrages-russias-military-bloggers?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc

    The only thing the article proves is that The Drivel is full of stupid scribblers. Razz

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    Post  Regular Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:18 am

    ALAMO wrote:I hope that you do realize that the sole fact that you are talking about the same thing for the fourth day stands for its uniqueness?

    In the meantime, Russkie wiped out several troops concentration spots, some of them bigger. As a daily basis practice.

    Carry on, carry on, let all the bugs crawl out Laughing

    It's not a typical modus operandi, you would expect that from UA side. Also, there isn't much going apart from some Russian strikes behind enemy lines that are impossible to asses the damage due to how strict censorship is.
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    Post  ahmedfire Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:35 am


    De-electrisation of a substation in Ukraine showed by Ukrenergo

    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1610456579706392578

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    Post  ahmedfire Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:39 am

    Seems the Russians are distracting the Ukr ADs away by small air targets to give a change for the real missile or suicide drone for a successful attack .

    "Arabian wedding" air defenses over Kiev didn't stop "Geran-2" arrival at the TPP-5 (powerplant), huge explosion can be seen at the end of the video.

    https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1610422231154438146

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:50 am

    Arkanghelsk your English is really good but didn't they teach you about the use of paragraphs?

    Its OK perhaps to have single sentence paragraphs on a short post but when you do a long one, like on the last page, it makes it much easier to read if you block sentences about the same thing together. This isn't a mobile phone.

    Thanks in anticipation.

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    Post  limb Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:32 am

    Why is the MoD blaming the soldiers cell phones instead of accepting that a certain commander in the co0mmand chain is responsible for putting hundreds of troops in a building next to the frontline? This is victim blaming.


    First of all, you don't get the full point because Kiev claims 400 dead Russian soldiers in that attack, and the patriots who care about Russia have been right on most other occasions so it is more like 50 to 0.2.

    I never claimed ukrainian BS about 600 killed, I only follow voenkors. They said 50-100 got killed. You claimed voenkors were lying and nothing got hit.


    Listening to panic mongers is not finding the truth...
    Russian MoD response is cause for concern, because it doesnt claim responsibnility.


    Georgia is a HATO ally and makes Su-25s...
    I lumped in georgia with NATO. Even taking into account georgia, theres no way russia shot down 150 Su-25s. Theres no way ukraine has 350 aircraft shot down and is still flying.
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    Post  RTN Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:34 am

    Russian MoD says soldiers’ cellphone use led to Makiivka strike. Not much can be expected from semi literate soldiers.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/04/world/russia-ukraine-news#:~:text=Russia%20says%20soldiers'%20cellphone%20use%20led%20to%20deadly%20Makiivka%20strike.,-Image&text=As%20anger%20mounts%20in%20Russia,home%20in%20on%20their%20location.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:46 am

    ⚡ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (4 January 2023)

    📄 Part 1 (read Part 2)

    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

    💥 In Kupyansk direction, over 40 Ukrainian personnel, and 2 motor vehicles have been eliminated near Dvurechnaya, Sinkovka, Kislovka, and Berestovoye (Kharkov region).

    ◽ 1 sabotage and reconnaissance group of the enemy has been eliminated near Liman Perviy (Kharkov region).

    💥 In Krasniy Liman direction, Russian forces have launched artillery strikes at two assault detachments, manpower and hardware concentration areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic), as well as near Serebryanskoye forestry.

    ◽ 5 sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the enemy have been eliminated near Nevskoye (Lugansk People's Republic), Novovodyanoye, Serebryanka, and Belogorovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ◽ The enemy has lost over 150 Ukrainian personnel, 1 armoured personnel carrier, 7 armoured fighting vehicles, and 3 pickups.

    💥 In Donetsk direction, Russian forces continue their offensive.

    ◽ The AFU have lost over 100 personnel, 1 tank, 4 armoured fighting vehicles, and 5 motor vehicles.

    💥 In South Donetsk direction, AFU units made unsuccessful attempts to counterattack Russian forces' positions near Dorozhnyanka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ◽ All counterattacks have been repelled, and the enemy has been pushed back to its initial positions.

    ◽ Moreover, artillery strikes launched at AFU manpower and hardware concentration areas have resulted in the elimination of over 180 Ukrainian personnel, 5 tanks, 5 infantry fighting vehicles, 3 armoured fighting vehicles, and 10 motor vehicles near Vladimirovka, Prechistovka, Novoukrainka (Donetsk People's Republic), as well as near Chervonoye (Zaporozhye region).

    💥 Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian groups of forces have neutralised 83 AFU artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and military equipment at 107 areas.

    ◽ 2 U.S.-manufactured AN/TPQ-50 counterbattery warfare radars have been destroyed near Chasov Yar and Avdeyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ◽ 5 AFU ordnance depots have been destroyed near Orekhov (Zaporozhye region), Dibrova, and Konstantinovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ◽ 1 ordnance depot of a unit of foreign mercenaries has been destroyed near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #report
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    ⚡ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (4 January 2023)

    📄 Part 2 (read Part 1)

    💥 Within the counterbattery warfare, 1 launching ramp of Uragan multiple-launch rocket system (MLRS) has been detected and destroyed near Artyomovsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ◽ 3 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers have been destroyed near Pokalyanoye (Kharkov region), and Orekhov (Zaporozhye region).

    ◽ 1 D-20 howitzer and its crew have been eliminated near Serebryanka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ✈💥 Fighter Aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down MiG-29 and Su-25 airplanes of Ukrainian Air Force near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic), and Novopavlovka (Nikolayev region).

    💥 Air defence facilities have destroyed 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Zelyoniy Gai (Zaporozhye region), Blagoveshchenka, Petrovka, Kirillovka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Kremennaya (Lugansk People's Republic).

    📊 In total, 357 airplanes and 199 helicopters, 2,813 unmanned aerial vehicles, 399 air defence missile systems, 7,408 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 968 fighting vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,772 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 7,920 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #report
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    https://t.me/mod_russia_en/5661

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    Post  TMA1 Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:51 am

    Just an observation. Limb and RTN posting at the same time. Interesting. Aside from that I think that there was either treachery or some slithery Ukrainian sympathizers involved with this on top of constant western intel. Cell phones undoubtedly played a role.

    Let us move on. We dont need hectoring over a failure and tragedy for multiple days. I think we should wait for more information and go from there. Even our idle guesses mean little in this fog of war.

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    Post  limb Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:05 pm

    Just an observation. Limb and RTN posting at the same time. Interesting. Aside from that I think that there was either treachery or some slithery Ukrainian sympathizers involved with this on top of constant western intel. Cell phones undoubtedly played a role.

    Let us move on. We dont need hectoring over a failure and tragedy for multiple days. I think we should wait for more information and go from there. Even our idle guesses mean little in this fog of war.

    WTF are you talking about? The cellphone blame was posted 1 day ago. Its been discussed since. If you have something against me thats ok, but stop making retarded lies that can be disproven by going back one page, you look extremely lazy like that.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:14 pm


    RIP to all that died . I remember some here talking about hitting Ukrs soldiers , whilst they were still in Barracks , early in the war . I remember thinking that , I thought this to be legitimate or legal , but not sure if moral and practical . Since , I also remember that a retreating army , should not be attacked , but a way left open for them . Now during WW2 , before D- day landings , the allies in Britain , used dummy Tanks to fool the Germans about exact numbers and location for the landings , but they also made Radio chatter , to give false information . Here , if truly cell - phone signals were triangulated for attack , then Russians can put many cell - phones on the front and give false info etc . I think normal military Radio , can also be triangulated for attack . But no precise attack on Russian military HQ ? So it could be American satellites and not careless Generals . Easier to fire Generals than to fire at Generals ! If you know what I mean .However a test , will supply answers .




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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:22 pm

    More detail on the Nazi that was killed as per my post 423

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    Oleg Yurchenko, who was the organizer of the all-Ukrainian military-patriotic game "Falcons-Dzhura", an educational program of the Hitler Youth, during which children were given military training skills.

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:22 pm

    The Drive
    Puplishes in a country that created Generals like Hodges, Petraeus...  Laughing

    For months our MSM tell us that "Ukraine" is huuuuuugely successful. But there single largest strike against russian soldiers comes after 10+ months of the war?
    At New Year´s Eve?
    Tells you something about their real success.

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    It seems someone is driving his Moped along the border.  Very Happy

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:45 pm

    For months our MSM tell us that "Ukraine" is huuuuuugely successful. But there single largest strike against russian soldiers comes after 10+ months of the war?
    At New Year´s Eve?
    Tells you something about their real success.


    Second actually.
    The first one was smaller in scale, but they hit some Achmat units while they TikToked location a while ago. 40KIA or so, RAK ordered bloody vengeance back there. And Putin ordered a general audit why such stupid things happening. After that the number of Chechen originated materials dropped significantly.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:15 pm

    This story of hosting party 10km from line echoes moskva 30km from Nikolayev

    @Azi

    The article is targeting Russian/Slavic culture

    And the article is not completely wrong

    As I posted days ago

    In Russia you have dumb fucking guys who put welders next to metal chips and paint cans

    This is a negligent culture that was cultivated around end of USSR, 90s

    It's negligence to the point of laziness

    What happened on NYE party, was lax rules, and lax discipline

    Same as Moskva

    Same as Kuznetsov

    Same as Engels

    And the story repeats

    If Drive is saying Russian generals are dumb

    What they really are getting to, is that the Russian culture is lazy

    This shit could happen 4 times in a row

    Like Kuznetsov catching fire, and getting leveled by a crane and sinking the drydock

    Months later the kuznetsov catches fire again

    And in December the kuznetsov caught fire a 3rd or 4th time ffs

    Or Provorniy, the welder was left next to paint and chemicals destroying the entire superstructure

    Or Kursk, who's torpedoes were not changed out, and had faulty cap with peroxide issue

    Or Engels with not one air defense on perimeter

    Or Saki with not one air defense on perimeter

    Or Rostov, with not one air defense on perimeter

    Or malls throughout catching fire without sprinkler system

    Or Crimea Bridge without security connected to Ukraine by Crimea getting wrecked

    Yes we downplay it to not get angry

    And no it has nothing to do with Russian stupidity

    But LAZINESS

    it can happen 4 or 5 times, and the top boss doesn't get the message

    Unfortunately look at BSF, with Osipov

    - Saratov hit by Himars, sunk - salvaged and towed to Kerch , probably scrapped

    - 2 ropuchas damaged in same attack

    - Saki , got HIMARS

    - Moskva goes kaboom

    - Gvardeskoye catches HIMARS, Dzhankoi catches HIMARS,

    - Belbek - another HIMARS

    - Bridge Kaboom

    By that time Osipov should have been posted to Magadan, but what can I say

    No its not a doom,

    But it is a reality check, one needed for a long time

    I think a manual general is needed, one to put fire out when they spark

    Surovikin is not a micromanage, but one is needed

    I would be careful about drawing such conclusions

    Because for every negligent fleet commander, or regiment commander, or shipyard boss - there will be 10 that are if not especially gifted or earnest, at least do their job properly.
    It's just that it only takes 1 of them, not 10, to be negligent or corrupt or unqualified - to lead to such a disaster.

    Any military has such people too. When any army is faced with a full-scale war where the price of failure is a few mortar strikes on old Harrier jump jets on an airbase in Afghanistan, but missiles ripping through and taking out your latest hardware and dozens of your soldiers in an area of their concentration - then failures and individual incompetence will lead to exactly these sorts of outcomes

    There is no reason to make a philosophical molehill out of the sort of thing that goes on in war all the time.
    Did the Ukrainians start sulking over the hundreds of their places of temporary deployment taken out with all hands by Russian missiles? No they just covered it up and got on with the war.

    @Garry
    89 dead... just the fuel they need to keep killing nazis... use the pain, learn from it and put it to good use.

    This is not first time, it happened. I could understand if they hit some barracks around Belgorod or deep in LDNR with new type of weapon. Since this was merely 15 km from Ukrainian lines, this is pure stupidity. Especially since you had munition and the fuel, stored in the same building. Stalin would have shot the "genius" that is found responsible , on the spot. And I'm not a communist by any meaning.
    Arkhangelsk is right about " not giving a ****" culture in Russia. It does exist.
    And I'll give you another example from personal experience. PD can correct me if I'm wrong.
    Our army was never caught like this during NATO bombardments in '99. Even if they had full supremacy in air and reconnaissance assets.

    You also ended up in a war you could not win, and that's the first no-no by Sun Tsu's reckoning.

    I don't think there is a culture of whatever responsible. The priority of self-preservation in warfare tends to dismiss any such culture. Especially months into a war. Speaking of which, this war has lasted far longer than the NATO bombing of the FRY and involves a magnitude more ordnance and manpower - this or that screw-up can't be compared.

    A proper investigation needs to be conducted to figure out how such a monstrous amount of incompetence was allowed to take place. Maybe some people objected but they were silenced. Maybe there was some betrayal to the enemy going on.
    My feeling is that there was an feeling of false security due to Russian air defense coverage.
    It's a similar attack to the one that Russia carried out on Yaroyiv at the start of the war which took out hundreds of personnel and foreign mercs. They were also not expecting Russia to attack that far-out and Western mercs to boot. Don't know why.


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:22 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:UA put a gag order on everyone regarding what was struck at the train station and thereabouts, which was caught on film by chance by that French news crew. Big boom, definitely included ammo and/or fuel.

    Other wester journos on site reported, in real time at least 9 large impacts.

    Now they pretend it never happened and they're only showing that damaged ice arena nonstop.

    So, in other words...

    Seriously...

    Kuleba Invited the IOC President to visit Altair Ice Arena in Druzhkivka Destroyed by Russian Missile Strike
    https://tsn.ua/en/ato/kuleba-invited-the-ioc-president-to-visit-altair-ice-arena-in-druzhkivka-destroyed-by-russian-missile-strike-2236543.html

    So they really screwed the lid on TIGHT about the actual strikes and their results in Druzhovka, and then what in all honesty appears to be some rather minor secondary damage (possibly even caused by UA ammo cooking off at the nearby industrial area) to the ice arena is trumpeted far and wide, nonstop.

    Inviting the president of the International Olympic Committee... You know, Ukraine really sucks at PR, it's always so incredibly dumb and over the top all the time, not to mention absolutely FULL of contradictions and obvious lies, but they get a total free pass and that's why it somehow works anyway. Nobody ever dares calling them out on it.

    I mean for christ's sake, they've literally shown their own troops and defense systems messing up real bad, fully verified, and all it took was Zelensky or Kuleba or somebody muttering "muh, Russians" and that was it. UA shelling Donetsk for years, "muh, Russians"...

    Then, the constant cycle of:

    "Russia has as its explicit goal to kill as many civilians as possible" ->
    "Heavy Russian missile strikes injures two"...

    "Russia is running out of missiles" ->
    "Russia launches 110 missiles for the fifth day in a row"...

    "We shot down ALL of Russia's missiles" ->
    "Strikes recorded on important targets in 12 regions, severe power outages"...

    Back and forth, contradiction after contradiction. It's been like this since 2014, not only regarding the military side of things but everything else as well.

    Only thing even coming close to this kind of absurdity that I can remember are the Syrian "rebels" stuff that they disseminated to western audiences. None of it needed to be corroborated in any way, it didn't even need to sound plausible. It could be as cringy it's humanly possibly to make it, didn't matter.

    It was lapped up and relayed instantly. You know phenomena such as Bana Alabed, the "#HolocaustAleppo" thing, the "last hospital" being bombed (for the thousandth time) etc.

    Then, regarding Russia it's 180. There every funny rumor is latched onto like there's no tomorrow, every little thing that the government or any official says that can be disproven or at the very least doubted in any way gets headline treatment.


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    Post  billybatts91 Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:29 pm

    Ukrainian nutjobs getting more and more emboldened.



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    Post  franco Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:03 pm

    Long and informative article of the situation as of December's end. Fairly unbiased considering author is a Finnish professor.


    Current military situation in Ukraine crisis, end December 2022


    In the update article “Current situation in Ukraine crisis” of November 30, there were assessments on the political-military situation and possible trajectories, where the things are going. Here I am updating, particularly the military situation on the whole theater of war and assessing the probable military outcome. Some interesting and important new features and issues will be studied closer.

    Hotspots in the frontline, activities on battlefields

    In November, Russian troops went on the offensive in several directions on the Ukrainian front lines and declared significant successes in some areas. December has further confirmed this trajectory but the main tactics of Russia’s forces is still “meat-grinding” by heavy artillery and rocket strikes and slow advance of infantry troops. Frontlines have been quite stable during December.

    FULL ARTICLE: https://greatpowerrelations.com/current-military-situation-in-ukraine-crisis-end-december-2022/
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    Post  littlerabbit Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:10 pm


    It looks like Wagner pushed nazis a bit more in Soledar Wink


    https://mobile.twitter.com/UnerkanntW/status/1610609198210883592

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:54 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:whether it was a cell phone or not - Those guys did not give a ****

    They threw a party ...10km from the front

    Those guys have some balls man

    Yeah

    And now both them and their balls are worm food

    Should have opted to have some brains instead of balls

    Allowing themselves to be killed by bunch of apes, fucking embarrassing



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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:58 pm

    This will be the best lesson the new recruits could get.
    And I am serious - even those with quite solid military backgrounds lack the perspective of how detailed recon is being provided to the Ukrs. They never fought the kind of opponents as well.
    Have you noticed a radical drop in the shit the Chechens used to upload in every piece of net that sucked data? Toasting 30-40 of them taught the lesson well to most of the others. Now it will be no different.

    Edt : is it what I think it is?

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:10 pm

    Sig int is something that you cannot limit. ****, cellphones are like letters in past wars. Censor and silence. I really hope the lesson was learned. Its a critical teaching lesson and I hope the class only had to be taught once.

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:15 pm

    Edt : is it what I think it is?
    Bomb with wings. Differs from the proposed upgrade models seen so far.
    Did they replace the tail section or are this the standard "stabilators"?

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:17 pm

    Can´t confirm if true or not.
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