Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35

Japanese MMA fighter, in Tokyo

New post  SeigSoloyvov Today at 9:00 pm
I mean Ukraine said no to the ceasefire anyways so can't bitch if Wagner doesn't honor it

Thank you, Captain Obvious!

Japanese MMA fighter, in Tokyo

You can say to him how much he is wrong ... Maybe two times, if you keep your distance

Russian forces advanced further, all roads to and from Soledar are now under fire control (can be hit by artillery).

From this Wagner vid, some more infos.

They are being compensated for any trauma possible.
A leg, an arm, another...
Seems that the tariff changed in the meantime, for the better - so they will get up payments for that.
If some trauma is out of the tariff table - they will sort each case as a separate entry.
The gut left/up, who is shaking his head all the time. It is a PTSD, and Prighozin figured that out on the spot.

famschopman wrote:The bradley version really isn’t that important or relevant. The Tow-2B they carry is. In Iraq they made good work of tank crews. Not sure if any modern tank can handle the penetrator coming in from the top, penetrating and the blowing of the turret. You need a shtora system maybe on each tank to counter them.

Any tank with extensive roof ERA coverage can resist it. There's a widespread misconception that the two EFP warheads on the TOW-2B act in concert to defeat ERA. That is not the case; the two warheads initiate simultaneously and attack two different points. EFP slugs are also somewhat more susceptible to even light ERA like Kontakt-1, probably because they are much, much slower. In short, the TOW-2B is not any more effective as the other TOW versions, just a lot more expensive really.

Something is making NATO countries decide to send heavier and heavier weapons to Ukraine. My guess is they have intelligence that something big will happen within the next few months.

Collapse and depletion of current formations and need to rebuild/form new ones.

Not a surprise knowing the attrition. They can no longer drip-feed Ukraine as at this rate loses are irreplaceable

There is also the fact that now about all eastern weaponry that NATO has was already send, so no way to keep with them.

Salt mines, underground networks, essentially a giant natural bunker and weapons store.

“Bakhmut is the central point of the Eastern Front and a serious logistics center. And our task there is to die as little as possible, and to destroy the enemy as much as possible. Bakhmut's feature is in its unique historical and geographical defense capabilities, which include, first, the division of the city into several parts by water barriers. Secondly, the neighborhood of Bakhmut is a complex of settlements that create a unified defense system. Thirdly, this is a unique landscape, ravines and heights, which are natural tunnels. And the icing on the cake is the system of Soledar and Bakhmut mines, actually a network of underground cities. In which there is not only a cluster of people at a depth of 80-100 meters, but also tanks and infantry fighting vehicles move. And stockpiles of weapons have been stored since the First World War "

(c) Prigozhin via Intel Slava Z

Anyway too cut off, outflank, and starve and bomb it out sort of like Curland Pocket?

that Wagner prison program is great, some of those guys got the harsh lessons in life they needed, some died. Which IMHO is still better then dying in prison. Some will end up back in jail, some will stay military and be excellent soldiers, and some will go on to be normal civilians. He seems to really be a man of his word that fully intends to keep his promise. I found his instructions with women to be pretty funny. No rape, only love or money lol.

After the war ends, there is probably a small fortune to be made in scrap metal recycling.

Ironic that the west thinks so highly of Ukrainian lives that it is mostly scrap metal that arrives.

How many weeks will these vehicles operate with little to no maintenance and spare parts...

It can more easily sneak on the front than Bradleys. Bradleys will be targeted way befire they get in range by drones and artillery and on the front there are plenty of kornets waiting for them.

Even during the cold war the Bradley was criticised for needing to sit stationary while it guides its slow wire guided missiles... I remember a photo of a Bradley launching a missile in a British military magazine in the 1980s saying the TOW was a powerful missile but sitting still for 30 seconds guiding it to hit a T-64 firing back APFSDS rounds at 5 times the speed of sound was a bit risky...

Some of those thugs and criminals just needed another chance to become a war heroes.

When you have only ever received respect out of fear, I rather think this sort of respect will feel better...

It doesn’t matter what equipment Ukraine will get, they will be “green” on it, both using and maintaining it. This itself can be decisive factor

Another important factor seems to be the stuff they are donating is old shit and they are not supplying the spares and support and the ammo needed to keep them operating any real period of time. An article posted on this site a while back talked about light vehicles they had to stop using because their unique tires could not be replaced so they took them from damaged vehicles or they disabled vehicles to use the parts from them to keep the other vehicles running... or they dumped the vehicle.

Turkish officials report the results of the grain deal, that for every $1 Ukraine earned,
Russia earned more than $3. Moves like this, highly criticized at the time, are a big part
of why the sanctions blitz failed and state revenues continued to balloon.

They don't mention 90% of the grain went to european ports to benefit europe... a lot of it was used for animal feed for goodness sake... and they whine about Russia making money on grain sales... what a bunch of

In the end the result will be the same, but I think they have made a mistake moving to the north

But that is the point... the feint threat to the north was only a bluff if it worked to distract the enemy forces to the north to weaken their south so it could be forced.

If the Orcs had ignored the north then the Russians likely would have attacked from the north and then when Kiev scrambled to move forces to protect Kiev the Russians could have attacked them crossing the open country but also attacked in the now weakened south.

You don't give your enemy good options and no matter which he picks you try to make him pay for it.

Something is making NATO countries decide to send heavier and heavier weapons to Ukraine. My guess is they have intelligence that something big will happen within the next few months.

Interesting article on RT where two prominent Americans (condalisa rice, and some guy baker who are defence department ex's) say that Kiev needs a big victory really quickly because their military and economy is in tatters and only survives on handouts from the west so the west has to give as much as it can so it can get an advance or a victory in an offensive so they can start negotiations on a better footing with Russia.

Based on that I would say Russians best option is to continue continuing... grind them away in the south and keep hitting their energy infrastructure as well as logistics supplying their front lines and when they mass up for an attack they now have more guns and bombs and missiles to kill larger groups of enemy more efficiently... it will be a bloodbath.

There is also the fact that now about all eastern weaponry that NATO has was already send, so no way to keep with them.

Which is very important on many levels... first of all it means they start supplying more western weapons for which they are unfamiliar in use and maintenance, but it also means that these former soviet bloc eastern european countries will now have to spend real money on western weapons that are not actually better in many cases... just more expensive and apparently more fragile and also much more expensive... western MIC support this war obviously... now they fully have their claws in all HATO countries...

western intel knows whats coming. they can see the sat intel. They know how many tanks, SPGs IFVs are being staged. They can see the massive amounts of ammo being moved. They can see the trucks coming and going from the missile plants. All the helos, planes being readied. the stocks of diesel being prepared. All they don't know is when exactly.

Has anyone come across any reports on the 9M123 Khrizantema in the war? This is an especially intriguing system with its massive reach and radar. It should be able to wipe out targets in a 6  km radius. They should send it in with tanks to protect it and have it pick of anything it sees on radar.

Orbital intel is over-rated.   They can't see through clouds and using radar sounders is not a solution.  Even on clear days, the tracking
is a matter of interpretation and not simple observation.  NATzO supposedly fed the Kiev regime loads of intel but Russian forces could
withdraw from the west bank in Kherson on their own schedule.   NATzO isn't going to win this war with intel and some dribbling of
mostly junk equipment.   I am not sure what they think they can achieve.

edit: the post I was replying to disappeared.

Its not just orbital intel, they have high flying drones that can see quite far into Russia as well. Plus there are doubtless spies all over Russia.

Vid of 9m123 in action

Sure they have spies, but not spies that matter.

The problem with satellite observation is that a simple tarp over a truck and you can't tell if it is hauling fire wood or if it is a grad with different types of logs...

Khrisantema is interesting and has potential to get a range extension... I would think a lighter warhead could allow an extension of flight range and improvements in electronics and optics and radar should allow greater target accuracy and engagement range, but even AT-3 missiles would be useful for hitting point targets outside the range of small arms fire.

You don't need a 1.2m armour penetration performance to hit a room a sniper is firing from nor to hit a bunker or enemy position you are getting fire from.

The new model Kornet based on Tigr vehicles with 8.5km range anti armour missiles and 10km range HE missiles that can be used against drones would be rather useful too...

One of many possible things will be happening... Kiev expects a Russian offensive, but it needs something to happen as the Russian forces chip away at the territory the Kievs forces hold... eventually a point will be reached where the loss of any more land in some places means other territory they hold becomes too vulnerable to hold and they will have to withdraw... leading to a collapse in the line.

Now the Russians might be nice and let them withdraw, but with all the terrorism shit they might think... hey this is war... and hit the retreating Ukrainian forces hard like the US hit the Iraqi forces retreating from Kuwaite... the difference is that the retreating Orc soldiers will still need to be fought at the next line they try to hold so eliminating them makes things easier in the next phase, whereas the Iraqis withdrawing from Kuwaite was the goal of the US forces so their leaving was achieving their goal but they attacked and killed them in enormous numbers anyway.

For Russia, now they have the forces for an offensive, but do they start an offensive or wait till Kiev starts one and run Russias offensive on top of the defeat of the Kiev offensive... sort of like waiting for the German attack at Kursk, but with a follow up Bagration offensive to kick off when the German attack was stopped and crushed.

The point is that Russia isn't being damaged as much as the west is in this conflict and going back to being trade partners with the west is not something Russia should be wanting... so making this war last a bit longer is in their interests... despite the death and destruction.

Plus there are doubtless spies all over Russia.

You could see it that way, but equally this is an opportunity to get the coward traitors to expose themselves and get what is coming to them...

Garryb:

That is a good observation - of course it can also be said,

If the US is rushing to get infantry fighting vehicles, air defenses, and artillery, small arms and assorted kit and equipment for a spring offensive

Why not preclude that, by overrunning Ukraine where it is now, vulnerable and low on weapons and equipment ?

Maybe they can be hit so hard, that a spring offensive won't even be possible for Kiev

Hit them where it really hurts, go after the troop concentrations , logistics, and manpower

And just go hunting for Ukrainians, forcing combat until they're in a full-blown retreat across the Dnieper

The state television of my country (1st national channel) whitening and normalizing the Nazism

According to them, this is a "normal Ukrainian family" that just runs away from Putin and celebrates Christmas normally.

As you can see they have portraits of war criminals such as Bandera and Suskevich, Pravy Sektor flags and the coat of arms of the "Galitzia" Division of the Waffen SS.

Obviously these people are from Western Ukraine and have not fled because of the war that is 1000 kilometers away, but it gives a good picture of the dunghill that Ukraine is today.

Well, my uncle is married to a Ukrainian woman and her family is not like that at all, it seems that they have chosen a Nazi family to show the Spanish on national television as an example of the Ukraine

Could well be a normal Ukrainian family by now for all we know

mnztr wrote: Has anyone come across any reports on the 9M123 Khrizantema in the war? This is an especially intriguing system with its massive reach and radar. It should be able to wipe out targets in a 6  km radius. They should send it in with tanks to protect it and have it pick of anything it sees on radar.

There are few videos. Ukrainians using it early captures and Russians using it in Kherson.

Nothing to report. If you seen latest tank duel video where 3 Russian tanks dealt with Ukrainian tanks… engagement distance said is 500 meters in most duels. Not sure what hill or a mountain Khrisantema needs to climb to have such reach. It’s not desert terrain. Even flat farmlands have treelines. Absolutely niche weapon in this war, nothing BMD/BMP or BTR mounted ATGM launcher couldn’t deal with. I guess, best for Arab countries.


Re: Bandera family… it used to be caricature before the war

Now it’s normalised. But only because they want to have more brainwashed people to perish in the meatgrinder. Make no mistake, current government is using these elements for their agenda and as soon as war is over, they would put rowdy nazis back in jail like they did with Aidar (who are now free)

Current Ukrainian gov does what their masters say to do and will install globohomo liberal society and jail who doesn’t agree.

Some understand already that it’s a lost cause

Well, my uncle is married to a Ukrainian woman and his family is not like that at all, it seems that they have chosen a Nazi family to show the Spanish on national television as an example of the Ukraine

A normal Ukrainian family is struggling with blackout, bombs and missiles, decreased wage and living standard, weakening of labour power (thanks to the "reforms" of labour law by the Maidan regime) and probably many of them are cursing Zelensky and other the belligerents of this war for putting their country in a hell-hole like it is now.

What disgusts me most about the Western media is that they portray the Maidan regime as the whole Ukrainian country, while it is clear that Maidan regime is a puppet government serving the interests of foreign powers.