Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35

Ukrainians are a bunch of Varangians mixed with some Slavs, Vlachs, Mongols, Tatars.

Them claiming that "Russians are not Slavs" is worse than ridiculous.



http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944


http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

I do think the CIA may be involved in this.  Remember about 7 years ago the Red Army Choir died in a very curious plane crash on their way to Syria.  

Now then enough of conspiracy, I have read civilian cellphones were being used.  There's a reason those are prohibited.  This was a costly lesson, but hopefully a learned thing.  Nevertheless the fact is that these casualties are still far less than Ukraine has suffered on an average day.  

In coming days there will be commemorative stamps because that is the sort of enemy Russia has.  Make Ukraine pay, put paid to all foreign advisors.  US troops auditing the weapons they sent are fair game.  Polish mercs are fair game.  Also, someone needs to take out the Rada, and also please tell me why NATO diplomats are able to go to and from Kiev at will.  There needs to be no rail, air, road, internet, or phone links between the puppets in Kiev and their masters in the west.

Also the former "Ukraine" has a lot of Turkic and Jewish and various Asian. Lots with dark hair, even more so than in the European part of the Ru Fedn.
Infact Siberia was originally conquered by "Ukrainian" troops. Which meant more Asian mix with Ukrainian.
Then there is their own denialism about "Ukrainians" even being Slavic. Or that Slavs were genocided by their Nazi heroes.


Banderafilth saying Russians aren't slavs is like pygmies saying other races "aren't very tall".

Hoholistanis are just trash.
And half my family are from the Central (and some of the Western "Ukraine". The other half is British/Irish.
I myself have black hair, Golden Horde type "sallow yellow" skin and Asian type eyes.

Putin should import 500k N Koreans, directed by Chechens and say "finish these Banderafilth off once and for all".

^Both Russians and Ukrainians are mostly Slavic. Look at any genetic study.

They are definitely culturally Slavic which is more important.

Don't devolve (pun intended) into genetics and crap.

It isn't about that, it's about culture. Specifically, a cultural experiment gone wrong. Many different actors are responsible for messing "Ukraine" up to the extent we've seen over the past couple of decades. Both recent and historical, both domestic and foreign. So many aspects involved...

Goes way back, but say after the Thalerhof concentration camps in WW1 which killed off a lot of Russians, Rusyns etc in Galicia, the entire Petliura-Bandera story arc, the bizarre Galician anti-Polish and anti-Russian, highly contrived and nonhistorical hypernationalism that sprung up there in the wake of the Austro-Hungarian genocide could have been but a minor historical parenthesis. But they were given free reign to continue the genocide post-war. When the USSR later showed up, seeing the potential to use these morons to mess with it, they were further nourished by the German Nazis and post-war by the U.S, in the latter case in conjunction with a vast Banderist diaspora.

...and that's basically why it still exists today. Well, because of that and because of the USSR's surprising leniency. Sure, they offed Bandera and all, but the USSR supported general "ukrainization" - it looked good on paper to be as "multi-national" as possible, no matter how contrived it was in some cases.

Of course, Ukrainian/Galician hypernationalists today will tell you a diametrically different story, of how they've always been oppressed and blah blah blah. It's BS.

I will not post good news and believe almost anything the MoD says until:

Liman is taken
Avdeevka is taken
Marinka is taken
Artemovsk is taken
Slavyansk-kramatorsk agglomeration is taken

Why?
What will change when those locations are occupied, as to the trustworthiness (or not) of the MoD?

And yes, nazi whores who come to russian land to kill civilians and spread their trash ideology deserve to be raped, because I dont believe in the death penalty.

Keep your sadism to yourself
I mean it quite literally. It makes the rest of us bad if you write such unchallenged.

Himars is an inferior system to the tornado S. Still, no photos of its destruction, just like no photos of ukrainians destroying any smerch or tornado S.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. For either side BTW.
I've been over the reasoning already as to why you won't get such photos. TL, DR - there is nobody and nothing to photograph them, and they probably cart away these wrecks the next day anyway, same PR priorities in their contract of use as the reason why no NATO tanks have been supplied to the Ukraine.

Dr. Snufflebug wrote:Why would a bunch of civilians be in a closed-down vocational school on New Years?

It is likely that there was some sort of gathering between locals and soldiers in the school and that this led to the security breach.

So 9 of 10 attacks were thwarted by the russian side (drones shot down, terror cells destroyed). At the same time Russia inflicted
horrendous casualties to the Ukros and their masters but as usual everybody is just talking about the one incident. The Twitter war
continues.

#Ukraine has officially announced the total number of prisoners that it returned on exchange from #Russia. Since Feb 2022 this is 1596 people. Of these, 1464 are military, another 132 are civilians.
Also, 869 bodies were transferred to Ukraine. - "Ministry of Reintegration".

https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1609995891334578179?cxt=HHwWhoCwjfWu7dcsAAAA

Yes, Isos, that's why fags from your US-owned EU-topia colony don't allow Chinese transport planes to fly to Serbia and to deliver three additional rocket batteries of the FK-3 system.
And not to mention two batteries with the "Pantsyr" system and 4 Mi-35M.
The smelly and rotten West that still gets money only through pressure. There is no question of quality anymore.
Now they started putting pressure on China as well. It won't turn out well.. Well, you'll definitely be driving Chinese cars in 10 years - mark my words.

Russia can licence produce those drones. They are a cheap solution to get something they really need.

Forpost-R is still present in too low numbers. Then they can get deliveries from China for the missiles and produce some locally.

 Isos Today at 10:45 pm

I strongly doubt that those drones are better than Inokhodets (Orion-E for export).

This is something new...now planes go first?


https://mobile.twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1610024623470419968

What's wrong with Chinese cars? Anyone drove the new ones? Not everything coming out of that place is AliExpress-level knick knack these days, you know.

Kind of off-topic but I think people are seriously underestimating what I could best describe as "10x Japan" is actually capable of. Say they're at "Toyota" now, soon enough they'll put out "Lexus" as well and rival premium European brands.

Wow This topic has went off the rails into slagging matches, talk about slavs or not slavs, how Russian forces are shit, leadership is shit, pages of himars Vs tornado, assumptions that are borderline nonsense and streams of childish insults. I remember when people came here and posted information for fairly reliable sources, and gave a reasonable opinion/views. It seems now that there is quite a few trolls, haters, and people who have clearly joined the forum recently to disrupt it, and quite possibly a few double accounts. Has western MSM infiltrated the forum? Lol. I have to admit reading over the last ten pages your lucky if there is decent information/views that would fit on to one page, sad to see the forum end up like this.

On another note people harping on about why Russia hasn't did the great big offensive they are talking about. Well it's pretty obvious. They are most likely waiting until all mobilization forces are trained, various conditions in weather are favourable, supplies are built up, certain terrain has been taken, certain threats are neutralised or the bulk of threats (AD systems, M270, Himars, SP artillery, etc) a large offensive takes time to plan a d prepare, and for it to be successful the right conditions and timing is important. The Russian military are not daft despite what many on here might think, and remember they arent just up against Ukraine, but Ukraine with NATO support which involves multiple aspects. Had this just been Ukraine on its own it would have been over long ago. Russia needs to outwit Ukraine and it's NATO supporters and that isn't easy. And you can bet that NATO will continue to make it difficult for Russia right down until the last Ukrainian has been sacrificed.

This is far bigger conflict that Syria ever was. And the Geo politics far greater and far greater risks being taken. The consequences and outcome of this conflict will be felt globally and will most likely change the future power balance, and Geo political landscape. Hence it needs to be done right. And yes it's war there is going to deaths on both sides and on occasions large deaths incidents will happen, no need to get all hysterical, and descend into insults, slagging matches spewing nonsense everytime it happens it serves zero purpose and brings nothing constructive to the forum. We would be totally naive to think that the Russians are some kind of super army that don't suffer casualties. Western nations suffered plenty of casualties facing a far less technically advanced Taliban in Afghanistan, as well as the USA in Vietnam war. But the fact remains that Russia has been inflicting far more casualties on Ukrainian forces and in some incidents far more than this recent incident. Even Zelensky is starting to admit through gritted teeth that Donbass losses are starting to be painful and difficult situation as he put it.

So let me hope we can get back to some normality on the forum and start posting either informative or reasonable views/opinions instead of diatribes or nonsense.

Some light relief from all the shit being sprayed around today in this thread.




Then some real skill.

Orion is like 2 times bigger than this drone. Not the same class. This thing can operate from almost any road that is long 400-500m. It is very small, even smaller than Forpost but can carry 2 missiles.

That's something they desperately need in mass. At least 400 such drones are needed. They can also buy directly from China the Ch4 that Serbia also bought. .

Back to the war




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Arthur Morgan
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eyewitnesses report that there were more than 200 #Ukranian fighters in #Druzhkovka at the time of the missile attack. Accurate numbers not confirmed

Isos Today at 11:29 pm

You are somewhat right but...
I don't think Forpost-R has a long term future as it is an export variant of IAI Searcher.
I think that in the near future the Russians will switch exclusively to products patented in Russia.


The most important characteristics of the CH-92 are known: wingspan 9 meters, length 4.1 m, height 1.6 m, maximum take-off weight 300 kg and payload up to 60 kg. The cruising speed is 120 to 160 and the maximum is 190 km/h, while the practical peak of the flight is 6000 m. The aircraft can stay in the air for up to 10 hours and be at a maximum distance of 250 km from the command station. The general TTK for the CH-92A has not been published so far, and on the manufacturer's website you can watch a video showing that there is a variant of the aircraft that can be launched from a moving vehicle, which does not have a fixed tricycle-type landing gear but has skis on which it can land . It was this characteristic that was key in the statement of the President of Serbia in September.
For the CH-92A, the manufacturer states that it is a reconnaissance and combat BPL that can carry an optoelectronic and infrared system as well as two precision-guided bombs (or rockets according to the author) to perform various tasks. It can be used for intelligence gathering, reconnaissance, surveillance, detection of enemy positions, correction of artillery fire, precise strikes on targets of great importance and the so-called. TST targets (time sensitive targets) as well as for evaluating the effect of combat action in real time.



The FT-8D is one of the smallest, if not the smallest, in the family of Chinese small-caliber weapons, or in this case rockets, which are used to arm unmanned aerial vehicles. According to available data, it has semi-active laser guidance and a range of up to 5 km. It is quite certain that the first Serbian combat UAV will also receive Chinese electronic equipment, however, it is not specified whether this also applies to ground guidance stations.
Although it is not yet known with certainty how many CH-92As will be procured, according to official information, the Serbian Armed Forces will receive three batteries with 6 or 9 aircraft, which, according to the official statement of the President of Serbia, was paid 30 million dollars (it is not specified whether technology transfer is also taken into account). Until now, for this BPL class, it has usually been practice for a battery to have two to three aircraft controlled by a single ground station. Also, the army will receive more batteries with an additional number of combat UAVs after the Pegasus redesign.

The choice of the CH-92A was most likely influenced by the fact that its tactical and technical characteristics are very close to those of the Pegasus, we officially know that the payload of the Chinese aircraft is 20 percent higher (recall that the payload of the Pegasus is 40 kg, which also applies to electronic equipment). All the similarities between the Chinese and Serbian UAV can make it easier for engineers to refine the Pegasus to the desired appearance and satisfaction of the given tactical-technical requirements.



General characteristics for Pegaz (Pegasus)

Russia is running out of missiles again. Looks to me like the average memory span of a NATO mass media consumer is less than a few days.

I was doing some research on Su35 performance and what I see is that it is stunning,

This aircraft has shot down mig 29, helicopters, su27

Not only but su35 scored kill on S300

This su35 used KH31

I wonder if the usage of su34 in CAS role, instead of as su35 is on purpose

Because I see distinction in how su35 is used, at high altitude hunting with R77, Kh31,

While Su34 flies low and uses rockets and bombs to provide CAS

I wonder if Su34 were employed as su35 is, it would probably have the same survivability

I think VKS should focus on drones in a CAS role, and keep su34 hunting radars at high altitude like su35 is used

This is why drones should be used in a ckose air support role, and I mean Medium sized drones like Inokhodets

If a regiment could be formed as an assault unit of the VKS or even attached to the army as army aviation brigade

A full complement of 24 machines per district

We talk of less than 200 drones to have permanent combat patrols close to friendly units, and when resistance is detected, to be used as CAS role

That way losing 15 machines in 1 year , can be justified and easily replaced

While su34 , can perform long range missions

In Makiivka, 78 dead, 136 wounded. The numbers will grow as long as there are others under the rubble. The main damage from the explosion of ammunition in the building and 5 tons of diesel fuel. Many suffocated under the rubble from the smoke of burning fuel, which was stored in the basement of the building. 9 armored vehicles destroyed.

All responsibility lies with the military-political leadership of the DPR. The Maldives and Dubai are canceled, everyone is urgently collected in Rostov.

The press has been warned not to comment or ask uncomfortable questions. There will be no public statements, the perpetrators are not yet planned to be punished. The president is aware of the events, but in what context it is difficult to say.

The strike was coordinated by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Talk and gossip about working mobile phones, a static radio picture and fireworks are groundless. They hit on the area digitized by the satellites of the Mask, corrected several gunners from among the local residents.

In addition, it must be taken into account that since December 29, the US Department of Defense has hung 32 satellites over the LDNR.

https://t.me/vicktop55/11034

here's an update from Russell Bentley:

About the deaths of at least 63 of our guys in Makeevka on New Year's Eve, from THE Commander, Alexander Khodakovsky -

"When something like this happens in Makiivka, impotence overwhelms. Powerlessness is not in front of the enemy - in front of ourselves. We will defeat the enemy only when we defeat ourselves. We knew that the points of our permanent deployment were on the kill list, and we took all measures to minimize the presence of people there as much as possible. Well, it's obvious that they will hit the clusters - would we have acted differently? What happened cannot be changed, but a recurrence can be prevented, and if after this tragedy measures are not taken for similar situations, the execution will need to be returned first of all for those whose inaction leads to such consequences.

It’s not to command in the heat of battle under stress, it’s not to make decisions in the headquarters basement with constantly breaking communications, when the situation changes every minute, and the idea of \u200b\u200bit “hangs” - it’s to sit in a warm, dry room deep in the rear and either bother thinking about possible consequences, or to act according to a simplified scheme. In the conditions of increasing the resource near the front line - that is, in the affected area - more than one Makeevka vocational school is under threat. We know that there are still objects with an increased concentration of personnel known to the enemy - we are waiting for the reaction of the military leadership. If it does not exist, but there will be another blow from the enemy, the failure to take measures should be regarded solely as a betrayal.

https://t.me/TXDPR/4176

Seems like Russia is not above pure emotions of vengeance.

Multiple known concentrations of UA soldiers, including WIAs were struck by Russian precision munitions in the last two hours.

Does that make you doomers any happier?

Many hundreds now definitely dead, that was a serious series of strikes just now. Mind you, on the actual battlefield, UA also suffered hundreds dead in the past 12 hours.

@Dr.Snufflebug
It is nothing to be vengeful about. Military combatants were killed. This is what happens in war. I don't think that there is any reason to go soft on Ukrainian army after everything that happened in the last 10+ months.
As for Makeevka, responsible CO should be court martialed along with whoever else is found responsible. If it is to believe story about ammo and diesel fuel stored in the same building, there's even more reason for it. That explains why the building was completely flattened ( and if you check satellite images, this was not a small building).