Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35
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Do you mind posting the images of Russian glide bomb kits you posted some time ago ?
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@Flamming_Python
Do you mind posting the images of Russian glide bomb kits you posted some time ago ?
Huh?
Wasn't me, Mac
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I do not know what Poles are you talking about?
Perhaps there are some deranged and greedy psychopaths and rabid haters of the Russians, but I am sure majority of these "Poles" are ethnic Ukrainians from Poland.
Ethnic Poles fighting for the Ukrainians is similar to those Blacks fighting for the Confederacy during the U.S. Civil War.
http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944
http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html
Anybody going there from Poland should permanently stay there.
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Flamming_Python wrote:
Huh?
Wasn't me, Mac
I see. sorry.
I remember images of old Glide bomb kits for Russian dumb bomb posted here sometime ago but i cant find it...
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Problem with russian GP bombs is that the wings at the end (or the stabilisator ring) are fixed.
They can be easly removed from western bombs and their copies (Iran, China) but on russian
bombs you have to forcefully remove them which increases the cost of an upgrade.
That´s why in the proposed upgrades seen so far the wings and guiding equipment is stuck onto
the standard bomb (or vice versa).
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How can unguided rockets like HIMARS lock onto targets? Certain cruise missiles can but not rocket artillery.
This strike was probably carried out by NATO and not Ukros. Either that or NATO was able to triangulate the target and passed on the co ordinates to Ukros who launched the HIMARS.
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30x ka52 is a lot. In contrast, the Mi-24/35 low.
The losses of the SU-25 high because no new ones are built.
SU-30SM should be replaced.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/03/list-of-aircraft-losses-during-2022.html
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Comrade, if you consider ORYX a reliable source of information, I really don't know what to write to you !!!!
According to ORYX Ukroshitstan lost just 15 MiG-29 and 7 Su-27 ?????????
And you transmit such information here?
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Tolstoy wrote:
This story of HIMARS locking onto cell phone signals of Russian troops and hitting their target doesn't add up.
How can unguided rockets like HIMARS lock onto targets? Certain cruise missiles can but not rocket artillery.
This strike was probably carried out by NATO and not Ukros. Either that or NATO was able to triangulate the target and passed on the co ordinates to Ukros who launched the HIMARS.
HIMARS are guided, it use GPS but yeah it is not anti radiation missile. Someone must supply coordinate to it. and it doesnt have to be NATO as Ukraine does have their own means of ELINT and there is commercial company out there which actually offers Space based ELINT satellite reconnaissance which one can purchase service for.
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So don't bro
Someone who is citing oryx is either a lost cause or a purpose entry
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Good evening bro..
That ORYX used to have a title like "Defense of Europe or attack on Europe" at the top of the page, so it is clear what kind of page it is.
The TRUTH was killed IMMEDIATELY at the beginning of the conflict when all Russian media were banned.
To the people who believe that the Russians lost a Zillion planes and Ukraine only a few dozen, I really don't know what to write.
And those who are grasping for REGISTRATION MARKS, I can only add that there is NO PROBLEM to write RF-34567 or RF-54567 on a certain plane or helicopter (which was shot down earlier) and then claim that ANOTHER aircraft was shot down..
The Russians have losses and losses are inevitable, but the losses shown on ORYX are for the gullible and pro-Ukroshitstan crowd.
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Flankers have the skies closed by AD so they won't loose anymore of them because they don't go beyond the front.
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It is information. They make the evaluation. They don't like them. For PR these are too "small" numbers. Let's briefly accept these voices.Podlodka77 wrote:Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Today at 8:43 pm
Comrade, if you consider ORYX a reliable source of information, I really don't know what to write to you !!!!
According to ORYX Ukroshitstan lost just 15 MiG-29 and 7 Su-27 ?????????
And you transmit such information here?
So 30 modern aircraft have been lost in almost 10 months. Per month 3.
The SU-24 can be replaced from the warehouse if necessary. The MIG-31 also (no struggle loss). The buying of the Kazakh MIG-31B should be a top priority. For reasons of protection from transfer to the West.
There are two things with the list that disturb. The losses on SU-25 and KA-52. These are not a demoral -resistant values. But the SU-25 production would have to take place where the two-seater were built, is that possible?
The KA.52 production would have to be increased. The question is, is the Mi-28 better because apparently fewer losses?
Don't be guided by feelings. You are welcome to do information Balhnen. But then this forum is not required.
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No it is not.
It is piece of shit proved to be one hundreds of times.
To the people who believe that the Russians lost a Zillion planes and Ukraine only a few dozen, I really don't know what to write.
What is the most absurd part of the story, is the fact that very same people who are pumping this idiocies are using the Russian numbers as a backup.
Like : the Russkie said that killed hexylion of puf puf, while the Ukraine had only 1/2 of puf puf!!!
They are trying to make idiots of all of us. Hoping that we won't know that 404 is being supplied on a constant basis.
The numbers doesn't adds up anyway, so they switched the propaganda even further
Who was the idiot claiming "150 Su-25" lately? While nobody called that number ever, and Ukrs disposed all of Su-25s the NATO had at disposal, including all the exWarPac and Georgia stocks?
Who was the idiot calling the "himars" number, while the "name" already includes M270, German MARS, and some other systems already and surely delivered?
Sorry, I ceased to recognize them by a name and will call all the herd same
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As for the Su-25, I am CONVINCED that Ukroshitstans took pictures of some of their downed Su-25 and attributed it to the Russians.
I do not forget that the "teacher" of all Western spy services was the ABWEHR, Goebbels, Kanaris, etc.
I still do not believe that the Su-35S was shot down, because I have never seen the plane burn as a whole during the fall, that is, the plane did not fall into pieces during the fall.
Although the Russians did not disclose the case of "Moscow", which I personally increasingly believe to have planted a mine, or the "Saki" airport, the West killed ANY possibility of the Russian side being heard in the Western "civilization". It is the clearest indicator of all indicators. So the Russians are not at all open, which no side in the conflict has ever been, but Russophobia and the pressures and propaganda of the West have no equal.
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Mi-28N has been used less than Ka-52. That is the reason for lower combat losses. Ka-52M is in production so any losses which do occur can be replaced. In fact they delivered 10 Ka-52M helicopters to the Air Force just this year. And they are supposed to deliver 20 more next year under the pre-war contract. As for the Su-25, there are shittons of them in storage. As for the Kazakh MiG-31 AFAIK these are older models without MiG-31BM electronics upgrade and if Western intel got access to them, which I would not be surprised if they had already, the loss would be minor. The electronics and weapon systems the MiG-31B uses are basically legacy at this point.So 30 modern aircraft have been lost in almost 10 months. Per month 3.
The SU-24 can be replaced from the warehouse if necessary. The MIG-31 also (no struggle loss). The buying of the Kazakh MIG-31B should be a top priority. For reasons of protection from transfer to the West.
There are two things with the list that disturb. The losses on SU-25 and KA-52. These are not a demoral -resistant values. But the SU-25 production would have to take place where the two-seater were built, is that possible?
The KA.52 production would have to be increased. The question is, is the Mi-28 better because apparently fewer losses?
Oryx is part of Bellingcat which is paid propaganda from Western intelligence. They persistently undercount Ukrainian losses, count losses of Russian aircraft outside of the area of operations as Russian combat losses, count vehicles which cannot be positively identified like Su-25, T-72B or BMP-1/2 as Russian, and sometimes count the same vehicles more than once.Don't be guided by feelings. You are welcome to do information Balhnen. But then this forum is not required.
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Are the numbers of the SU-34?
Are the SU-30 numbers correct?
Are the numbers of ...?
Which numbers could not be right? The KA-52 probably, the SU-25 possibly.
But even if these "losses" are right. It is almost a normal annual production. So economically not a fiasco.
If the production could be increased to 1.5x, growth would also be possible normally.
Ukraine can no longer replace it. Neither with aircraft nor helicopters. In the case of drones, the Ukrainian AD may also be missing.
This can no longer be replaced. Neither quantitatively nor qualitatively.
In the case of loss reports on soldiers, tanks and much more, the reports from the West are always 10 times less for Ukraine and 10 times higher in Russia.
But if these figures are correct from the "West", I don't worry. It is neither economically nor militarily a situation triggers concern. Even more, it shows that SU-35 and MIG-31 have no problems. The same applies to Mi-24 and Mi-28.
So even if that is the best fake of the West in the event of losses in the air, it is simply not a thing to worry.
Mind you, it took many months to use a staggered AD based on the Russian model. NATO has never had such an AD as an opponent. Such an ad have a maximum of 10 countries all over the world. 9 of them all with Russian material.
You reject the source, ok. You reject them without arguments, ok. You can do. I assume the worst and take these numbers and see that even with these numbers it is not a fiasco. Not with the Ukrainian ad with NATO support.
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Have you noticed that the loss of a pilot crew is really not possible to deny?
We have the names&details in a few hours.
For both sides.
Ever cared to clash those?
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These dimwitted propagandists have still until now ukro-fascist Tunguskas sites as russian losses.
This famous picture of Ukro-fascist rats who set on fire their own unoperational tunguskas for propaganda videos, which later showed even more ukro destroyed equipment with painted jobs of "Z" markings in post-processing of videos. There were even videos from 2014/15 and Syria used as "Russian" losses.
I have checked all Ka-52 losses and more than half are bullshit with no proof whatsoever. Picture of 10 km away of smoke, no video or footage evidence of what it is that is burning is ridiculous.
So, if you or anyone else decides to post missinformation, designed and proven numerous times to be on payroll of the fucking West, an eternal enemy of Russia, then don't play victim if people call you out for your bullshit.
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Without arguments you say. Even if you go to Wikipedia you can read this:You reject the source, ok. You reject them without arguments, ok. You can do. I assume the worst and take these numbers and see that even with these numbers it is not a fiasco. Not with the Ukrainian ad with NATO support.
"Oryx, or Oryxspioenkop ... is run by Stijn Mitzer and Joost Oliemans. Both have previously worked for ... Bellingcat."
Then you have this:
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/24/author-bellingcat-opcw-whistleblower/
"Bellingcat has hauled in grants from the National Endowment for Democracy, a US government-funded CIA cutout."
Case closed.
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