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    Post  sundoesntrise Fri Jan 13, 2023 4:31 pm

    Technically it's not untrue. Attached map was shared by Slavyangrad and is 12 hours old. As shown Ukrainians still hold the western edge of Soledar. Not sure how up to date the map is as of now as Wagner has supposedly entered the settlement 'Sol' not too long ago.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jan 13, 2023 4:45 pm

    @ Dr.Snuffle

    Yeah, I can tell they are holding firm Laughing

    **WARNING: GORE**
    https://t.me/ghostnewsx/4271

    I know I had a friend tell me that something happened to Russian troops and then proceeded to show Ukrainians getting pounded but then the media typically says they were Russian. I told him those were Ukrainians and he was "oh. Our media lies again. Go figure".

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    Post  Isos Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:25 pm

    Pipeline again destroyed in Europe. Any guess who did it ?


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:05 pm

    More than 170 people were evacuated from Soledar to Shakhtyorsk, DPR, where they are provided with food and accomodation. Many want to continue to Russia.

    https://m.lenta.ru/news/2023/01/13/evakuaciya/

    Frankly amazing how people actually stayed in Soledar until the fighting was over.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:17 pm

    PMCs and the army tested a new scheme for storming cities in Soledar, by Daria Volkova, Evgeny Posdnyakov for VZGLYAD, 01.13.2023.

    The Russian Defense Ministry noted the serious role of Wagner PMC during the battles for the liberation of Soledar. The department reported that PMC fighters directly stormed the city blocks of the city, while regular forces blocked the city from two directions, crossed the transfer of enemy reserves there and provided fire support for the attack with aircraft and artillery. Where can this new tactic be applied in the future?

    The offensive, which ended with the defeat of the Ukrainian military in Soledar and the capture of this city, was carried out by a diverse group of Russian troops. The task of storming the city blocks occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine was successfully solved by the actions of the volunteers of the assault detachments of the Wagner PMC. This was announced on Friday by the Russian Defense Ministry. In a message on the Telegram channel of the defense department, the actions of the Wagner fighters were called courageous and selfless.

    From this message it follows: a heterogeneous grouping, which included both the "Wagnerites" and the fighters of the Russian Armed Forces, acted according to a single plan, which included the solution of several combat missions. Among them: the blockade of Soledar from the north and south, the isolation of the fighting area in the city, the blocking of the transfer of reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from neighboring areas and the prevention of the exit of the Ukrainian military from the city. Also, the troops supported the advancing assault and army aviation, rocket and artillery strikes on enemy positions.

    Recall that on Wednesday the founder of Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, announced the  establishment  of control over Soledar. It was noted that the Armed Forces  of Ukraine lost  200 people while trying to counterattack the city.

    The liberation of the city was completed by Thursday, the Ministry of Defense stated . The department emphasized that the occupation of Soledar is of great importance for the continuation of a successful offensive in the DPR. In particular, it opens up the possibility of cutting off the supply routes of Ukrainian troops in Artemovsk, located to the southwest, and then blocking and taking into the cauldron the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remaining in this city.

    As a military expert from the LPR, Colonel Vitaly Kiselev, told TASS , the assault units successfully knocked out soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from apartments in a residential area in Soledar, which were putting up fierce resistance. According to Colonel Kiselyov, among the Ukrainian prisoners the fighters of the 77th Separate Airmobile Brigade, an elite unit, predominate. Apparently, British mercenaries who were killed in Soledar served as its curators.

    As the VZGLYAD newspaper noted earlier , after the liberation of Soledar, Russian troops can be expected to move towards the city of Chasov Yar, located southwest of Soledar (20 km in a straight line) and west of Artemovsk. It could be assumed that the next target after Artemovsk should be the urban agglomeration of Slavyansk - Kramatorsk - Druzhkovka - Konstantinovka. But first it is necessary to destroy the line of defense from Seversk to Artemovsk.

    In any case, when advancing in such a heavily urbanized region as the Donbass, regular Russian troops, as well as the Wagnerites, will have to repeatedly fight in urban conditions.

    “In the situation with Soledar, we have witnessed a new type of city assault.

    The city was blocked from the south and north by the Russian paratrooper units of the Ministry of Defense in close cooperation with the Wagner PMC groups. On the ground, they were also assisted by the artillery of the Ministry of Defense. From the air, aviation also worked on targets, including assault ones, ”a military expert, captain of the 1st rank, Vasily Dandykin, told the VZGLYAD newspaper.

    According to him, the American command saw the effectiveness of such work by a bunch of PMCs and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and decided not to set up the so-called “Mozart Group” against them in Soledar, a private paramilitary structure that operated in Ukraine last year. “But all our assault groups still have hard work to do in the well-known Soledar multi-kilometer branched tunnels, so it’s too early to celebrate a full-fledged victory,” the source added.

    “Apparently, in order to further develop the experience gained during the storming of Soledar, to improve the interaction of military personnel, “Wagnerites” with armored vehicles, moral and material motivation, as well as volunteer detachments like “Bars”, the head of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Valery was placed directly in charge of the SVO Gerasimov," Dandykin suggested.

    Of course, it is problematic to liberate a more or less large settlement with the help of one Wagner, says military expert Vladislav Shurygin. PMC Wagner is a very compact organization. It does not have a large number, so we can talk about this company only as an executor of tasks in a specific area. For example, there may be a distribution of responsibility: for example, Soledar and Artemovsk take Wagner, somewhere they are supported by the army, and somewhere only the RF Armed Forces are involved", Shurygin believes.

    So, we recall that units of the ground forces, the marines of the Black Sea Fleet (the participation of the 810th Guards Brigade of Marines was reported), the Chechen special forces supervised by Adam Delimkhanov, and the 1st Corps of the People's Militia of the DPR, including the battalion, participated in the liberation of Mariupol Sparta".

    “The idea that all cities can be taken exclusively by the Wagner PMC is vicious and incorrect. The scale is not the same. And it’s not right to make only stormtroopers out of the members of the campaign,” Shurygin said. He believes that "if the capture of the city is not on the agenda, then the Wagnerians can not be used," since "a good soldier must be able to carry out an extensive list of tasks."

    At the same time, during the liberation of Soledar, it was really possible to observe the coordinated actions of regular units and PMCs, experts say. “PMC is a commercial organization that fulfills a certain order or plan. That is, the company does not act on its own, everything is coordinated during operational planning. The direction, the perimeter, the required number of armored vehicles and aviation are determined, and so on,” points out retired colonel, military expert Anatoly Matviychuk.

    “We can assume that during the assault on Soledar, the Russian Armed Forces provided the Wagnerites with a clear sky and cut off the perimeter, and the “assault squads” of PMCs were already taking the land. De jure, on the battlefield, PMC fighters fall under the command of army commanders to complete tasks. In fact, this work is built a little differently, the Wagnerites have their own commanders, but in any case everything is consistent with the actions of the RF Armed Forces,” the source said.

    In addition, there are still clear dividing lines on the battlefield so that our forces do not come under friendly fire, Matviychuk pointed out. At the same time, it was the effective interaction of PMCs and the regular army that made it possible to quickly and clearly solve the tasks set and occupy the city, ”he believes.

    “If we talk about the advantages of a private military company in an armed conflict, it is worth noting that the military of such organizations is motivated more financially than ideologically. In addition, the most severe discipline, responsibility and mutual responsibility usually operate within PMCs. All this allows you to achieve your goals faster and more efficiently,” the expert sums up.

    https://vz.ru/society/2023/1/13/1194810.html

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:27 pm



    bakhmut is still going to be a long while to capture.

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    Post  ludovicense Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:55 pm

    @Faytuks
    JUST IN: Christine Lambrecht (SPD) has decided to resign as Germany's Defense Minister - BILD

    ............................................

    I don't know if she opposed or supported the delivery of the Leopard 2s.
    If she was against it, it was certainly pressure from the USA.

    Germany is a humiliated country. The Poles are in America requesting support in the demand for 1.3 trillion dollars in compensation for WWII


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    Post  thegopnik Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:59 pm

    WTF is going with Russia's command anymore. Why did Colonel General Teplinsky have to leave?

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:00 pm

    "Off topic but a word about Poland. They have a good army but nothing that could contain a russian attack. Their f-16 are outdated. They don't have an AD to stop russian missiles and the size of the country allows to hit anything with Iskanders. Meanwhile they don't have weapons to hit russian key target.

    Their only solution would be an ukrainian scenario where they loose their conventional weapons and stick with special forces attacks with some long range rockets systems. They have the same nationalists like ukraine but most of population would flee the war.

    Of course that's a 1 vs 1 scenario. In reality Nato would support them."



    You have no idea about Poland.


    1) Most of the Polish military are pencil-pushers, bureaucrats in uniforms. There are no more than around 20 000 to 30 000 real combat troops in the entire Polish military.

    2) Not much of a chance for waging partisan warfare in Poland, as it is one of the most disarmed societies in the world (years ago I posted a map about it on this forum, on a different thread).

    3) Poland already gave away for free a large portion of its armaments to Ukraine.

    4) Other countries give nothing to Poland in order to compensate for #3.

    5) Poland has started to buy armaments from abroad, but so far only a grand total of ten South Korean-made tanks have arrived.

    6) Polish nationalists are a joke.



    Does this sound like Poland is a major military power?


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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm

    According to Col. MacGregor it may not have been a coincidence that shortly after the NS pipelines were blown up, Poland asked Germany for WW2 compensations and the new Baltic Pipe pipeline between Poland and Norway has been completed. Maybe they are hoping that the US will make Germany pay Poland's gas bills with the compensations. Germany can be blackmailed very easily and the solidarity within the EU is crumbling anyway.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:21 pm




    The whole compensation thing is apparently an election ploy, as there will be parliamentary elections later this year in Poland.


    Keep in mind that the current prime minister of Poland is a suspected BND agent.  lol!

    Very recently the Polish government has agreed to the stationing of the German troops in Poland. lol!


    You have no idea how full of shit these people are.


    In this whole "alliance" scheme it is the U.S.A. that uses Poland, not the other way around. If that were not the case, Poland would already be receiving help from the U.S., but that has not taken place thus far.

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm

    There's some turmoil in Stavka. It's still not 100% clear that Teplinsky is really out of the picture, but everything points to that. Why would you change him after only 6 months, while he was getting acknowledgement for his work?
    He was a protegee of Lapin, and we know what happened to him. Not to mention that Teplinsky, originally, comes from VDV and that he was ideal for this position.
    It seems like there is some internal conflict at the top of the Army. I am still of the opinion that Surovikin's new position is, practically, a demotion.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:25 pm

    @Odin

    The Polish Parliament passed a bill yesterday that made the country's judiciary and Supreme Court subordinate to the EU yesterday. Not only that, PiS and the libtards did a squeeky one two where the latter abstained whilst the former nodded 'Yay'.

    The reason: access to frozen EU funds. This is symbolic of Poland. These are not serious people on a serious mission with serious resilience. They are weakwilled loudmouthers that give up when faced with the slightest pushbacm basically condemning every Pole alive to EU servitude (and that's a sinking ship) and everything that comes with it.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:45 pm

    Backman wrote:Fake news that Ukraine is making up. I personally wouldn't have a problem with this. But it aint happening
    Russian fighters in the uniform of the Armed Forces of Ukraine penetrate the headquarters and destroy Ukrainian officers

    In one of the new messages, they write that PMC "Wagner" in Ukrainian pixel camouflage with yellow and green armbands penetrated the positions of the 17th tank brigade through holes in the defense and reached the battalion's command post, where they shot officers and soldiers with pistols with silencers.

    Well the thing is that this would be illegal... for a military

    But Wagner are not military, they are mercenaries hence Geneva Suggestion does not apply to them and they are not obligated to follow it ergo someone is shit out of luck


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    Post  limb Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:03 pm

    If wagner fighters got chemical burns from ukrainiygas attacks, why dont they take pictures of the burns?
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    Post  Hole Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:12 pm

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    No begging needed. They´re coming to the frontlines.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:03 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:More than 170 people were evacuated from Soledar to Shakhtyorsk, DPR, where they are provided with food and accomodation. Many want to continue to Russia.

    https://m.lenta.ru/news/2023/01/13/evakuaciya/

    Frankly amazing how people actually stayed in Soledar until the fighting was over.

    Some videos:
    https://tass.ru/obschestvo/16795595

    https://readovka.news/news/128288

    RIA has a bunch as well, including interviews with people from Soledar who endured it all and greeted the Russians (PMC Wagner as it were). Unfortunately, I live in free and democratic Europe and RIA is blocked by my ISP, on governmental order. No VPN set up yet...

    But search and ye shall find.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:01 am

    I am not gonna speculate on any crap that may or may not be going on behind the scenes. Others are much better at that.

    I do find it funny how Zaporozhian Ukrainian Volodymyr Rogiv became distinctly Russian Vladimir Rogov once he was "Russia-installed" in his own city/region though.

    Language as propaganda really fascinates me.

    Kinda like how 100% Russophone Belarusian oppositionists overnight changed names in western media from their actual, normal Russian to near-unpronounceable "Belarusian" transliterations, in a forced attempt to make them seem "less Russian".

    Zelensky himself was an average everyday Vladimir to everyone, including himself, until the same cringy shift occured too.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:22 am

    What are the Orcs they always mention on both side ?

    Lord of the Rings fans on both sides...

    Abandoned Krab

    Ohh noo... the Russian military now have Krabs... I think you can get ointment to treat that now... Twisted Evil


    Tuvans in the Zone

    Interesting they use RPG-30... expecting APS systems on enemy tanks?

    These kinds of systems are often used in city security structures. Sound source triangulation made by the microphonic net allows for determining the location of shootings, crashes, unrest etc.

    They already announced they deployed Penecilin, which uses thermal and audio to passively detect and track enemy artillery and forces.

    A Ukrainian in Kiev and another at the front:
    It makes it pretty clear the kind of morons (probably drug addict) that are being shredded in the front lines.

    Pretty stupid to wind up soldiers like that... I rather suspect that guy has probably committed all sorts of crimes so attacking some civilian in Kiev would be nothing for him, but then his chances of making off the front lines alive are probably pretty low...

    Pipeline again destroyed in Europe. Any guess who did it ?

    Ironically the damage is to Europe... reduced capacity will effect Europe more than it will effect Russia.

    As a military expert from the LPR, Colonel Vitaly Kiselev, told TASS , the assault units successfully knocked out soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from apartments in a residential area in Soledar, which were putting up fierce resistance. According to Colonel Kiselyov, among the Ukrainian prisoners the fighters of the 77th Separate Airmobile Brigade, an elite unit, predominate. Apparently, British mercenaries who were killed in Soledar served as its curators.

    So essentially the Russians took a town held by western trained Ukrainian special forces supported by western special forces... that is interesting.

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    Post  Regular Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:38 am

    A Ukrainian in Kiev and another at the front:
    It makes it pretty clear the kind of morons (probably drug addict) that are being shredded in the front lines.

    That’s the most disgusting shit I have ever seen. Low and despicable thing and I don’t even support Ukraine. This could be easily used against Russian soldiers too by some rich fagg streamer in Moscow.

    This is very passive gay LIBERAL behaviour. Ukraine is basically where it is because of people like him - he didn’t worry when people in Donbas were killed, then when his own are dropping - he even mocks them. Instead of wanking next to his PC he could maybe do civilian duty and help his own countrymen.
    Anatoly Shariy hates Zelensky and current gov, but he helps with food, medicines, generators for Ukrainians, especially the old ones. They are fucked when electricity goes down. He doesn’t touch military things, but does something productive.

    I just hope that the streamer ends up called to military he mocked and then gets decommissioned by Russian artillery.

    Sorry, but I hate this zoomer gay elitism so much.

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