Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37
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Russia should hurry in one thing. That is to take southern Ukraine. If it is not taken the west will try to settle a base there to oust Russia from the black sea.
Any "western" base in southern Ukraine is a legitimate target, the west shouldn't be popping up bases in places they do not belong.
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Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The US considered Azov heroes at first in 2014, then they were officially designated as a neo-Nazi terrorist group until 2022 when they suddenly became heroes again, right?
Kinda like Al-Qaedas character arc from being the heroes against the USSR in the 1980s to the terrorist villains in the 1990s and 2000s, to the stand up heroes again once they started fighting against secular Damascus and its Russian protector in Syria (and now some of these Syria-veteran jihadi headchoppers are on Kiev's side in Ukraine, having failed down there, but now doubly "heroes")...
To be honest, I think these geopolitically expedient but otherwise mindblowingly dishonest and disgusting switcharoos are a major factor why the non-western majority of the world is "pro-Russian" when these two civilizations if you will wind up clashing.
The many who are morally appalled by western behavior but on the fence in practical terms tend to be ultimately wrestled into full western submission by the threat of sanctions and whatever else in the way of leverage the US has over them.
You can add the Kosovo Albanian KLA/UCK and Chechen nationalists & wahhabists to that list of nefarious MFers who the West has supported. The atrocities perpertrated by the West in their quest for global dominance is simply appalling, yet most idiots in the West have zero clue about the sh!t done by their Overlords.
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They provided thousands of ATGMs. Nothing. Then HIMARS. Nothing. Then IFVs and artillery. Nothing. Now the first batch of modern MBTs.
If that goes through without any significant consequence, I am betting the US will provide hundreds of Abrams tanks combined with long-range missile systems. Possibly a few dozen F-16s as well.
They are just seeing what they can get away with. Obviously they want Russia to pull out the tactical nukes so they can pass a large UN generally assembly sanction regime against Russia, therefore achieving their goal.
It will be interesting to see how the leaders in Moscow intend to deal with this threat.
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Obviously they want Russia to pull out the tactical nukes so they can pass a large UN generally assembly sanction regime against Russia, therefore achieving their goal.
Who will pass this large UN assembly sanction when Washington is glowing in nuke radiation?
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NATO's strategy is so transparent it is kind of humorous. They test going over each of Russia's "red lines" and see what the reaction is.
They provided thousands of ATGMs. Nothing. Then HIMARS. Nothing. Then IFVs and artillery. Nothing. Now the first batch of modern MBTs.
If that goes through without any significant consequence, I am betting the US will provide hundreds of Abrams tanks combined with long-range missile systems. Possibly a few dozen F-16s as well.
They are just seeing what they can get away with. Obviously they want Russia to pull out the tactical nukes so they can pass a large UN generally assembly sanction regime against Russia, therefore achieving their goal.
It will be interesting to see how the leaders in Moscow intend to deal with this threat.
Considering that you never wrote anything smart before, you didn't surprise me this time either.
The story about nuclear weapons is a story that the WEST plants, the Russians do not mention these weapons at all.
So, the Ukroshitstans are dying at a ratio of 10:1 and they probably lost at least half of their best-trained soldiers, as well as the military equipment they have been using for decades, but do you think this is crucial ?
According to you, everything will be changed by a few hundred western tanks (even if they send 3000 western tanks it is still nothing) and a few dozen or hundreds F-16s. And because of that western garbage, the Russians will use tactical nuclear weapons?
Ukraine may, if they already get ATACMS, hit Sevastopol, the Crimean bridge, or some border town in Russia. That's about it.
On the other hand, Ukroshitstan as a "state" will be devastated even more, the number of refugees will increase, and Western military equipment will fill Patriot Park in Moscow...
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You mean besides predicting exactly the last 3 months of the war?Considering that you never wrote anything smart before, you didn't surprise me this time either.
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In the matter concerning the destruction of Pukrainian cities, I recommend Uralganzavod to develop a 300 mm version of the TOS thermobaric warhead with a range of at least 50km. This increased range and firepower will enable the Russian army to turn NATzO infested Pukranian cities and dugouts into a sea of flame with zero survivors.
Meanwhile in the strategic front, Russia will need to build up their nuclear arsenal up to the peak level of the USSR to ensure that any NATzO aggression will result to NATzO Extermination *(100), having the capability to destroy all of NATzO 100 times provides a powerful psychological deterrent to any aggressors.
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Considering that you never wrote anything smart before, you didn't surprise me this time either.
You mean besides predicting exactly the last 3 months of the war?
This is the last time I am writing this; "The match is played until the referee blows the whistle"...
It's one thing to give your "opinion" and it's quite another to write idiocies about how the Russians will use tactical nuclear weapons, even though the talk about nuclear weapons comes exclusively from the West.
The West doesn't even have enough tanks, especially artillery, infantry fighting vehicles or armored vehicles to start a war at Russia's doorstep - do you understand that ?
Airplanes are a different story and the use of hundreds and hundreds of Western airplanes would DEFINITELY cause Russia to go from SMO to a state of war.
Your complete rambling in your message starts from the point of view that the WEST is at an advantage, while I don't see that to be the case.
Unlike you, I know that the world is no longer the same as it was until February 24 of last year.
And if you're going to be ORACLE for the new Matrix, look for a role in Hollywood.
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How Russian shooters became the most important success factor in the liberation of the DPR.
Active clashes in the Donbass in many cases are conducted on the streets of cities and towns, in residential areas. This is what is happening now in Maryinka on the outskirts of Donetsk, on the Avdiivka and Uhldar directions. One of the tools that helps to solve combat missions in urban areas is snipers. Their value is understood by both sides of the conflict. And up to a certain point, the VFU even had a certain advantage in experience : individual companies of high-precision shooters in their composition began to form earlier than in Russia, back in the early 2000s. Correspondents of Izvestia visited the sniper units of the 1st Army Corps of the RF Armed Forces, saw their exercises, understood what allows our fighters to level the difference in experience and technical equipment,and learned how the massive use of drones influenced the tactics of snipers during the NMD.
Sniper character
“We cover our guys, we suppress enemy firing points, machine gunners, we also liquidate snipers,” says a sniper with the call sign “Tourist” about the tasks that he solves today during the fighting in Maryinka.
The sniper unit of the 5th brigade of the 1st Donetsk Corps is participating in the battles during the NMD starting from Mariupol. Its fighters were among the first to gain experience in urban offensive battles and faced Ukrainian snipers, both full-time, highly experienced, and those who were trained at an accelerated pace.
The enemy, armed with modern foreign sniper systems, in battles in open areas has a technical advantage in the range and accuracy of firing. Donetsk snipers are armed with SVD rifles of the 60s, many with only standard four-time optical sights. Some of the weapons have been tuned with trophy parts and thanks to volunteers.
But in urban battles, in buildings where fire is conducted at shorter distances, the training of personnel and tactics of action come to the fore. According to the fighters of the unit, where the enemy cannot realize technical superiority, they fight with him on an equal footing.
During the battles for Mariupol, "Tourist" himself provided support for the work of the sniper unit, and then expressed a desire to master this military specialty himself.
- To become a sniper, a person must be psychologically and morally stable. His work is an art that can be mastered all one's life, - tells "Tourist" about the requirements for personnel.
Some of those who wish are eliminated at the stage of training, some already during the course of hostilities ask to be transferred back to the infantry. Among the difficult moments, according to our interlocutor, are situations when a sniper comes under heavy artillery fire while in a camouflaged position. In this case, there is nowhere to hide and there is no escape.
Before the start of the NWO, "Tourist" was a builder and, when the hostilities are over, he is going to return to the civilian profession. The cities of Donbass are badly damaged, and he wants to rebuild them.
“Donbass is a character, and a sniper should have it,” the fighter sums up.
Ukrainian beginning
For many years in the post-Soviet space, it was the Armed Forces of Ukraine that had one of the most advanced sniper schools.
There were no specialized sniper units in the Soviet army. A fighter armed with an SVD rifle was a regular member of a motorized rifle squad. The same structure was in the airborne troops and in the marines. The experience of the war in Afghanistan has shown that snipers are a special kind of fighters, and it is much more effective to bring them into specialized platoons or even companies.
But the first such units were formed in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In the early 2000s, sniper companies appeared as part of the motorized infantry, airmobile and air assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ukrainian high-precision shooters were trained in the Armed Forces of the United States , Great Britain, Germany and other NATO countries. Kyiv also sent its snipers to almost all international competitions.
In the Russian Armed Forces, the first specialized sniper units appeared only in the late 2000s. At first, these were sniper platoons, which a few years later were reorganized into companies. Later, special units of high-mountain shooters appeared in special forces brigades, units and formations of the Airborne Forces and Marine Corps. Now the Russian Armed Forces are paying close attention to the development of sniper business. The work of sniper pairs and squads is even spelled out in combat regulations. And future high-precision shooters are now being trained in special courses.
Precision combat
At a small front-line shooting range, the resting shift shows us practicing the basic techniques: moving into position, camouflage, leaving under the cover of a smoke screen after opening fire. A couple of shooters work together, homemade camouflage suits are really well-chosen for the nature of the area.
Constant training is necessary even in combat conditions. Rifles worn out with large shots are replaced, they must be brought to normal combat, the shooter must get used to the new weapon.
In enemy operations, snipers of the 5th brigade note a noticeable drop in the level of training. Apparently, during the previous period, VFU lost a significant part of the trained personnel. At the moment, there are noticeable problems in the actions of Ukrainian snipers associated with accelerated training or lack of it.
During the NWO, the massive use of UAVs has made adjustments to the work of snipers. "Quadrics" are already becoming one of the main enemies for high-precision shooters. Now, when disguising, it is necessary to take into account the possibility of detecting positions from the air, and the snipers themselves have to fire at hovering enemy drones.
https://iz.ru/1459682/dmitrii-astrakhan-aleksei-ramm/donbass-eto-kharakter-i-u-snaipera-dolzhen-byt
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Yes, I think that dropping thermonuclear bomb on Kiev will solve everything.
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In the matter concerning the destruction of Pukrainian cities, I recommend Uralganzavod to develop a 300 mm version of the TOS thermobaric warhead with a range of at least 50km. This increased range and firepower will enable the Russian army to turn NATzO infested Pukranian cities and dugouts into a sea of flame with zero survivors.
What's wrong with you?
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Yes, I think that dropping thermonuclear bomb on Kiev will solve everything.
What's wrong with you?
Well, apparently, using different means of destruction (although produce the same results) can minimize the risk of political backlash. So if using nukes may lead to UN sanctions, use thermobarics instead to obliterate NATzO forces in Pukraine.
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Russia should stop talking about red lines. For example today's statement from Dmitry Polyanskiy about red lines is ridiculous.
Nothing wrong with this, what I want to see is for Russia to cross NATzO redlines and make sure significant numbers of NATzO citizens are destroyed in the process
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Viktor Murakhovski spoke about an initiative of creating an experimental tank battalion, which would test new armour fighting techniques and strategy. I didn't hear anything since, so I guess MoD didn't allow it.
Silence might mean the idea died, but equally silence might mean they are doing it and don't want to effect the results by broadcasting which units and where the test will take place.
Do you really believe BRICS can remain this way? Or is it more likely it will just be the platform for the rise of Chinese hegemony. First it will be BRICS, then BRIC, then RIC, then IC then C.
BRICS isn't built from the start as a hero worship pyramid temple with the US sitting alone at the top and is very English (the language not the country) centric... and colonial... and very focused on US culture, on consumerism, and to make very rich (white) people richer at the expense of everyone else.
Its future is not certain, but the Chinese population is going to decline like most advanced and educated countries do.... who is to say India does not get to 3 billion first and it dominates everything?
Russia should stop talking about red lines. For example today's statement from Dmitry Polyanskiy about red lines is ridiculous.
The fact that the west think they are in control and believe Russia is weak and about to collapse because they believe their own propaganda is not Russias problem... continue to warn them there will be consequences...
What they really need to do is remind them of the consequences of ignoring red lines in the past... like the ones that resulted in this conflict starting.
Putin was considered weak till they invaded... but even now they clearly don't understand what weak actually means.
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There would be roughly 32m not 20, and going hu favorable percentage for you there are still millions left for Ukraine, once Russia kills about 2-3m then I might be willing to agree on the running out o men claim.
You can dress up inaccurate numbers all you want doesn't change a thing.
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For UA it's around 140 000 at the lowest, likely much higher. My estimated 1:10 ratio that I made more than half a year ago still appears reasonable.
UA has a lot more potential meat to throw into the grinder, no doubt. They could conceivably sustain it for years, but we're already seeing UA forcibly grabbing retirees off the streets, so clearly they have issues.
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That is the whole magic. The counter is ticking each minute.
What boggles me are the 200k number given by the Brits loooong time ago.
Sure the Brits have a long record of spreading total shit, yet that shit was directed opposite.
The only guess I can make is that the data Ukrs provided, for money, weapon and provision supply imply gave this number when they did math.
As math is racists as we can see by SS case, the outcome they get was fabulous.
By clashing the numbers Ukrs presented on paper with the real values they have on the ground, turned out to be 200k missing.
So they had two options.
Pretend that this is a number of KIA back in SUMMER, and pray the number does not leak, or open a case of mass defraudation&money laundering.
Choose to lie back then? Or the number was already real?
No matter what was the truth back then, we face a situation when there are at least 0.5mln KIA/WIA/POW at the moment.
Most of them being a core Ukrowehrmacht trained for years, and battle-hardened in Donbas. Volunteers, nazis and patriots (no matter if we like the name or not).
And just by doing the math (racist!), we talk 10k more each week.
Tick tack tock.
He may have hinted at it or called for it, but there is no guarantee that this is what he'll get.
Why, in fact, would Poland want some Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk and the rest of these places as part of Poland? To have more Ukrainian nationalists within its borders?
The problem here is, that Poland seems to lack any national interests policy in all that mess for years.
Not last year, not since 2014, and not since 2008 either.
Poland's policy towards Ukraine is de facto antiPolish for at least the last 20+ years.
Yanuk, no matter what we think about him, was the most pragmatic ruler of Ukraine.
He steadily improved Ukro-Polish relations, reaching its peak in 2012.
Made a struggle of dechuvinisation of Ukraine, dismantling the bandera occultism.
He should have been a black horse of Poland, if we consider Polish sole interests.
Yet he wasn't. He was threatened by "Polish" MFA to be hang on a tree, in public.
The whole EU run of some Ukro elites was de facto harmful for Poland.
Not only we would face a bigger country as a candidate for absorption of EU grants, but a mass relocation of EU business would follow. That would mean draining of a capital that was targeting Poland earlier. Ukrainian agriculture was a direct threat to Polish farmers, a giant market and huge sponge for EU grants absorption that would potentially drain the cash flow.
Yet, Poland was openly advocating for this.
Earlier, a constant robbing of the pipes by the Ukro thugs created a threat for stability of supplies for Poland, and should have been reacted by joining the Russian initiative of independent gas/oil delivery system.
Nothing like that happened.
Not only Poland was openly advocating for proUkro position at own expense, but a drunken Kwasniewski was stupid enough to claim that openly.
What can be the cause other than hidden Ukrainian diaspora influencing the overall Polands strategy towards Ukraine for three decades?
Sounds like a tin foil hat theory, but I have never met any other theory that would put the blocks all together.
An interesting fact is, that Mr. Kwasniewski was born&breed in Bialogard - one of the enclaves where Ukrainian resettlers were located in the Vistula Plan.
A coincidence, of course.
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They are just seeing what they can get away with. Obviously they want Russia to pull out the tactical nukes so they can pass a large UN generally assembly sanction regime against Russia, therefore achieving their goal.
If Russia are forced to use nukes, there wont be a UN general assembly to worry about.
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Based on conventional warfare Russia is doing a mighty fine job. Not only is the Ukraine army pretty much destroyed down to the last driving Lada, but Nato as well. You think these countries have plenty of well maintained, modernized weapon systems with spare parts and ammunition within the expiration date?
Again, a few dozen tanks are nothing. The front is huge and those tanks face artillery that made the land at night look like you landed on the moon, Russian tanks are scanning the horizon with modern optics, UAVs in the air expose your position, and even if you pass all of that some guy waiting with an ATGM will take care of you.
Western economy is in shambles and not on a similar industrial military scale and needs basically a year to just build one system.
One thing is for sure. The concept of NATO, being able to defend, has failed completely.
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