Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38

How many russian marines were captured?

What happened in Kharkov and Kherson?

You don't mean when Russia did an orchestrated pull out almost 2 weeks before Kiev pushed in and claimed fake victories.

I agree. But that wasn't the point I was making.

I am just saying, the US has taken an entire country prisoner. And manically giving it arms. They are literally going all in. Nobody should assume they will do anything rational. Which makes these arms deliveries a bit more unpredictable than it seems.

For all we know, they will use F-16's as literal kamikazes.

This is not exclusive to just Marines. Both Russian and Ukrainian army just throws armoured vehicles at problems. Vuhledar is a shitshow and very poor performance by both sides. Well, now Russian marines are being paraded as POW. At least this batch wasn’t executd

Ukrainian marines are there, it's some of their best units.

Why is it a shitshow, on what are you basing that judgement?

Was Stalingrad also a shitshow and poor performance by both sides because it went back and forth for half a year?
It's called a battle.
Bakhmut also hasn't been captured yet, but we know that this is a result of the strategy adopted by Russian command; they don't want their units to stick their necks out, and there is no rush.

I really don't understand some of you people sometimes. Unless you have the casualty reports and the daily sitreps and a list of orders that were given and attempted; you don't have enough information to judge on these things. Only when its very obvious, such as much more casualties visibly suffered by one side compared to another.

This is akin to Ukrainian suicidal tactics in Kherson we laughed at, this summer.
https://t.me/voenacher/39252
Check this video on telegram.

This is like watching monkeys try to play a game of chess

The Ukros at least are justified, chernobyl fried their brains and we know they don't care about living

But to see 155th just try to charge into the city blows my mind

It's like Kharkov 2 out there

Literally they are driving forward into ambushes and losing half of the company in one retarded charge

How the **** is there no real ISR ? Why is Russia bogged down against a 3rd world shithole ?

NATO arms? But I thought those weren't gonna make a difference?

Too much cannon fodder? But I thought Ukropia was on 10th wave of mobilization and they had less than 18 million ppl according to some clowns on here

So what is it? If the NATO weapons don't make a difference and they are running out of men, how can they give battle to Russian army?

There is a reason for panic, but that reason is because someone was once again irresponsible and opened the cage from which Limb and Arkhangelsk came out. The two of them are worse than women on period.

Doomers are back it seems, driven into a frenzy by the usual suspects on Telegram

Prepare for : "these are actually ukrainian vehicles", "losses happen, they did what they could", "actually very few troops died because I say so", "youre a meanie troll", "actually ugledar was a probing feint"

There is a reason for panic, but that reason is because someone was once again irresponsible and opened the cage from which Limb and Arkhangelsk came out. The two of them are worse than women on period.

10 months. ll just say this: 10 months, and no lessons learnt

Any unit on both sides outside of wagner, 6th cossacks, sparta battalion, and maybe 1st slavic brigade is hot garbage at attacking and taking onjectives in this war.
Show me a single offensive in the last 6 months where russian marines, russian VDV, or motostrelki advanced more than 5 km without wagners help.

There is a reason for panic, but that reason is because someone was once again irresponsible and opened the cage from which Limb and Arkhangelsk came out. The two of them are worse than women on period.

+ Cavity Emperor, know it all Regular with his matter-of-fact commentary, PD deigning to contribute a coup de grace

Aaaaaaand the verdict is through. Russian marines don't know how to fight, are useless in Vugledar, being captured left and right, and are mimicking Ukrainian suicide offensives in Kherson by getting a tank company ambushed by some artillery and having to abandon the vehicles on foot
Just a den of defeatism and misery.

They know how to fight, but the generals and their colonels are retards.

Good commentary from tg:

Everything is bad with Ugledar.
Our advance has faltered.
The enemy counterattacks, bringing up fresh reserves.
We have two battered brigades there (heroes, of course) and the OBTF.
But the heroes are commanded disgustingly.
Pavlovka's experience taught me nothing. And now Pavlovka, busy with nothing, does not alleviate our tactical position. She also shoots from the heights of Ugledar. There are no attacks from it (from the lowland upward in front of the enemy's eyes it is difficult), the supply also does not go through it. Why did they take it - just xs.
Our entire January attack on Ugledar came from one direction - a little east of the city, to the area of ​​dachas and mines.
They took the dachas with a swoop, tried to cling to the outskirts of the city. Khokhlov reinforcements came, knocked out of the dachas and the city. Now we butt heads for the dachas, clinging to their outskirts. And so the enemy went on a counteroffensive, relying on Ugledar.
Firstly, you do not need to attack the city itself in the forehead, this is an extremely fortified point. You need to surround. Already wrote about it.
Secondly, if the ram's stubbornness and tactical stupidity of the highest ranks (surnames are known, there are a couple of generals) still makes for some reason to fight head-on against a heavily fortified city, then you need to go in at least from two directions, and increase the outfit of forces three times . And that will be a big loss. But they would. So far, all the losses are in vain.
Trying to attack again and again without changing the direction of the attack and without adding strength is a sign of military idiocy.
Addiction to repeated frontal attacks without any success and without regard for losses was the scourge of the Red Army in 1941 (poor command and control) and the Japanese army ("Banzai!") throughout the Second World War.
Under Ugledar, it's all about two idiots in our command posts. Well, there is one for sure who is directly in charge of our forces near Ugledar. There is nothing to argue about, the results themselves speak of the quality of combat planning and control. It's a pity for the fighters and the equipment that they put in vain.
Everything is straight forward for now:
“Vanya (in this case, Muradov) is sitting on a bench, hammering 3 kopecks with horseradish, wants to make 3 rubles - they don’t come out. I”

Why is it a shitshow, on what are you basing that judgement?

marines lost as much vehicles as ukrainians did in their september kherson offensive

I mean its right to call out that dumbass charge the russians did...you've got to be next level dumb to do that, hell if I was one of the men, I'd have told the guy to gave the order "Hell no are you high?"

Cavity Emperor, know it all Regular with his matter-of-fact commentary, PD deigning to contribute a coup de grace

Son, it's all good with me, if you're fine with watching your compatriots getting slaughtered due to sheer incompetence of their commanders.
Once more into the breach ( replace breach with head into the wall), dear friends.

It's like the fucking bridge charge where Lapin blew up a company worth of BMP3 trying to attack a crossing at the same point 3 times in a row

And you gave this asshole 300k mobilized? FFS
How is a marine company being ambushed?

Seriously how?

A recon detachment with a lone bmp? Sure
But 10+ tanks wasted by arty?

It's just incompetence,

And where is the VKS? They're grounded now?
No more lobbing rockets at nothing anymore?
Just staying on the runway?

on the chance i stick my dick in the hornet's nest here.....

It really does not matter one area is facing setbacks or is at the moment not going according to plan.
The bigger picture is what counts. the whole picture.

Ukrainians chose to shore up the South fearing the attack.
The lines are breaking for example at Bakhmut, Kiev chose to let them fight to the last man.
Kiev has lost control of it's lines there.
They are beyond the point of retrieval, Russians are just trying to surround the maximum amount of forces they can at this moment.

The front is about 1,300 km  long give or take?.
Kiev can not be everywhere at once, and Russia can come from the North, East and South if they choose to.
What Kiev desperately needs is an Cloning facility, it needs body's to fight its war.
And most of it is worm food at this point.

They picked to defend the South, meaning they can not respond to attacks from the North or East.
Whichever direction Kiev would have chosen to defend, Russia would just have shifted their points of attack.
Meanwhile RF artillery outnumbers Ukrainian 10 to 1. It keeps chewing up Ukrainian hardware and manpower in the meantime.

The NATO arms industry is mostly out of the picture as they can not meet orders and demands.
Soviet surplus had dried up for Kiev.
While RF factory's switched into war production and just keep the new munitions flowing.

In the bigger picture it does not matter an RF unit experiences stiff opposition at a certain point.
They are putting pressure on Kiev to maintain control on that section of frontline. Tying them up so they can not be redeployed.
And material losses are just that. Material, that can be salvaged to be repaired or replaced.
You can not replace troops, if they are heavily injured or killed. That is final.

If the Marines or VDV abort an incursion they have good reason.
If you know anything about their internal culture you would know retreating does not appear in their dictionary.
If an engagement no longer favors your side, you break off the attack if the strategic situation is on your side.
Take back the experience you have of the enemy's situation and devise a new plan.

Time favors the Russian side, Not Kiev.
The Russians can afford to take the time to make incursions and see where it works out or not.

And yes, in War things can go wrong. Sometimes it is just bad luck.
Sometimes you are with your unit at the wrong place at the wrong time.
It is not immediately that the Command are all incompetent.

All that matters here, are the results at the end of this war.
Neutralization of Kiev and it's NATO partners operating in Ukraine.

History is written by the Victors.
Nobody will remember these things after it ends, people only remember the end result.

These RF/LPR/DPR troops are out there 24/7 serving in an open war with NATO where they can die any second.
I am of opinion that these troops should be treated and talked about with respect.

Sometimes there is no choice but to attack from the front. Just the way it is.

Or yes there could be false intelligence, or unexpected enemy manuevers and so on that catch you by surprise.

But if it's taking place on the company level then it's just part and parcel of war. You might as well make a hoo-haa about individual squads retreating or being ambushed

I don't give much credence to these Telegram accounts though. I remember the nonsense these doomers wrote about Pavlovka. And didn't they mention the same couple of officers and put the blame on them there too? Funny that, same 2 officers at fault here as well.
Who is the author of this written account?
Is he a soldier; in which case isn't his perspective on things a little too wide and well-informed?
Is he an officer; in which case isn't he revealing a lot of information about the chain of command and various events that he really shouldn't be?
Is he a war correspondent; in which case who is he, and where is he located?

The usual bull-crap I suspect.

The brainlets just can't stop revealing just how dumb they are

Its not civilians, ROE, or any other softie bullshit that stays the Russian hand when it comes to these outlying fortifications.

They don't demolish these buildings because they need these prime real estate and its imposing sightlines to dominate the area with punishing direct and indirect fire.

Can't do that if the buildings are broken down rubble.

Even Wagner's losses were highest during the assault phase to take these initial toe holds. You stupid motherfuckers are dissing the Russian marines on shit the orchestra itself practices.

Lapin is ok. At belogorovka at least most of the destrfoyed ifvs were bmp-1s.

The 4th kantemirovskaya division was the peak retarded court division, which first abandoned half its tanks in wokring condition in kharkov and sumy and then betrayed Bars 13 and Bars 16 at liman by running away in cowardice, again abandoninjg shit ton of equipment. At least the 155th didnt abandon and they figth well, but the generals are retards that cost the lives of irreplaceable highly motivated and trained volunteers. Its not "just war" . Its кумовство and долбоебизм

It's like the fucking bridge charge where Lapin blew up a company worth of BMP3 trying to attack a crossing at the same point 3 times in a row

And you gave this asshole 300k mobilized? FFS

I can assure you, Lapin was not personally ordering a company of any kind to do anything. It would have been someone way lower down the chain of command ordering any such tactical advances.

And that's really the problem with half these bullshit write-ups with all the accusations and name-calling they do.

Why didn't they flatten the entire area before sending in units for a frontal assault?

To FP

Most of those you mentioned are my compatriots and to be honest - I seriously disagree with them. I am a nationalist and I do not hide it, I respect others, but the Orthodox cross is sacred for me. I won't talk about the others you mentioned, but I think the Serb with the profile name "littlerabbit" is an OK person. And Limb's messages stink worse than farts, while I still think Arkhangelsk is Ukrop. Z !

@Airbornewolf
You're not wrong and Russians indeed have upper hand at the moment.
Still, that doesn't mean that higher officers responsible for **** ups shouldn't get punished. Enough time has passed in the war, that some mistakes are not to be repeated and lessons should be learned.
As with everything in life, nothing is black or white.

Nope not bullcrap

You know, you can find really logical reasons why this happened in the first place - but most will dig their head in the sand, wax strategic picture , and just ignore the reality

Nothing has been fixed since February, giving incompetent generals more manpower is not a solution, but akin to giving a baby a copper fork and uncapping the outlet

Good posts by Airbornwolf and Flaming.

Sometimes Banderastani groupings are finished ie surrounded. Tactically the Russian operation is a success.
Instead of surrendering the Banderastanis try and break out. Of course they are finished off. But sadly there will still be some Russia casualties on occasion.

Depending on the size of the cauldron or surrounding, Russian casualties could vary.
So yes, it can be a case of misfortune.

This is why Russia is as patient as can be. It doesn't wait forever, because GATO will produce new arms for the Nazis and Russia will have to hit GATO itself. But RUssia doesn't need to finish the job overnight because grinding down can be very effective.